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Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:43 pm My top scum reads atm are Heury and EGW.

My Heury reads are kind of weak, but the people I town read have also scum read them which validates my beliefs. I wish I could arrive at a more independent read of them though. (I’m tempted to throw bessie in this bucket too, idk how to read that slot at all though)

EGW is a carry over read from D1.

Im still not seeing what some see in JC however.

Why don't you scum read Mak? You guys have partner equity I feel.

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Speaking of Mak, I am starting to get a bit concerned on their activity level.

@mod, requesting Mak prod.

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@Seven

I think my read (or lack of) towards Mak has a lot to do with recency bias. In other words, they haven’t been around and I don’t think about them much.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:51 pm

Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:43 pm My top scum reads atm are Heury and EGW.

My Heury reads are kind of weak, but the people I town read have also scum read them which validates my beliefs. I wish I could arrive at a more independent read of them though. (I’m tempted to throw bessie in this bucket too, idk how to read that slot at all though)

EGW is a carry over read from D1.

Im still not seeing what some see in JC however.

By some, do you mean me? Or the the people town reading him?

By some I do mean you, but also I thought I remember seeing LG share a similar sentiment as you.

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Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:43 pm My top scum reads atm are Heury and EGW.

My Heury reads are kind of weak, but the people I town read have also scum read them which validates my beliefs. I wish I could arrive at a more independent read of them though. (I’m tempted to throw bessie in this bucket too, idk how to read that slot at all though)

EGW is a carry over read from D1.

Im still not seeing what some see in JC however.

I'd like to see how you feel about everyone in the game ATM

Also an expansion of your current EGW thoughts.");

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EGW wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:24 pm Also, full reads list. I'm going to a piano lesson, will talk more when I am back.

Not alone as a pianist!");

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heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:55 am

Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:14 am Maybe I'm nitpicking here, but just looking at this linguistically, your first two statements,

1. Yeah.... There were definitely 2 kill actions taken last night. Or do you think the doctor's action is always public?
2. Zeniba is definitely not a lone human, as mod clarified they were scum, not SK.

These both have very confident language being repeated. You're definitely sure there were 2 kill actions, and you're definitely sure theres more than 1 human.

Compare that to:

3. Yes. My role pm says I'm town, and not human or scum

This is lacking that confidence exuding jargon from your first two statements. Why not "My role pm says I'm definitely town, and not human or scum."? Ironically, you should be the most confident about this; the other two are reliant on conjecture but you ought to know your assigned role. Normally, I wouldn't even think about something like this, but it's a pattern that is really standing out to me. Does anyone else think I'm just grasping at straws here or is there some unconscious linguistic tell at play here?

*Raises hand* I think you're grasping at straws. My role pm doesn't say I'm definitely town. It says I'm town. The adverb I used was to emphasize disagreement when I drew what I thought to be (and still believe) an obvious conclusion which was the opposite of what you believed.

The the fact that you're making the same context mistake about your OWN post that Gluelock did feels extra weird and somehow gives Gluelock's point weight in spite of itself. Wow.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:34 am ? I can confirm that whatever message you received isn't mine. If you think you're reading a BC of me flavor copping Heury, you're wrong. I think they're Zeniba's scummate because of their play around the slot.

And by playing around the slot so you mean sheeping Laser's town read on freddino?

Yep, well past the expiration date when they were posting really weird things and actively trying to convince people out of the lynch.

Does the doctor usually override a bodyguard dying when the body guards protected the target?

Maybe it theoretically should. Don't think I've seen it happen in games though.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:55 am System.out.println("

Also, I promise I'm not dating Boomfrog");

Lies. I won't believe until the flip

You already got the flip! He didn't flip lovers and I'm still alive!

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Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:03 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:51 pm

Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:43 pm My top scum reads atm are Heury and EGW.

My Heury reads are kind of weak, but the people I town read have also scum read them which validates my beliefs. I wish I could arrive at a more independent read of them though. (I’m tempted to throw bessie in this bucket too, idk how to read that slot at all though)

EGW is a carry over read from D1.

