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Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:51 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:50 pm Hey @Somi, where's your head at now? Particularly what's your read on people now?

Running on a suboptimal amount of sleep, unfortunately. I'll have some time tomorrow morning to consolidate this

I'm fairly sure they're town
Adum
EGW
Gluelock
LaserGuy
bessie
Makhaira
JC
Heury
Seven
I'm fairly suspicious

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:38 am With regard to the Trisscar reasoning, I mentioned yesterday that I disagreed and that Fred was likely to sub out as a wolf. Fred had a hard time wolfing in millirizer mafia. Didn't enjoy it as much as town so he had a good chance of being a RWSTFO. I don't think anyone who read Millerizer should have thought his sub out increased his odds of being town. This is a negative point for heury too.

That read was based on what Fred said as they were subbing out not just the fact that he did though. I'm not sure how strong that is, but I can see that a

bessie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:56 am This is for somitomi only. Describe in your own words my link with heury. Since it is so obvious to you, it should be easy for you to make a case.

Oooh, extra special homework just for me, me, me!
Perhaps the word "obvious" was a stretch, it only clicked today when Seven mentioned that you two look like masons, but it's just an amalgamation of little things: you were both townreading each other on D1 a bit oddly (Heury gave a townread pretty early whereas you put him on the woofmost place with a rather nulltown reasoning), Heury came to your defense pretty strongly when he though LG was scumreading you and he also followed you onto the Seven wagon without ever expressing much suspicion about him before that.
I don't yet know how to interpret this all, but I do think something is going on between you two.

bessie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:56 am
AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:55 pm Also @Seven has claimed but still hasn't confirmed who they neighborized last night.
Perhaps because HE’S LYING???

Why would Seven lie about something that's so easy to get caught on?

@Seven: I'd also like to know who you targeted last night

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm**

Mak is solid scum. Scum be doin that thing where they talk about what theyd be doin instead of doin it. Yall be simpin tho

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:58 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:48 pm System.out.println("

madge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:36 pm
Votals:
Seven - 1 - Bessie
Makhaira - 1 - Seven
Heury - 1 - Laserguy
Laserguy - 1 - EGW

With 11 players alive, it's 6 to vote off.

In case of a tie at the end of the day, the player who reached the tied votals first will be voted off.

Night 2 will start at in about 1 days, 5.5 hours.
Seven moved their vote to laserguy.");

Post edited accordingly

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:00 pm**

somi wrote:town so he had a good chance of being a

@George whats that term that represents a scum tell of when scum is heavily editing their post and so end up accidentally cutting things off?

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:01 pm**

Somi’s read list is very suss. He always puts me as the bottom when hes scum. And puts people ive pushed also on the bottom. Inconsistent world view of scum who just need to push someone

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:20 pm**

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Seven wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm Mak is solid scum. Scum be doin that thing where they talk about what theyd be doin instead of doin it. Yall be simpin tho

In the process of reading the game you sent me but, even though it's been a while, my experiences with Mak as scum is that they've never purposefully went inactive as scum. RL Johns are NAI, but I can't deny that not having anything from him at a lot of gamestates doesn't endear me to his slot. However what he did with Zeniba was a towntell and they're definitely lower on the priority list than some other slots as a result.

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Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:49 pm**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:20 pm System.out.println("

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm Mak is solid scum. Scum be doin that thing where they talk about what theyd be doin instead of doin it. Yall be simpin tho
In the process of reading the game you sent me but, even though it's been a while, my experiences with Mak as scum is that they've never purposefully went inactive as scum. RL Johns are NAI, but I can't deny that not having anything from him at a lot of gamestates doesn't endear me to his slot. However what he did with Zeniba was a towntell and they're definitely lower on the priority list than some other slots as a result.

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It's not about inactivity, it's about saying stuff like this:

Makhaira wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:09 am all the vote movement at EOD tho is gonna be good data given likely multiball and multiple TMI groups

He's talking about how data exists, rather than the data itself. Yes, the business is keeping him from talking about the data, but it's a classic scum tell to say meaningless things like "there's data hereabouts we should look at that data".

