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Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:08 am
by Wam
Why JC ?

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:10 am
by Freddino18
been at the top of her scum list tbh

Unvote

Vote: JC

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:26 am
by madge

Deadline is in about 12 and a half hours. Please note that I won't be able to count votes or respond to PMs etc until the deadline so everything is going to be through sabrar.

No extensions unless there's an act of God level event

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:49 am
by moody7277
bessie wrote:On this forum, voting "No Elim" on D1 is generally viewed as scummy and some players will policy vote the player that does it (cough moody7277 cough).
:oops:
Makhaira wrote:VOTE PEOPLE IT IS TIME TO TAKE ACTUAL POSITIONS AND ADVANCE THE GAME NO MORE FENCE SITTING
Well, you guys were so explicitly keeping wam at E-2 for reasons.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:03 pm
by Freddino18
I feel like we can stop that now, either we eliminate Wam or we find someone else we're willing to kill

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:35 pm
by Wam
I will self pres vote if needed but of all the POE JC is my top town read.

I'm thinking outside my towncore.and yes paired scum/indies is possible for thea and Fred but think we can solve that later in game and I think it's unlikely.

Town

JC - most town jc has ever looked I find it weird that's who thea has gone for
Moody - think thier reactions to the claim stuff show a desire to solve.
Mak - feels Town but within scum range
Bessie - see previous post
Santy - I think they are lying about having a vig shot to give them cover being caught shooting someone later. See previous post about how they didn't flag back to adum with a vig shot its not mathematically optimal to no elim.
Somi - interactions with claim are weird.

Scum

Vote somi

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:36 pm
by AdumbroDeus
Theallieza wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:01 am Hmm...

Okay, Wam is Town and I do not support his elim. I do not think mafia would have a watcher on the role that they NKed, so either Adum is lying, or Wam is Town.

Vote: JC
Thea, actually reread.

I interrogated him at length (starting here: https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79756#p79756) and his behavior toDay makes no sense given his claim if he was town.

Especially after Seven pointed out the investigations cancel each other out and came up with the godfather theory he should've either thought his claim countered mine and been suspicious of me OR figured out my role before.

I don't think he's with the faction that tries to kill me me, but I think we're in multiball.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:44 pm
by AdumbroDeus
Especially when he figured my role out so easily when interrogated. There was just no incentive to actually scumhunt my slot.

Vote: Wam

That's back to E-2

Deadline is less than 12 hours, I'll be checking sporadically but unless something big comes up I'm good with eliming now.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:50 pm
by AdumbroDeus
moody7277 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:49 am
Makhaira wrote:VOTE PEOPLE IT IS TIME TO TAKE ACTUAL POSITIONS AND ADVANCE THE GAME NO MORE FENCE SITTING
Well, you guys were so explicitly keeping wam at E-2 for reasons.
I was, with Santy supporting the idea because we didn't want quickelims before everyone got to chime in.

But you are fully capable of verbally committing to Wam elim.

Freddino18 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:03 pm I feel like we can stop that now, either we eliminate Wam or we find someone else we're willing to kill
We should eliminate Wam. I see no more reason to keep him at E-2 also.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:54 pm
by moody7277
AdumbroDeus wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:50 pm
moody7277 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:49 am
Makhaira wrote:VOTE PEOPLE IT IS TIME TO TAKE ACTUAL POSITIONS AND ADVANCE THE GAME NO MORE FENCE SITTING
Well, you guys were so explicitly keeping wam at E-2 for reasons.
I was, with Santy supporting the idea because we didn't want quickelims before everyone got to chime in.

But you are fully capable of verbally committing to Wam elim.
Especially so since I think the bessie wagon is bollocks.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:03 pm
by AdumbroDeus
Theallieza wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:35 am
Adum is claiming he was the target of the NK, which is incompatible with your result.
Thea, I recognize you're busy but this is flat out incorrect. They're claiming they can only see the role names of people who visited me, so any of the two JOATs or the cop could've carried the NK. Their claim is they thought the other JOAT was a doc.

What doesn't make sense with this claim or him being town is given I already discounted lightning rod effect and and psychic effect, why'd I'd think I was the target and survived until he knew my role. He should've thought his claim conflicted with mine but didn't put the thought into it!

(Of course, he could be gambiting that no town role could counterclaim him and he didn't watch me at all)

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:05 pm
by Santygrass
Theallieza wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:01 am Hmm...

