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ahippo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:42 pm I will point you to the fact that I explicitly did NOT ask for role. I simply asked "Do you have a power?"

Why Moody? Honest answer, when he voted for me, I just found it very endearing and wanted to ask someone I thought would answer. Vibes are all I've got right now.

Why do I care if Moody has a power? I can double a person's use of that power, once per night, only twice in the game, and on separate nights. Realizing now that if I do pick Moody, then that's an extra target on him, so ... yeah, it's useless if my target dies.

I'd probably just be better off using a random number generator to pick my target. I trust blind statistics more than my own intuition at this point.

alright I think this is locktown, only way it isnt is if adum included a disloyal supporter/motivator in the setup and frankly I dont think adum has much experience at all with loya/disloyal modifiers so I highly doubt this is a fake claim. I also doubt it is a claim from a scumslot that actually had a motivating power because Im assuming scum have day chat and theres no way the scumteam would allow a mate with that power, especially if it can double scum abilities, to claim it and thus allow the town to start directing it or scrutinizing the slot's picks. Like if hes a scum motivator that can double his mates abilities thats a busted ass role, hence why I think the only way it makes it to a scum side role in one of adums games is with a disloyal modifier or MAYBE a weak modifer, but I dont think adum is familiar with the former and wouldnt go for the latter especially if the game has redirects outside of the scum faction that would hypothetically have control of this motivator power

So ahippp, I had your role in the last game we played here. Given you have a limited number of shots, my normal advice would be to keep a low profile and focus on surviving as long as possible to wait for a big info generating PR claim that you think is legitimate and then buff that player and see what happens. Your power is very weak early game but becomes very powerful in the late game. Unfortunately, because of your premature claim, unless scum sniff out someone else that they think is trying to conceal that they are a strong PR, you are very likely to get night killed now. If there are protectives out there it could cause scum to have to try to outguess them on the yomi 1 play of NKing the only claimed PR

Depending on if adum is using NAR or not, you should be able to atleast get one use of your ability off tonight because generally NKs resolve last in the order. You should use your power on whoever you townread the strongest, but you should not announce or telegraph who that is

Randomimg your choice is generally fine this early in the game because this game is likely to be 12v3, 11v4 (if town is loaded up with strong PRs) or 11v2v2 (multiball is always possible in bigger games) so statistically you are more likely to hit a town role to double than a scum role with a random shot, so if you dont feel confident in your reads this isnt the worst option and it roughly trends town +EV

I guess it could also be 11v3v1 with a strong indy, idk the story of this particular tales game to be able to make a good guess as to the setup in this regard but tales games do tend to have some complexity in terms of who the baddies are

I feel confident in nothing. Rando wheel go brr.

If I die, I die. I don't think I'm essential at all. That will stop none of the powers that actually reveal, eliminate, or prevent scum activity.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:42 pm

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:49 pm

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:54 am Checking in later than I expected, but I have to say it was a pretty good read. The whole handshake thing was fishy, but the replies after are what stand out to me.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you go into more detail please? Ideally with people's names so I know who you are talking about.

I thought it was pretty obvious I was talking about Bop and ahippo in regards to the handshake, as far as the replies after I'm talking about everyone else's reaction to not only the situation, but the conversation and explanation in regards to the two of them using the same wording.

Yeah you're right, that should have been obvious. I didn't remember it as "the handshake thing" since that's not the part I was focused on. What do you make of the reactions specifically? Did you tease out anything that you think is alignment indicative?

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:45 pm @Boom Do you think Fred will post anything that will help town on day 1, and if you do... what makes you think so?

Just posting any legit content would help town at least get a read on their slot. So yes, I expect them to actually play the game D1. Is there a reason I shouldn't?

Leaning toward agreement with Mak on his opinion of ahippo being town. Also ahippo claiming this early is a point in favor of bessie's theory of claiming unless absolutely necessary being evil.

Cynical View gives a thumbs up to JC for his level of suspicion re Bop and ahippo's wording matching.

My setup spec is that with 15 players, 3p is virtually guaranteed. 10-4-1 would be the minimal theory for that. 9-3-1-1-1 would be a very zesty game, and likely the maximum in the other direction. Whether any of the 3p are town compatible is something of a lesser priority than eliming scum.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:11 pm @Boomfrog: could you please elaborate your read on LaserGuy? And also bessie if you are willing.