Posted: **Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:58 pm**

FoS somi for not having me on his T->S list

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:02 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:00 pm
somi wrote:town so he had a good chance of being a
@George whats that term that represents a scum tell of when scum is heavily editing their post and so end up accidentally cutting things off?

Found it, SHROOP: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/SHROOP

It's not about little typos or quote errors but things like half a paragraph missing

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:05 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:00 pm@George whats that term that represents a scum tell of when scum is heavily editing their post and so end up accidentally cutting things off?

You got it. I hate the tell but I can't argue against it's results the two times I have seen it used. However, the reason why I pushed against it is that I also shrooped as town in the same game where the mafia user was pushed with the tell.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:08 am**

Anyway, the point of the tell is that the scum player would normally have a hard time coming up with something to say relating to their own partner. Then, they'll delete what they have as no good, but they have so much else to say that they might forget. So you have to think about why Somi shrooped.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:32 am**

I'm not very good at explaining how I'm feeling – probably suck at the game overall – but this is where I'm at right now:

EGW - Constantly posting stuff that I get bad vibes over. Not sure why but this is my strongest wolf read.

Seven - Aside from trying to get me lynched last day phase, I feel like Seven has been jumping around throwing shit against the wall seeing what sticks. That's not necessarily wolfie, but add in the link to a previous specific game to show how they feel about a subject they're being accused of seems preplanned and easily faked, so this feels like the right spot.

heury - One of Seven's little accusations is that heury is human, not that they were scum but specifically human. As much as I distrust Seven, if we are dealing with 2 mafias I can see Seven either being a scum cop or having access to one, and trying to use that info to lynch a rival scum team member.

Makhaira - This one I'm not too sure on, because I wasn't thinking about it at first but went back to read the post on Zeniba that Laserguy pointed out and I see the point being made. So this slot is a scum lean for me.

Moody - I'm not leaning one way or another here.

Somitomi - Same here, nothing is standing out to me here so Moody and Somitomi can flip flop here as I don't have a read on them.

LaserGuy - A slight town lean here, because I don't get bad vibes here.

Bessie - Feel like the points people are pointing out don't stick well, and that along with the posts makes me lean town here.

Gluelock - getting town vibes from him, haven't read anything that makes me second guess that.

Adum - his posts just hit right, and is actively solving. Strongest town vibes from this slot.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:40 am**

System.out.println("

SHROOP? That genuinely seems like the stupidest tell I've ever seen. Everyone should be revising posts constantly because they're double checking their information and making sure their thought process holds up. Hell I revised this post to put SHROOP in with a question mark ahead of it because I wanted to make sure it was obvious I was tackling two different subjects.

With people who rarely scrutinize their thought process as town and always post off the cuff, maybe. But Somi doesn't strike me that way.

Anyway, I think there's a difference between pointing out information exists and somebody with rl Johns going "I wanna analyze this", which is how I read Mak there. There's no pretense of there being content.

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Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:49 am**

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JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:32 am heury - One of Seven's little accusations is that heury is human, not that they were scum but specifically human. As much as I distrust Seven, if we are dealing with 2 mafias I can see Seven either being a scum cop or having access to one, and trying to use that info to lynch a rival scum team member.

And this interpretation still holds given what Seven said later on it?

Makhaira - This one I'm not too sure on, because I wasn't thinking about it at first but went back to read the post on Zeniba that Laserguy pointed out and I see the point being made. So this slot is a scum lean for me.

Mind laying out your thought process in a bit more depth? I'm not seeing the link between seeing the point being made and being a scumlean since you're singling out Laserguy's post.

Only other point with details is Seven, I'll review that exchange.

