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Yes. Also Mak’s role I think is misleading his interpretation of how Loud is being used this game which is why I asked if I should reveal it. I think it can be saved for tomorrow though.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:25 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:04 pm Nevermind checked op again. They specifically targeted Adum so yeah they had to use an ability on him. Frankly I think they used Doc, even though Adum had a BP.

Normally, I'd be the obvious doctor pick, but since everyone seems terrified the idea of scum me and might just prefer I was sorted, which just... Okay, got any other reasons?

No, I like Thea’s read better that the second result was someone tracking me. And the third Joat is simply not loud, same as wam.

My doc read came from moody being so sure you were town, making me think he saved you.

Moody third Joat who targeted Mak for kill? You heard it here first.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:26 pm Yes. Also Mak’s role I think is misleading his interpretation of how Loud is being used this game which is why I asked if I should reveal it. I think it can be saved for tomorrow though.

I double-checked and my role posts results, and is also considered Loud.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:31 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:26 pm Yes. Also Mak’s role I think is misleading his interpretation of how Loud is being used this game which is why I asked if I should reveal it. I think it can be saved for tomorrow though.

I double-checked and my role posts results, and is also considered Loud.

Mmk. I don’t think the distinction really matters at this point in time until we have more information.

Somi, since you're in thread it may be worthwhile for you to claim.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:28 pm My doc read came from moody being so sure you were town, making me think he saved you.

Interesting. I'll have to think about it more.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:29 pm Moody third Joat who targeted Mak for kill? You heard it here first.

Adum*

@moody, since you are here, why do you prefer Wam over somi?

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:57 am

Santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:17 am

moody7277 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 1:07 am Going to assume Adum, Fred, and Thea are town for the purposes of doing the player post-by-posts.

Do you think Seven reveals Adum as green if scum ?

I think, as Seven pointed out, we were also figuring that Adum was the protected NK (maybe 80% likelyhood or so) which would have led to us thinking of Adum as green so that scum!Seven would see no cost to confirming that given after the initial burst SoD we're not likely to elim Adum

Like surely “we were figuring Adum was protected NK” was TMI that Adum was the target. Yes, Adum had implied he believed he was the save, but the rest of us were unsure at the point until things were clarified more.

Both disappeared as soon as I asked them something. Very annoying.

Anyways, the meta question on no yeets. I was mostly trying to get an idea of people's stated values and compare them with behavior because it was wierd to me. Especially Thea not even mentioning it when I just read a game with them openly endorsing it from the old site.

Cards on the table, I generally consider an extra Yeet a resource that we can use when there's no viable good elim targets but given it's a Madge game I was unsure of balancing choices.

Even so, except for my roll and that I think I'd done a good job at making myself an obvious NK choice, I would've probably suggested it because they both looked like such bad yeets that it was worth rolling the dice for the math being in town's favor. So, for transparency that's my convictions.

But, at least initially I didn't find anything weird, people played approximately like their stated views with Thea correctly pointing out that the nature of a role madness setup changes things.

I did find one weird thing that happened later:

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:07 am No elim is generally bad for town, its only worth doing in certain scenarios where you can have confidence in the number of elims per night and can get a slightly more advantageous town to scum ratio or in games where town has worked out strong PR synergies that are hard for scum to undermine when town is ahead on ratio or night economy tempo. I think now is so not the time to have this meta discussion though we literally need to be focusing on the wagons we are basically out of time

This directly conflicts with trying to convince people to no elim later. But town Mak is more likely to go off half cocked which this directly was whereas scum wam tends to be more methodical.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:22 pm Vote: JC

Dont want to elim JC but id rather not elim if it's not gonna be Bessie or somi at this point, the pile ons are crazy scummy

Majority elim rule affecting power is crazy lol

Funny, I kinda think tieing the votes for a no elim is pretty scummy.

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:30 pm Some stuff happened and uh, I dont think Im in the right headspace to play mafia.

Im sorry if wrong. JC also Im okay as elim option but just prefer Wam

Take care

moody7277 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:49 pm Underlined because I have been convinced wam is today's best play, but Mak

This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:51 pm More specifically my PM says that loud people have their targets, night results, or other information published in the game thread

Wait wtf what the hell is publishing cop then

Results too? But Seven's Loud only published the action, not the result...

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:31 pm I double-checked and my role posts results, and is also considered Loud.

... What does "loud" even mean in this game?

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:34 pm Somi, since you're in thread it may be worthwhile for you to claim.

Yeah, yeah, just been catching up with that

I'm a Role Cop, each night I can learn someone's role (but not their alignment). N1 I targeted Mak because I didn't catch his crumb

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:29 pm Moody third Joat who targeted Mak for kill? You heard it here first.

I was about to get my popcorn out for this one!

I'm a Role Cop, each night I can learn someone's role (but not their alignment). N1 I targeted Mak because I didn't catch his crumb

I knew you were role cop which is why I included it in the known/anticipated role list. I don’t believe you though on why you targeted Mak. What is his role?

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:49 pm This directly conflicts with trying to convince people to no elim later. But town Mak is more likely to go off half cocked which this directly was whereas scum wam tends to be more methodical.

Meant scum Mak

@Somi please say Mak’s role as soon as possible.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:51 pm

I'm a Role Cop, each night I can learn someone's role (but not their alignment). N1 I targeted Mak because I didn't catch his crumb

I knew you were role cop which is why I included it in the known/anticipated role list. I don’t believe you though on why you targeted Mak. What is his role?

Motivating Loudener, but also how did you know my role?

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:46 pm @moody, since you are here, why do you prefer Wam over somi?

wam I had as slightly scummy due to his thinking the beef between bessie and Seven end of D1 was TvS and scumreading bessie due to it. Their fights have become so classic, they're NAI at this point, and I think wam was trying to get rid of an influential player. Also thinking his questioning activity early on might have been demonstrative as per someone's theory about it.

somi's been more neutral to me, nothing particular sticks out as scummy enough to prefer him over wam or definitely Mak, or even JC really.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:52 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:49 pm This directly conflicts with trying to convince people to no elim later. But town Mak is more likely to go off half cocked which this directly was whereas scum wam tends to be more methodical.

Meant scum Mak

I was about to ask.

Fascinating. Somi and bessie are both mafia. Somi crumbed bessie’s role before bessie crumbed it herself. Somi was setting up a safe claim to say that he role copped bessie.

Targeting Mak doesn’t make any sense since he said at end of D1 that he crumbed it.

(Alternatively somi and Mak are both mafia and he actually role copped bessie. One or the other or both)

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:59 pm Fascinating. Somi and bessie are both mafia. Somi crumbed bessie’s role before bessie crumbed it herself. Somi was setting up a safe claim to say that he role copped bessie.

Targeting Mak doesn’t make any sense since he said at end of D1 that he crumbed it.

Fascinating theory, where do you think I did that?