Im still not seeing what some see in JC however.

By some, do you mean me? Or the the people town reading him?

By some I do mean you, but also I thought I remember seeing LG share a similar sentiment as you.

Just skim through his iso in his scum game and compare it to his town game. I don't want to say what it is that's different so he's not able to adjust (I will later though).

EGW wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:24 pm I'm going to a piano lesson

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Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:54 pm
Why don't you scum read Mak? You guys have partner equity I feel.

Why you asking that second sentence before you got your answer?

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EGW wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:23 pm

JC_DADDY25 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:19 pm What does that have to do with who you are taking about? Pretty sure you answered, just don't remember

If you have read fully you wouldn't be asking that question. What's your thoughts on the full game?

EGW is right here. Even with the confusion between Zeniba and Zen, it's obvious he was talking about me given the context and the fact that he was voting me all day. JC is not in this and is active lurking. Activew lurking = posting but not really involved.

btw the reason the Zeniba account exists is because the person who made it (not Trisscar) was memeing with my name.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:47 pm System.out.println("

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:54 pm
Why don't you scum read Mak? You guys have partner equity I feel.

Why you asking that second sentence before you got your answer?

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I was more interested in how he responded given the latter context.

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:41 pm System.out.println("

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:55 am

Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:14 am Maybe I'm nitpicking here, but just looking at this linguistically, your first two statements,

1. Yeah.... There were definitely 2 kill actions taken last night. Or do you think the doctor's action is always public?
2. Zeniba is definitely not a lone human, as mod clarified they were scum, not SK.

These both have very confident language being repeated. You're definitely sure there were 2 kill actions, and you're definitely sure theres more than 1 human.

Compare that to:

3. Yes. My role pm says I'm town, and not human or scum

This is lacking that confidence exuding jargon from your first two statements. Why not "My role pm says I'm definitely town, and not human or scum."? Ironically, you should be the most confident about this; the other two are reliant on conjecture but you ought to know your assigned role. Normally, I wouldn't even think about something like this, but it's a pattern that is really standing out to me. Does anyone else think I'm just grasping at straws here or is there some unconscious linguistic tell at play here?

*Raises hand* I think you're grasping at straws. My role pm doesn't say I'm definitely town. It says I'm town. The adverb I used was to emphasize disagreement when I drew what I thought to be (and still believe) an obvious conclusion which was the opposite of what you believed.

The the fact that you're making the same context mistake about your OWN post that Gluelock did feels extra weird and somehow gives Gluelock's point weight in spite of itself. Wow.

Really? It makes complete sense to me. This is what I thought was going on when I read Blue's post.

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Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:49 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:47 pm System.out.println("

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:54 pm
Why don't you scum read Mak? You guys have partner equity I feel.

Why you asking that second sentence before you got your answer?

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I was more interested in how he responded given the latter context.

Which makes sense but you can't ungive information and while asking without first doesn't cut out with, asking with first does cut out without.

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:52 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:41 pm System.out.println("

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:55 am
*Raises hand* I think you're grasping at straws. My role pm doesn't say I'm definitely town. It says I'm town. The adverb I used was to emphasize disagreement when I drew what I thought to be (and still believe) an obvious conclusion which was the opposite of what you believed.

The the fact that you're making the same context mistake about your OWN post that Gluelock did feels extra weird and somehow gives Gluelock's point weight in spite of itself. Wow.

Really? It makes complete sense to me. This is what I thought was going on when I read Blue's post.

Remember what Heury was responding to:

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:54 am I did receive a message implying that heury is human.

Vote: heury

Heury, claim.

You specifically claimed that you received a message implying Heury is human, that's what Heury was responding to.
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LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:32 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:14 pm As for why the non-human team did the kill, I doubt both teams can kill each night. It’s either the case that one team has no kill, or that the kill alternates between each team each night. For balance purposes, I think because Trisscar was a cop, it’s the non-humans that either started out with or permanently have the kill.

This is specific in a way that kind of pings me and I'm just noting it for posterity.

