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Anyway, as I said before, I really prefer Wam, but I'm willing to switch to Somi to secure an elim if absolutely necessary.

Votals:
Wam - 5 - Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody, somi
JC - 2 - Fred, Makhaira
somi - 3 - Thea, Seven, wam
Santy - 1 - JC

11 players alive and 7 to hammer

Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:36 pm mods can you confirm it is 7 to hammer anyone?

If it applied to only a subset of the players, it would have been indicated in some fashion.

I’m not ignoring you Adum, you guys posted a lot while I was asleep and I’m on mobile. I’m not quite sure what you’re asking me, I’m Loud JOAT.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:22 pm I’m not ignoring you Adum, you guys posted a lot while I was asleep and I’m on mobile. I’m not quite sure what you’re asking me, I’m Loud JOAT.

I'm asking you whether your role name in your role PM is explicitly "loud Jack of all trades" or not. The wording might be crucial and I want to figure it out before phase end.

Also I would really like to know why JC and why you're doubting Wam-scum now.

It’s something of that sort. Going further would be using metadata imo which I’m not comfortable with.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:30 pm It’s something of that sort. Going further would be using metadata imo which I’m not comfortable with.

Given that we have at least one role that gives the entire game specific rolenames, I fundamentally disagree with that assertion.

That it's using metadata I mean.

Also, you think you could answer my other two questions. Specifically:

1. Are you no longer convinced of Wam's guilt? Why move specifically to JC?

2. Why didn't you propose no elim yesterDay?

And to add to 1, if so why are you no longer convinced of Wam's guilt?

I agree with Thea’s conclusion that wam wouldn’t have watched you if he’s on a team that did the night kill. I voted JC because Thea voted JC.

No Elim D1 is not something that crossed my mind to do in a closed setup.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:52 pm I agree with Thea’s conclusion that wam wouldn’t have watched you if he’s on a team that did the night kill. I voted JC because Thea voted JC.

I agree, but I think he's scummy on play, both previously and play around my slot in retrospect after the claim.

That's why I had him as other-scum (probably multi-bwll) who also would have an incentive to watch the most likely NK target, both to get information on who killed me if I die and for potential protectives.

There's also a gambiting possibility, speaking of which....

Vote: Somitomi

better than JC for sure

I understand a bunch of yall scumread wam on play but I just don't see it and I think no elim here is better than a miselim here, the wam wagon just rubs me all the wrong ways and if wams claim is true he has shit we can hold him accountable for to atleast generate some more investigative info. I just dont think it's a prudent yeet at all

Ill be back in about an hour on my lunch break

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:43 pm

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:37 pm What does that mean/imply JC?

Sorry, phone posting...

Wam actually name dropped the Publishing Cop, there is no way he would know the actual name of a role if he was making up his action.

This is a smart point and gives JC town points JC should not be the Elim toDay, that said, I'm gonna reference this post.

However, look at this:

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:30 pm It’s something of that sort. Going further would be using metadata imo which I’m not comfortable with.

I think Seven knows what I'm getting at and is gonna refuse to answer further but not much more time in the day.

"Loud" doesn't actually mean "gets posted to everyone by the mod". "Loud" means "the target knows who targeted them".

"Publishing" is the actual modifier that means "everyone gets told about their actions".

I think this makes it makes gambiting about it more possible because a smart player could either already know that "publishing" is the actual modifier for what happened and hope people not realizing it helped the claim or research it on mafiascum's wiki like I did, because it reads like into we don't know but we actually do know it.

Based on Seven's reaction, I think Seven is a "publishing" Jack of all trades. Or their role description says publishing, or the like.

I don't think every rolename conveys mechanics, but this provides a plausible alternative explanation for how he knew "publishing cop" if it was a fakeclaim and me and Santy discussed suggesting a third JOAT based on public actions.

Also I think I got everyone's answers, except moody's who took a stance that basically says his answer, so I'm gonna review and give thoughts shortly.

Along with a few other things I wanna say before day end.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:21 pmI think this makes it makes gambiting about it more possible because a smart player could either already know that "publishing" is the actual modifier for what happened and hope people not realizing it helped the claim or research it on mafiascum's wiki like I did, because it reads like into we don't know but we actually do know it.

Supposed to be "info" not "into".

I've been phone posting this entire game btw, maybe at my computer once. Most of last Halloween too actually.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:21 pm "Loud" doesn't actually mean "gets posted to everyone by the mod". "Loud" means "the target knows who targeted them".

My power is "loud" and says that it will be announced in thread.

I a have an ability with a loud modifier. And it says specifically that my action / target is posted on thread

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:45 pm For the record, the specifics of role names are arbitrary:

madge wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:50 am As usual with Halloween games, standard rolenames are used for convenience, however exact details of the roles might differ from what players could have encountered in the past.

@Adum

I think the Joat claim from Wam is real. There are certainly truth aspects in it.

I think is still plausible for the watcher action to be fake / half truth. Or that Adum wasnt targeted by a nk. Or multiball.

In that order of belief.

JC reaction was towny. And uhm . I dont want to talk about Mak

Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:34 pm I a have an ability with a loud modifier. And it says specifically that my action / target is posted on thread

Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:32 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:21 pm "Loud" doesn't actually mean "gets posted to everyone by the mod". "Loud" means "the target knows who targeted them".

My power is "loud" and says that it will be announced in thread.

Well f*** me gently with a chainsaw, I really thought I saw through Wam's magnificent plan. I guess it's still possible they summized that was the modifier because it's what the modifier means and took a risk but eh, if loud routinely means "publishing" in this game I find it unlikely he's right in the game unless he's on a team with the cop or has some other role info.

This is not an invite for the cop to CC him if the name is wrong.

Seven wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:37 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:45 pm For the record, the specifics of role names are arbitrary:

madge wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 10:50 am As usual with Halloween games, standard rolenames are used for convenience, however exact details of the roles might differ from what players could have encountered in the past.

@Adum

I think "arbitrary" is the wrong word, but variations exist and potentially rolenames that give no insight into what they do.

You were the only claimed "loud" at the time, which is why I asked you.

I mean, its the cop who has their results modified. I dont think is unlikely that scum could be either able to manipulate them/know it, or just be teamed with them