Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:26 am
Flavor is modconfirmed not AI?
Are you sure of that?
As in, I do believe that the statement that being aligned with a shepard or lord of calamity *alone* isnt AI , but contrasti g it with other info could lead to results.
Otherwise EGW role would be useless, and all the talk about being aligned with one lord or shepard, or all the heavy flavor/lore summary Adum was making
This is the other half of where the flavor claiming comes from. As a standalone, I don't think the alignment is AI. But, from the people who have flipped and claimed, as well as from my role pm, the aligned with a Shepard vs aligned with a Lord of Calamity seems to tie directly with the
character, and I think we can likely gleam in game alignment from
that. I believe it can be a critical piece.
And I've been waiting on Somi but I don't want to wait before we can get 7 people if this leads to a good reveal or vote today. Maybe that's a misplay to not wait, but the risk is higher if I do. Here's my thoughts on the current claims and theory.
FACT:
In tales of Zestiria, we follow a
hero Shepard in their fight against an
evil Lord of Calamity.
In tales of Berseria, we follow a
hero Lord of Calamity in their fight against
evil Shepards.
THEORY:
I think
this is the crux of the use of this flavor, especially with flavor cop abilities in the game. Look at the flavor for the initial day one, when the game was soley discussing Zestiria:
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:05 pm
In a world where humans who become too emotional, can lose control and turn into demons through only a moment's weakness, war is smoldering on the horizon. People are starving. The land itself is even corrupted in many places.
Tales speak of a Lord of Calamity, one who seeks to destroy all life by making all humanity fall to the corruption of malevolence, and by their corruption turn all Seraphs as well. The Lord seeks to fan the flames of conflict for this purpose, depending on humanity to let itself fall when tested.
But one has arisen to stop this, a Shepherd for humanity and Seraphs alike with the power to purify Hellions and challenge the Lord of Calamity.
The inherent flavor is a Lord making humanity fall to malevolence, and a Shepherd helping us overcome. This makes sense to me as clear alignment, which is why some players assumed. I believe
Zesteria players who are aligned with a Shepherd are likely town, and a Lord are likely scum.
Likewise, as you can learn in the synopsis, Berseria follows the hero Lord of Calamity and Therieon, Velvet. She fights against the Abbey and their Shepherds(top exorcists according to the wiki) evil plans. This also would make sense to me as generally alignment indicative
within their own game. I believe Berseria works the opposite way, and Moody's claim checks out with my own. I believe Heroic (town) characters from
Berseria are the ones aligned with a Lord of Calamity, and evil ones would align with a Shepherd, that game's villains.
So far, only
three claims don't fit that main pattern.
Madge is from two games. There are some characters who live an extremely long time, and as her later game is Zestiria I would see aligned with a Shepherd as likely town. But it is one of the non standard ones.
Santy claims to be from Berseria, but aligned with BOTH a Lord of Calamity (heroic in Berseria) and Shepherd (evil in Berseria). This could be scum, but also would make sense an an independent with my theory.
Wam claims to be from Zestiria, but aligned with a Lord of Calamity (evil in Zestiria). This seems most likely to be scum to me.
Madge's claim of being a miller from the get makes me trust her, and being from both games mean with research we could probably guess her role.
But I cannot find a
Zestiria character who makes sense to be aligned with a Lord of Calamity who isn't evil, and I cannot find a
Berseria character who makes sense as aligned with both (or, to be honest, MOODY's character would make sense as she was trained in the abbey. However, Moody has confirmed he just was aligned with a lord.)
I for sure want a
character claim from
Wam, bc none of my research pulls up a character matching the flavor criteria who makes sense as town. I think Wam claimed assuming there was no harm in listing game/alignment not catching it could be a tell, but if Wam can claim a character that disproves me, who both makes sense to be aligned with a Lord but also that is heroic within the game of Zestiria, we can go from there.
I'd also want a
character claim from
Santygrass as well. Bearing in mind that we could have a multiball or sk situation, this would still fit within my "I can't figure out why I'm reading them both scummily" if they were scum as well. Being aligned with
both a lord and shepherd, I'd believe independent is likely-
but that doesn't rule out sk.