I'll elaborate on LG after he gets a chance to make another significant post. I considered postponing posting my list at all just to avoid this inevitable followup question, but decided not to overthink it.

As for Bessie, the moody-Bessie clump is very neutral, but on further introspection I feel very slightly townie on wam, moody and madge just from vibes. When I made the list I was thinking of moody and wam as the neutral line, but I'm moving it down to Bessie. Bessie's style is too consistent for me to get reliable vibes from her.

Sabrar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:22 am

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:39 pm Hippo, how did bop know that you interpreted the RVS vote on you as a handshake/high five before you posted to say thats how you interpreted it

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:23 pm The order of those posts feels TMI hmmmmm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:02 am Thats like..... a pretty specific vibe to just "get"

Like almost a verbatim match

I can imagine the scenario where scumbuddies talk about how to perceive a particular vote on one of them. I cannot imagine the scenario where after one of them assured the other that it was just a friendly handshake and nothing to worry about, scum would feel the need to jump in and 'defend' their buddy, deliberately using the same phrase.
Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence and Makhaira's focus on this detail feels out of place.

I actually got a less scummy vibe from his posts. Makhaira's focus on these types of details is like what he does every town game.

Bessie wrote:Instead of trying to be clever by alluding to your role and/or alignment with a cleverly chosen profile pic when 13 of us are flavor blind anyway, how about giving us your thoughts on the game so far?

If this is true, I would lean freddino towards less scummy

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:50 pm

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:05 am Going back to boomfrog's vote, It feels really weird for boomfrog to be so vocal so early about a serious read. >:/

Why is that?

If memory serves, At least in games I played with you, you haven't given reads in early stages of D1

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:15 pm Claiming your own role early in the game isn't necessarily alignment indicative (personally, I tend to consider unprompted claims to be much more likely Town than not)

In that case, I have a PR!

Setup spec, 14 players with one "player" secretly being an additional moderator with no win condition and with 2-shot mod kills, can't both be used against the same faction twice. 9-3-2, town mafia mafia.

Since everyone is scum until proven innocent, here is my reads list:

Not scum
NA

Secret Mod
Madge

Scum (least to most)
heuristically_alone
ahippo
Freddino
Makhaira
Bessie
TehBubblez
Sabrar
Laserguy
Wam
Bop
Moody7277
JC_DADDY25
EGW
Boomfrog

Heury having EGW being bottom two solely based off him saying he's distracted by IRL and will catch up later is eye poppingly weird.

I still haven't forgiven EGW for having me yeeted on mafia universe a couple years ago when they were scum.

why wont anyone join me on why me fry me ;_;

Im not joking its a decent tell, not gonna tunnel bubblez here but I think it warrants some pressure

I want to buddy EGW and blind town read him so bad but his complete non-presence has me worried, I will give the benefit of the doubt tho re: being busy irl def have to give the man a chance

I like heury here tho I have a pretty bad track record on reading heury so take it with a grain of salt but I didn't get pocket vibes from his take on me and it actually comes off like he's processing my content which doesn't feel informed

random side note how did we not get santy to join this game I feel like they wouldve been a perfect addition if we have to lose adum and seven to modding

@sab @boom @laser

do you think scum!bessie is less likely to want to antagonize me (not saying unjustifiably) relative to town!bessie out of fear of possible tunnel from me given my history of kind of naturally scumreading her slot?

Daily bark!

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:54 am Checking in later than I expected, but I have to say it was a pretty good read. The whole handshake thing was fishy, but the replies after are what stand out to me.

May we have some examples of replies that stood out to you, along with your reasons why?

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:05 am Going back to boomfrog's vote, It feels really weird for boomfrog to be so vocal so early about a serious read. >:/

Disagree. But too busy to find an example right now.

madge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:40 am @Bessie have I ever made a good read, myself? an actual read, not like, mechanics analysis. I don't recall it ever happening, but you somehow have a photographic memory of 10+ years of mafia stuff (I'm another who started on xkcdia in 2012, hi)

Unfortunately, my mafia memory is not what it was in my puppy years, but I think you like hiding behind yourself and anyone else’s negative opinion of your abilities. You are a much better player than you claim.

