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AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:07 pm I think Wam legitimately just figured this out. Which suggests he's not aligned with the killer/isn't the killer.

However, I don't think it makes sense for town-Wam to not put basically any consideration or seem to even react to the details of his claim seeming to not match up with what he learned from his role, especially since I already discounted lightning rod and said I didn't have any role knowledge about misdirection, so not a psychic or the like. Even with that strong a day play based townread.

I think the best explanation is otherscum wam, whether Indy or in multiball, the team that I don't think tried to kill me.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:53 pm Fyi my working assumption was joat 2 (not seven) doctored and mafia.have a ninja. Hence not worrying about your role too much.

I think you predicted my thought process, but I also don't think that really that explains why I was convinced I was the target given I previously claimed lack of role knowledge on misdirection implying I'm not a psychic or the like and not having a lightning rod effect.

I think either you should've figured that out or it should've pinged your scum sensors. Or at the very least if you had that strong of a dayplay townread on me, you should've spent significant effort before trying to figure it out so you could at least know what I know without making it public.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:00 pm Tbh I think it's POE run through the list and it should.be OK.

If its mutliball and 2/2/7 we have 2 mis elims after me

If its not and us 3/8 we have 2 mis elims after me plus a NL at mylo.

I think myntown core earlier is solid which means scumust be in

JC
Bessies
Somi
Moody
Santy

So either 3/5 or 4/5 so hit everyone on the list we win.

@mak

I have left in my JOAT tool box

Cop (was saving for closer to endgame)
Roleblocker
Parrot - weird one I'm not going to explain as it's more useful that way
Doc (was saving for closer to endgame)

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:51 pm Wait wtf what the hell is publishing cop then

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:51 pm More specifically my PM says that loud people have their targets, night results, or other information published in the game thread

Wait wtf what the hell is publishing cop then

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:48 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:07 pm I think Wam legitimately just figured this out. Which suggests he's not aligned with the killer/isn't the killer.

However, I don't think it makes sense for town-Wam to not put basically any consideration or seem to even react to the details of his claim seeming to not match up with what he learned from his role, especially since I already discounted lightning rod and said I didn't have any role knowledge about misdirection, so not a psychic or the like. Even with that strong a day play based townread.

I think the best explanation is otherscum wam, whether Indy or in multiball, the team that I don't think tried to kill me.

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:53 pm Fyi my working assumption was joat 2 (not seven) doctored and mafia.have a ninja. Hence not worrying about your role too much.

I think you predicted my thought process, but I also don't think that really that explains why I was convinced I was the target given I previously claimed lack of role knowledge on misdirection implying I'm not a psychic or the like and not having a lightning rod effect.

I think either you should've figured that out or it should've pinged your scum sensors. Or at the very least if you had that strong of a dayplay townread on me, you should've spent significant effort before trying to figure it out so you could at least know what I know without making it public.

I am genuinely baffled that you made this post and are still voting Wam.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:58 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:51 pm Wait wtf what the hell is publishing cop then

I think that is a very good question and very important question.

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:05 pm I'm guessing here publishing puts the result.in thread loud puts the action in thread.

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:58 pm

Wam wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:00 pm Tbh I think it's POE run through the list and it should.be OK.

If its mutliball and 2/2/7 we have 2 mis elims after me

If its not and us 3/8 we have 2 mis elims after me plus a NL at mylo.

I think myntown core earlier is solid which means scumust be in

JC
Bessies
Somi
Moody
Santy

So either 3/5 or 4/5 so hit everyone on the list we win.

@mak

I have left in my JOAT tool box

Cop (was saving for closer to endgame)
Roleblocker
Parrot - weird one I'm not going to explain as it's more useful that way
Doc (was saving for closer to endgame)

Oh, I didn't see this before. Very interesting. This is a very powerful JoaT. Are any of these powers Loud? Or have other modifiers of note?

@Seven: Without revealing anything specific on your role, how would you judge the strength of your abilities compared to Wam? Similar? Weaker? Stronger?

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:15 pm "Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

[Adum] is [non-Town]"

This is directly from SOD2 post.

Seven is claiming to be the JOAT cop that targeted adum. What is posted in the first two lines seems to fit that claim.

The "adum is non town" things seems to be different. As far as I am aware, Wam is claiming to not have copped anyone N1, just that he used this watcher/observer power. So the 2nd copping seems to be coming from someone who is unclaimed. Which makes me think it's a scum ability trying to frame adum

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:41 pm @Thea Wam’s is stronger

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:07 pm I think wam claiming he DOESNT have a loud modifier actually cuts against the slot here, it would give an anti town roles much more freedom to fake claim for balance purposes, even if it does stick out a bit conspicuously with so many claimed roles have the loud modifier

Adum may be on to something that Wam may have felt the need to explain away the public op result not understanding that "loud" in this game means "publishing" in the traditional sense. Publishing in this context seems redundant and either made up because of the discrepancy in use of these terms in this game from standard definitions due to Wam being uninformed about how loud works in this game, or it could be something else entirely. I have a hunch that it could an anti town roles that is like a super framer/tailor, basically a mafia cop that can pick any slot and then have the mod publishing results of the "publishing cop's" choosing, allowing the scum to publish fake investigations with their chosen result into the game thread to really create substantial disinformation

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:32 pm

Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:15 pm "Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

[Adum] is [non-Town]"

This is directly from SOD2 post.

Seven is claiming to be the JOAT cop that targeted adum. What is posted in the first two lines seems to fit that claim.

The "adum is non town" things seems to be different. As far as I am aware, Wam is claiming to not have copped anyone N1, just that he used this watcher/observer power. So the 2nd copping seems to be coming from someone who is unclaimed. Which makes me think it's a scum ability trying to frame adum

Seven is saying that the second result is not directly tied to his role; either someone tracked him or it is a third JoaT.
Wam is saying that two different JoaTs (actually three, including him) all targeted Adum.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:20 pm

Freddino18 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:20 pm

Weigh in on the no elim question? ^_^