Also was perplexed as Seven's phrasing

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:03 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:54 am I did receive a message implying that heury is human.

Vote: heury

Heury, claim.

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I already called shotgun

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LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:25 pm If we are in a 9-2-2 type scenario, I imagine that the buddy is not bussing. It's very hard to lose a partner on D1 and recover in that situation. Most likely the partner is in [bessie, EGW, Heury, somi, Mak, JC]. I think probably not Mak. bessie and heury I think are more likely together (either town partners or mafia partners) than with Zeniba. EGW, somi, JC seem most likely.

If we are in a 9-3-1 or 10-3 type scenario, we probably have one on and one off-wagon. Probably you/Moody would be my candidates for on-wagon based on general wagonomics, unless Adum busses like a madman for no reason.

Must.... bus... partners... in every scum game!

In all seriousness, for transparency's sake I will say that I bused more than average in my smashboards scum games.

Your thought process, plus essentially holding your read as a shield to never suspect Heury is why I think Heury has the highest partner equity for zeniba.

I agree not Mak, Mak would've probably missed the deadline if they were Zeniba's scummate because they have a "lynch inactives" policy and they wouldn't wanna be seen violating it.

At work now, so more thoughts when I get a chance.

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AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:16 pm System.out.println("

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:25 pm If we are in a 9-2-2 type scenario, I imagine that the buddy is not bussing. It's very hard to lose a partner on D1 and recover in that situation. Most likely the partner is in [bessie, EGW, Heury, somi, Mak, JC]. I think probably not Mak. bessie and heury I think are more likely together (either town partners or mafia partners) than with Zeniba. EGW, somi, JC seem most likely.

If we are in a 9-3-1 or 10-3 type scenario, we probably have one on and one off-wagon. Probably you/Moody would be my candidates for on-wagon based on general wagonomics, unless Adum busses like a madman for no reason.

Your thought process, plus essentially holding your read as a shield to never suspect Heury is why I think Heury has the highest partner equity for zeniba.

Hmm... thinking about, it's probably worth trying to resolve this slot one way or the other. The ambiguity of completely different alignments isn't helping.

Vote: heury

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LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:21 pm

AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:16 pm System.out.println("

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:25 pm If we are in a 9-2-2 type scenario, I imagine that the buddy is not bussing. It's very hard to lose a partner on D1 and recover in that situation. Most likely the partner is in [bessie, EGW, Heury, somi, Mak, JC]. I think probably not Mak. bessie and heury I think are more likely together (either town partners or mafia partners) than with Zeniba. EGW, somi, JC seem most likely.

If we are in a 9-3-1 or 10-3 type scenario, we probably have one on and one off-wagon. Probably you/Moody would be my candidates for on-wagon based on general wagonomics, unless Adum busses like a madman for no reason.

Your thought process, plus essentially holding your read as a shield to never suspect Heury is why I think Heury has the highest partner equity for zeniba.

Hmm... thinking about, it's probably worth trying to resolve this slot one way or the other. The ambiguity of completely different alignments isn't helping.

Vote: heury

I agree.

Too early for an elim wagon outside of a solved game, cause wagons that lose momentum tend to dissipate because of recency bias (though if I'm historically wrong on this forum, people can feel free to correct me, also I'm borrowing a lot of people's useful words this game). Plus I'd like Bessie here when we start seriously gunning for Heury for rather obvious reasons and weekends are better for her.

I'm thinking Saturday. Plenty of time to make it happen, but probably not long enough for it to randomly dissipate.
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Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:38 pm @somi in the post I'm quoting here.

You are BoomFrog
You rolled Body Guard
You are known crumbing
You know people will know you were BG after you flip
You don't say the above without explicit intent to indicate who your target was

Oh, that is pretty damn clear, yeah

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:58 pmBeing a setup god isn't pertinent to thinking that a traitor would contact their team by listing all of them as the team publically in thread. All that would do is a) cause the scum team to kill them, and b) cause the scum team to be outed if the traitor dies. That's what I'm suspicious of her for. She deflected this as a "I wouldn't do this as scum" comment, but it's not -- it's a "why would ANY decent scum do this ever".