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Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:21 am**

Makhaira

Spoiler (Show/Hide)

post 1: snark about pseudo-survivor. Votes EGW
post 2: disagrees with BF on whether the ususal "even dead townies win" condition exsists
post 3: continues with BF
post 4: still on BF about the statement he made
post 5: some reactions to other people commenting on the reading of initial flavor

This seems like hanging on to a minor point longer than reasonable, CV says it's scum trying to talk about something to look productive

post 6: fluff
post 7: another post on the town wincon
post 8: likes BF's defining scum, oofs at Zeniba's first post
post 9: fixing end of post 8, dislikes huery's scum hunting
post 10: debate with Seven on somi's meta
post 11: asking Seven about bessie's meta
post 12: theorizes bessie-huery scum actions
post 13: T->S list, with Adum, Seven town, me scum. votes me
post 14: likes Zeniba's "content", promises reread

Note this "content" was Zeniba pointing out how many times I mentioned bessie and BF which is a. fillery, b. is confirmation bias for Mak

post 15: more praise for Zeniba, available for EOD
post 16: fluff
post 17: behind thread post
post 18: discontent with votals
post 19: fluff
post 20: asking about Seven wagon

CV says they're looking for enough rationalization for a vote

post 21: curious about the read on JC
post 22: meta analysis of flavor
post 23: wants evidence of Adum's explanation for Seven wagon
post 24: fluff
post 25: surprise about bessie and EGW
post 26: decided to let Zeniba wagon go, vote at this point would be disruptive
post 27: will be available for D2
post 28: tells Gluelock they'd vote for Zeniba except for hammering

D2
post 29: believes in the multiball setup due to flip, lots of info for analysis

Some interest in heury as scum early, seemed to drop it when the bessie push fell apart. Otherwise seems superficial. -1.5

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:57 am**

JC

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post 0: confirm
post 1: fluff
post 2: resume stuff
post 3: catch up notification
post 4: correction to post 3
post 5: 2nd catch up notification

This was where he was when I did my first post-by-post with basically a score of 0

post 6: definition question
post 7: another definition question
post 8: curious about push on him
post 9: feels EGW is anti-Glue, says he is not
post 10: question about deadline
post 11: fluff
post 12: wants to know about Glue's anti-JC post
post 13: upset at Adum for bonking EGW
post 14: agrees with LG being against JC elim
post 15: agrees with Glue saying Adum is arrogant
post 16: finds Seven's partial reads laughable
post 17: wants Seven to put something on scum guarantee
post 18: similar to post 13

Two themes in the past several posts: Adum is mean to EGW and Seven is ridiculous for the scum!JC bit. Also, the summaries are longer than his acutal posts in these

post 19: fluff
post 20: admonishment at Adum
post 21: resigns himself to not being helpful
post 22: comment on votes, and not claiming
post 23: answers EGW about Gluelock being all over the place readwise

D2
post 24: confusion on Zen v Zeniba
post 25: trying to parse morning flavor, also subscribes to multiball
post 26: asks about the breadcrumb acronym
post 27: fluff
post 28: repeats question to EGW
post 29: yes JC is up to date
post 30: follow up as to why that matters to EGW
post 31: follow up to post 30, hedging statement
post 32: another post on the Zen/Zeniba confusion
post 33: reads post with EGW scum, Adum town

I see the new player, I see someone who is intimidated by the pace of the game, but I also see someone who was deeply concerned by any hint of suspicion thrown at him and who has a lot of superficial interests. Score -0.5

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:36 am**

George, full read list please.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 am**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:32 am heury - One of Seven's little accusations is that heury is human, not that they were scum but specifically human. As much as I distrust Seven, if we are dealing with 2 mafias I can see Seven either being a scum cop or having access to one, and trying to use that info to lynch a rival scum team member.

Seven is claiming that someone sent him the message, therefore your read is incorrect.