Wam wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:10 am Having been caught by you on a.confirmation post many many years ago they are always boring to make sure they are NAI.

You have the super notes when did I last not do "Confirm"? (As I can't remember)

Which is exactly why your confirmation posts are suspicious, you make a conscious effort not to draw my attention. But “suspicious” is my default read for everyone, so really you are exactly on the bessie normal line.

Bop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:03 pm

bessie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:23 am Oh boy, Adum gave us a confirmation phase! He must be super impressed by my renowned confirmation post analysis.

Oh, this rules. Can't wait to see how accurate this is on a re-read.

It used to work great and I’ve caught scum in the past based on their conformation post! But now I have most players reluctant to post anything other than “confirm”! Which is also suspicious!

Bop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:03 pm

ahippo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:10 am Hey Moody, do you have a night action? No need to specify faction or power. Simply, yes or no.

God I'm never a fan of the "magician setting up the trick" genre of post. Always uneasy bc it's inherently based on information we don't have.

I agree with this.

ahippo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:20 pm Y'all seem to know each other's styles much better than I.

What would you like to know? I would be happy to answer any questions.

ahippo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:02 pm Honestly, I'm doing a lot of catchup on what the vibes are like. I really don't like being cagey and dodging direct questions. Is it suspicious to claim a role D1? Is it considered, like, rude? Or bad play? I mean if it is bad play, I could just own up to being a bad player.

I am very against claiming anything without a good reason.

ahippo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:42 pm Why do I care if Moody has a power? I can double a person's use of that power, once per night, only twice in the game, and on separate nights. Realizing now that if I do pick Moody, then that's an extra target on him, so ... yeah, it's useless if my target dies.

Annnnnnd goshfrickingdarnit see my previous response.

Leaving my vote where it is for now as a matter of principle.

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:45 pm @Boom Do you think Fred will post anything that will help town on day 1, and if you do... what makes you think so?

Why did you ask Boom? Why not me? Wouldn’t you like to know my opinion?

boomfrog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:47 am Just posting any legit content would help town at least get a read on their slot. So yes, I expect them to actually play the game D1. Is there a reason I shouldn't?

I think if you read the Halloween game game you will see where JC is coming from with this question. If you want to take a shortcut, sort by author and read just Fred and perhaps me (where I am addressing Fred).

@Fred, I am determined to make you in to a great mafia player! Do you have any opinions of the game content thus far?

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:59 am Setup spec, 14 players with one "player" secretly being an additional moderator with no win condition and with 2-shot mod kills, can't both be used against the same faction twice. 9-3-2, town mafia mafia.

Beautiful.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 am @sab @boom @laser

do you think scum!bessie is less likely to want to antagonize me (not saying unjustifiably) relative to town!bessie out of fear of possible tunnel from me given my history of kind of naturally scumreading her slot?

Interesting, and I am very interested in this and looking forward to the replies!

big game folks chop chop get to voting deadline is sunday and its harder to get away with last minute scrambles in bigger games, harder to hit a majority quorum and there is a real risk of us no eliming as a result which is NOT the play

for any one new or out of practice, you can change your vote as many times as you want in a day phase, it's not locked in unless your role gives you a voting restriction, just to make that absolutely clear. Votes only become locked when a clear majority vote is reached which is 8 votes on a single slot here

though in the daystart post the mod didn't post the majority threshold so that conspicuous absence makes me think there is a role or roles out there that can affect that threshold. we should still always assume the base threshold is in play though generally speaking

bessie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:17 am

ahippo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:02 pm Honestly, I'm doing a lot of catchup on what the vibes are like. I really don't like being cagey and dodging direct questions. Is it suspicious to claim a role D1? Is it considered, like, rude? Or bad play? I mean if it is bad play, I could just own up to being a bad player.

I am very against claiming anything without a good reason

Dumb, earnest townie is easier for me than sly, manipulative townie. Maybe it's an "embodied cognition" thing, but at least now there's no point in being coy. Consider that my best reason, even if you don't think it's good enough.

