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I'm wracking my brain, but I'm almost positive it wasn't.Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:23 pm I think the other Joat targeting you was stated in thread
Are we ignoring the fact Wam name does a role?Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:05 pmDo people really not see how safe of a gamble claim it is to make?Theallieza wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:01 am Hmm...
Okay, Wam is Town and I do not support his elim. I do not think mafia would have a watcher on the role that they NKed, so either Adum is lying, or Wam is Town.
Vote: JC
Or that it still could be truthful but still be scim (Adum not being the nk target or intended one f.e. Also multibal but K dlnt believe in that. Much much more likely that its just fake. As in, they re Joat but that wasnt their action today)
All the observed stuff are things that were said previously on thread. You add that up with the holster claims (me/thea/Fred) + teammates and th odds of that vlaim.being a correct guess are just high and worth to do.
Wam was already being top wagon so even in the case it was not correct, town would have to reveal additional unknown info
this 7 figure is correct, my previous posts saying 6 to hammer were incorrect and I have since edited themAdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:23 pmSorry Sabrar you made a typo here, 6 is majority with 12 players.
Sorry, phone posting...
Thats true! I think is the first thing I pointed out.JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:43 pmSorry, phone posting...
Wam actually name dropped the Publishing Cop, there is no way he would know the actual name of a role if he was making up his action.
I disagree. I think two different JOATs submitting on the same player is the less likely interpretation given loudness. But for some reason I misremembered and thought that power was included in it, which makes it less unlikely they're seperate players.Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:36 pm I mean , I think is very safe to assume if you have the knowledge that there is more than one Joat , that those are different players. It was my first assumption aswell.
And I think it provides a more sensible explanation to what happened in the night raher than just a track on seven haha
I'm confusedmadge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:41 pmthis 7 figure is correct, my previous posts saying 6 to hammer were incorrect and I have since edited themAdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:23 pmSorry Sabrar you made a typo here, 6 is majority with 12 players.
No I checked my qction only gets 1 result no matter how many actions the visitor takes.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:56 pmI disagree. I think two different JOATs submitting on the same player is the less likely interpretation given loudness. But for some reason I misremembered and thought that power was included in it, which makes it less unlikely they're seperate players.Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:36 pm I mean , I think is very safe to assume if you have the knowledge that there is more than one Joat , that those are different players. It was my first assumption aswell.
And I think it provides a more sensible explanation to what happened in the night raher than just a track on seven haha
If I'm right that both entries refer to Seven, only being two JOATs explains the lack of a counterclaim as well as the third JOAT being Wam's partner.
@makhaira when you are here, please give names on who you are frustrated about doing a lot of tentative posturing.Makhaira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:11 am Bessie somi wam santy is my yeetables in order from most pref to least, I kind want to see wam try to prove himself or draw an NK, I get why seven doesn't believe the claim though, and yeah he could be true claimin mechanically but it's just a scum PR so I'm not gonna throw any tantrums I just want to see in clear terms where people actually are willing to put their votes theres just been so much tentative posturing is so frustrating
Man, I hope I'm as good at this game as you one day.Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:45 pmThats true! I think is the first thing I pointed out.JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:43 pmSorry, phone posting...
Wam actually name dropped the Publishing Cop, there is no way he would know the actual name of a role if he was making up his action.
For that I have 2 answers.
Publishing Cop is also scum
Mafia targeted the publishing cop with a tailor-esque type of role / have knowledge about them
I'm guessing a double voter who hasn't used their 2nd voteAdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:58 pmI'm confusedmadge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:41 pmthis 7 figure is correct, my previous posts saying 6 to hammer were incorrect and I have since edited themAdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:23 pm
Sorry Sabrar you made a typo here, 6 is majority with 12 players.
Okay, I'm a forgetful idiot.JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:05 am From this post where he claimed, he made it clear he was not one of the joats from the d2 start.
I don't know if Wam is town, but he seems more town than others so I moved him up the list. Never said I considered him conf-town.
Like my post said, I'm content with letting him cook, and looking back at this slot later.
Well, this seems a little abrupt.