Btw got called into overtime so working a 70 hour week. Been popping on when I can to stay caught up. Will try to make time for a reads list tomorrow.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:02 am**

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:32 am heury - One of Seven's little accusations is that heury is human, not that they were scum but specifically human. As much as I distrust Seven, if we are dealing with 2 mafias I can see Seven either being a scum cop or having access to one, and trying to use that info to lynch a rival scum team member.
Seven is claiming that someone sent him the message, therefore your read is incorrect.

Btw got called into overtime so working a 70 hour week. Been popping on when I can to stay caught up. Will try to make time for a reads list tomorrow.

I went back and read everything involving Seven's post about getting the message you were human, because Adum prompted me to read what Seven said after that as if i missed something. Only thing i seemed to have missed is Adum giving Seven an out for that claim, that she got no message and was going off a BC from Adum's post. I believe Adum prompted Seven twice on that subject, so I guess I did miss something and I'm not sure how i feel about that interaction..

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:06 am**

My read could be incorrect, but not because Seven claimed to have been sent the message... Seven has been lying constantly, so it's hard to tell what's true and what's not

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:31 am**

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JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:02 am
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:32 am heury - One of Seven's little accusations is that heury is human, not that they were scum but specifically human. As much as I distrust Seven, if we are dealing with 2 mafias I can see Seven either being a scum cop or having access to one, and trying to use that info to lynch a rival scum team member.
Seven is claiming that someone sent him the message, therefore your read is incorrect.

Btw got called into overtime so working a 70 hour week. Been popping on when I can to stay caught up. Will try to make time for a reads list tomorrow.
I went back and read everything involving Seven's post about getting the message you were human, because Adum prompted me to read what Seven said after that as if i missed something. Only thing i seemed to have missed is Adum giving Seven an out for that claim, that she got no message and was going off a BC from Adum's post. I believe Adum prompted Seven twice on that subject, so I guess I did miss something and I'm not sure how i feel about that interaction..

Yep, that's the response that suggests you just missed it and your willingness to revise is noted.

That said, I suggest you reread the interaction a few more times and reread the earlier posts between seven and me a few times, because I didn't give him an out and even when reading back, what he misunderstood is perfectly understandable in context.

Oh and still want you to explain Mak a bit more.

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Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:31 am**

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:06 am My read could be incorrect, but not because Seven claimed to have been sent the message... Seven has been lying constantly, so it's hard to tell what's true and what's not

Lies. I've never lied in my life.

I did stretch the truth here though, stretching message to mean in-thread message. But that was with good intentions. I wanted to be Adum's surrogate for claiming if he did indeed have a result on Heury but didn't want to out himself.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:40 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:36 am George, full read list please.

I didn't have time to do that today but I do intend to have one for this phase.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:18 am**

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:31 am System.out.println("

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:02 am
heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:49 am
Seven is claiming that someone sent him the message, therefore your read is incorrect.

Btw got called into overtime so working a 70 hour week. Been popping on when I can to stay caught up. Will try to make time for a reads list tomorrow.
I went back and read everything involving Seven's post about getting the message you were human, because Adum prompted me to read what Seven said after that as if i missed something. Only thing i seemed to have missed is Adum giving Seven an out for that claim, that she got no message and was going off a BC from Adum's post. I believe Adum prompted Seven twice on that subject, so I guess I did miss something and I'm not sure how i feel about that interaction..
Yep, that's the response that suggests you just missed it and your willingness to revise is noted.

That said, I suggest you reread the interaction a few more times and reread the earlier posts between seven and me a few times, because I didn't give him an out and even when reading back, what he misunderstood is perfectly understandable in context.

Oh and still want you to explain Mak a bit more.

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Oh no, you noted it?

Go ahead and take a screen shot while you're at it, then stare at that screen shot while you wait for that explanation you want.

Posted: **Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:20 am**

Seven wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:31 am
JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:06 am My read could be incorrect, but not because Seven claimed to have been sent the message... Seven has been lying constantly, so it's hard to tell what's true and what's not
Lies. I've never lied in my life.

That's a stretch.

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