I guess this could be directed toward Boom and Bessie in regards to how I feel about people's responses to Bop and ahippo's handshake thing...

Nothing stands out at the moment that I would consider to be AI, but as the game goes on and we learn more it is going to be a good thing to look back on. Who was suspicious about it, who agreed that it was just vibes, or claimed to have felt the same way about it being a handshake -- going to the extent of also referring to it with the same wording.

Bessie is right about how I feel in regards to Fred, and directed you to an appropriate game to understand why I asked.

Oh, and Bessie, I only asked Boom about it because he made it a point to ask for Fred to post something that could help town. I feel like Fred tries to avoid people's radar in the first few days and tries to be different in general. It attracts attention, but also makes people forget about him at the same time. If that makes any sense.

boomfrog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:53 amI'll elaborate on LG after he gets a chance to make another significant post. I considered postponing posting my list at all just to avoid this inevitable followup question, but decided not to overthink it.

Yeah, but now your content will contaminate his, especially if he's scum. Okay, we'll get back to this later.

boomfrog wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:53 amBessie's style is too consistent for me to get reliable vibes from her.

Agreed.

Makhaira wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 am @sab @boom @laser

do you think scum!bessie is less likely to want to antagonize me (not saying unjustifiably) relative to town!bessie out of fear of possible tunnel from me given my history of kind of naturally scumreading her slot?

I think not. If you're already naturally scumreading her then it doesn't really matter what she does, plus her playstyle provides a good cover for such clashes.

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:02 pm Not helping town:
11. Freddino
12. JC

Freddino and JC please post more so we can get a read on you or you will get the default vote by the end of the day.

Work is beating my ass, expect heavy content Fridays through Sundays, with catchup posts Mondays through Thursdays (today being the end of my Wednesday)

Ok, per Bessie's question, I do think there's merit in the multiball theory. In my role PM, it says "You are not aligned with a(n) [X]. You are aligned with a(n) [Y].
This is entirely separate to the section with my role and alignment. Weirdly, one is capitalized as a proper noun, and the other is not.

I'm pretty sure this violates rule 5, please don't do that.

On another note I was just informed that a colleague passed away due to a sudden illness. I'll be back later, maybe this evening, maybe tomorrow.

vote huery

Like what even is thay egw at bottom of the list and the even vaguer

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:39 am I still haven't forgiven EGW for having me yeeted on mafia universe a couple years ago when they were scum.

Other thoughts

I think, hippo and mak are town.

Not really sorted anyone else yet.

ahippo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:42 pm I will point you to the fact that I explicitly did NOT ask for role. I simply asked "Do you have a power?"

Why Moody? Honest answer, when he voted for me, I just found it very endearing and wanted to ask someone I thought would answer. Vibes are all I've got right now.

Why do I care if Moody has a power? I can double a person's use of that power, once per night, only twice in the game, and on separate nights. Realizing now that if I do pick Moody, then that's an extra target on him, so ... yeah, it's useless if my target dies.

I'd probably just be better off using a random number generator to pick my target. I trust blind statistics more than my own intuition at this point.

I guess I believe this and likely means you're Town. Your power is pretty strong though and as I suggested above, open claiming like this probably just puts a target on your back for the night kill (or helps scum narrow the search for better targets). I wouldn't bother even hinting at who you might target... it will be obvious down the line.

madge wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:40 am Yes, bessie, you'd suffocate.

Work was mad today, I really should have stayed as a replacement. Right now I have two employees and on Monday I'll have three. I've got to set a good example by not being on the forum!!!

I'll do a proper post tomorrow, unless I don't. D1 is so performative and I'm pretty convinced that any ability to read this is well beyond me.

@Bessie have I ever made a good read, myself? an actual read, not like, mechanics analysis. I don't recall it ever happening, but you somehow have a photographic memory of 10+ years of mafia stuff (I'm another who started on xkcdia in 2012, hi)

Hmm... I think madge is Town.

boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:02 pm Vote LaserGuy

This seems reasonable based on the content I've posted so far. I said I was going to be low effort this game so I accept I'll be hard to sort.

I think you probably would have found this vote as either alignment so I don't think it helps much in me sorting you, unfortunately, but overall I like where your head is at so far.