Okay, can you walk an idiot like me through this, I don't understand what the conflict should be here?AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:03 pm Thea, I recognize you're busy but this is flat out incorrect. They're claiming they can only see the role names of people who visited me, so any of the two JOATs or the cop could've carried the NK. Their claim is they thought the other JOAT was a doc.
What doesn't make sense with this claim or him being town is given I already discounted lightning rod effect and and psychic effect, why'd I'd think I was the target and survived until he knew my role. He should've thought his claim conflicted with mine but didn't put the thought into it!
(Of course, he could be gambiting that no town role could counterclaim him and he didn't watch me at all)
I'll be honest, I always forget about that being mathematically advantageous with an even number of players, it's just so counter-intuitive. A No Elim would also leave us without the information from the D1 flip and wagons, so I'd actually be suspicious of anyone else suggesting it on the first day. Especially so in a Halloween game where the setup is almost guaranteed to not be ordinary in some way, probably nullifying the mathematics.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:21 pm Somi, mind answering my question about why you didn't consider a no elim yesterday?
This is is explicitly us discussing out the possibility of your claim not being accurate.Wam wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:58 pmNo I checked my qction only gets 1 result no matter how many actions the visitor takes.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:56 pmI disagree. I think two different JOATs submitting on the same player is the less likely interpretation given loudness. But for some reason I misremembered and thought that power was included in it, which makes it less unlikely they're seperate players.Santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:36 pm I mean , I think is very safe to assume if you have the knowledge that there is more than one Joat , that those are different players. It was my first assumption aswell.
And I think it provides a more sensible explanation to what happened in the night raher than just a track on seven haha
If I'm right that both entries refer to Seven, only being two JOATs explains the lack of a counterclaim as well as the third JOAT being Wam's partner.
Why would a 3rd JOAT counter claim an accurate claim?
That's a thing? Maybe I'm misremembering my Mafia history but I thought double voters' vote don't count for number required for majority.
It's pretty simple. Wam saw everyone who visited me, Wam didn't know my role. I claimed that I didn't have a lightning rod power and that I didn't have role knowledge of any misdirections, implying I wasn't a psychic. So, what explains them believing me about being the NK target? What explains them not caring about my rationale for the belief?somitomi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:01 pmOkay, can you walk an idiot like me through this, I don't understand what the conflict should be here?AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:03 pm Thea, I recognize you're busy but this is flat out incorrect. They're claiming they can only see the role names of people who visited me, so any of the two JOATs or the cop could've carried the NK. Their claim is they thought the other JOAT was a doc.
What doesn't make sense with this claim or him being town is given I already discounted lightning rod effect and and psychic effect, why'd I'd think I was the target and survived until he knew my role. He should've thought his claim conflicted with mine but didn't put the thought into it!
(Of course, he could be gambiting that no town role could counterclaim him and he didn't watch me at all)
Appreciated.I'll be honest, I always forget about that being mathematically advantageous with an even number of players, it's just so counter-intuitive. A No Elim would also leave us without the information from the D1 flip and wagons, so I'd actually be suspicious of anyone else suggesting it on the first day. Especially so in a Halloween game where the setup is almost guaranteed to not be ordinary in some way, probably nullifying the mathematics.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:21 pm Somi, mind answering my question about why you didn't consider a no elim yesterday?
Btw mind answering my question on my you didn't consider a no elim last game day?
Thanks you, that makes sense now.AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:30 pm It's pretty simple. Wam saw everyone who visited me, Wam didn't know my role. I claimed that I didn't have a lightning rod power and that I didn't have role knowledge of any misdirections, implying I wasn't a psychic. So, what explains them believing me about being the NK target? What explains them not caring about my rationale for the belief?
Especially after Seven pointed out the investigations cancel each other out and I could be a godfather?
Even if they, as they claim, had that strong of a townread on me, why aren't they trying to figure out my role to learn what I know? That they figured it out so quickly shows they could've done it easily if they put in the effort.
It just doesn't make sense from a town-Wam perspective.
Didn't even think about itAdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:32 pmBtw mind answering my question on my you didn't consider a no elim last game day?