I don't know about you, but I'm not certain mafia would immediately kill someone who nailed the team on D1 since that might be seen as confirmation that they were onto something. And yet on the flipside, if said person turned out to be a traitor (or otherwise mafia-aligned), town probably wouldn't take anything they said at face value, especially not their reads. A lot of "why would scum do this?" turns into wine by dint of that very sentiment.

Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:14 am This is lacking that confidence exuding jargon from your first two statements. Why not "My role pm says I'm definitely town, and not human or scum."? Ironically, you should be the most confident about this; the other two are reliant on conjecture but you ought to know your assigned role. Normally, I wouldn't even think about something like this, but it's a pattern that is really standing out to me. Does anyone else think I'm just grasping at straws here or is there some unconscious linguistic tell at play here?

I think this is just some linguistic quirk, the third statement is a fact so there's little need to indicate confidence there, while the first two are inferences that are usually accompanied by language indicating how sure the speaker is about them.

bessie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:43 am If you are town, this repetitive speculation of my role is not advantageous to town. But I think you are not town, and you are rolefishing, and you are trying to cause confusion as to my role in the thread by implying that either I claimed this, or that you somehow otherwise know it.

Why is it thinking about the rather obvious link between you and heury not advantageous to town?

Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:11 am Somi seems fine. Wait Somi, can you go into detail about why EGW was your strongest town read???

I don't think I said he was my strongest town read, but I generally liked what they said and the way they engaged people for their opinions.

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:25 pm I think that this post points against Mak/Zeniba being partners. Mak misunderstood Zeniba's big post (where they were looking through moody's read list for duplicates, I think) as being from Zeniba, but ended up with essentially the same analysis as they had when it was from moody. They weren't trying to hedge their interpretation because one player was a partner.

Yeah, I think this makes more sense, I had to read that post several times to realise those were quotes.

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Hey @Somi, where's your head at now? Particularly what's your read on people now?

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Also @Seven has claimed but still hasn't confirmed who they neighborized last night.

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AdumbroDeus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:55 pm System.out.println("

Also @Seven has claimed but still hasn't confirmed who they neighborized last night.

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Why are you interested?

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:32 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:14 pm As for why the non-human team did the kill, I doubt both teams can kill each night. It’s either the case that one team has no kill, or that the kill alternates between each team each night. For balance purposes, I think because Trisscar was a cop, it’s the non-humans that either started out with or permanently have the kill.

This is specific in a way that kind of pings me and I'm just noting it for posterity.

I actually was going to mention the idea of two scum teams yesterDay too but figured it would put me over in terms of suspicion as people tend to be puzzled by my "psychic" insights (see Stranger Things).

heuristically_alone wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:13 pm

LaserGuy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:03 pm

Seven wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:54 am I did receive a message implying that heury is human.

Vote: heury

Heury, claim.

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I already called shotgun

Adum deduced my meaning. I was interpreting his insistence that you are Trisscar's partner + his statement implying that the mods have established a premise of flavor being relevant to alignment as him being a role cop who investigated you last night and got that you are human.

somitomi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:42 pm

Gluelock wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:14 am This is lacking that confidence exuding jargon from your first two statements. Why not "My role pm says I'm definitely town, and not human or scum."? Ironically, you should be the most confident about this; the other two are reliant on conjecture but you ought to know your assigned role. Normally, I wouldn't even think about something like this, but it's a pattern that is really standing out to me. Does anyone else think I'm just grasping at straws here or is there some unconscious linguistic tell at play here?

I think this is just some linguistic quirk, the third statement is a fact so there's little need to indicate confidence there, while the first two are inferences that are usually accompanied by language indicating how sure the speaker is about them.

Yes, this.

Also @Adum, heury can only be scum if bessie is scum. You think bessie is town, so I don't think it's reasonable to think heury is scum. I suppose there is the option where bessie has a strong reason to believe heury is town rather than him being confirmed, but regardless, it's odd that you're ignoring the bessie side of the equation.