Okay, Wam is Town and I do not support his elim. I do not think mafia would have a watcher on the role that they NKed, so either Adum is lying, or Wam is Town.

Vote: JC
Do people really not see how safe of a gamble claim it is to make?
Or that it still could be truthful but still be scim (Adum not being the nk target or intended one f.e. Also multibal but K dlnt believe in that. Much much more likely that its just fake. As in, they re Joat but that wasnt their action today)

All the observed stuff are things that were said previously on thread. You add that up with the holster claims (me/thea/Fred) + teammates and th odds of that vlaim.being a correct guess are just high and worth to do.
Wam was already being top wagon so even in the case it was not correct, town would have to reveal additional unknown info

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:05 pm
by AdumbroDeus
moody7277 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:54 pm
AdumbroDeus wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:50 pm
moody7277 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:49 am

Well, you guys were so explicitly keeping wam at E-2 for reasons.
I was, with Santy supporting the idea because we didn't want quickelims before everyone got to chime in.

But you are fully capable of verbally committing to Wam elim.
Especially so since I think the bessie wagon is bollocks.
Ok, so you can vote Wam now. As I said I was the one wanting to hold off E-1 and I'm pretty sure we have everything we need.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:05 pm
by Santygrass
Also , just focusing on a mech claim and ignoring all the social play is, beyond bad as well to me

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:06 pm
by moody7277
Vote: wam

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:13 pm
by AdumbroDeus
Santygrass wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:05 pm
Theallieza wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:01 am Hmm...

Okay, Wam is Town and I do not support his elim. I do not think mafia would have a watcher on the role that they NKed, so either Adum is lying, or Wam is Town.

Vote: JC
Do people really not see how safe of a gamble claim it is to make?
Or that it still could be truthful but still be scim (Adum not being the nk target or intended one f.e. Also multibal but K dlnt believe in that. Much much more likely that its just fake. As in, they re Joat but that wasnt their action today)

All the observed stuff are things that were said previously on thread. You add that up with the holster claims (me/thea/Fred) + teammates and th odds of that vlaim.being a correct guess are just high and worth to do.
Wam was already being top wagon so even in the case it was not correct, town would have to reveal additional unknown info
I agree that it could be a gamble, but there's one thing we didn't know in the thread.

The other JOAT visiting me. That (or somebody else visiting me) are the CC openings if he's lying about his actions.

That said, if it's a fakeclaim it's possible the third JOAT is his partner.

Santygrass wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:05 pm Also , just focusing on a mech claim and ignoring all the social play is, beyond bad as well to me
Also, missing a substantial part of the mech.

That said, Thea made their RL johns clear at least for right now so it's understandable.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:14 pm
by AdumbroDeus
That's E-1 for Wam

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:21 pm
by AdumbroDeus
somitomi wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:04 pm
Somi, mind answering my question about why you didn't consider a no elim yesterday?

moody7277 wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:06 pm
You too moody.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:21 pm
by Sabrar
Votals:
Bessie - 1 - Makhaira
Wam - 5 - Seven, Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody
JC - 2 - Thea, Fred
somi - 1 - wam

Not voting: JC, Somi

11 players alive and 7 to hammer.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:23 pm
by AdumbroDeus
Sabrar wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:21 pm Votals:
Bessie - 1 - Makhaira
Wam - 5 - Seven, Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody
JC - 2 - Thea, Fred
somi - 1 - wam

Not voting: JC, Somi

11 players alive and 7 to hammer.
Sorry Sabrar you made a typo here, 6 is majority with 12 players.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:23 pm
by Santygrass
I think the other Joat targeting you was stated in thread

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:23 pm
by AdumbroDeus
And of course I made a typo too, ebwop: 11 players.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:25 pm
by moody7277
I've felt that no elim is giving up at least a 25% or so random chance of getting scum early, which can be increased by discussion, and the resulting wagons also provide facts to analyze on D2.

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:25 pm
by Santygrass
madge wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:09 am Image
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After a spirited but ultimately unsuccessful attempt to find Louise’s heptapod grammar and more attention from Dax, everyone decided to get back to the party.

A teenager with short brown hair, a red puffer vest, denim jacket and jeans had been cornered by a blond boy of about 13, wearing large black glasses, red pyjamas, and holding a broken sword.

“𝚒𝚖 𝚜𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚘𝚞𝚜!” he ranted. “𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚜, 𝚋𝚎𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚊 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚐𝚞𝚢, 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚊𝚌𝚝𝚞𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝙼𝙰𝚂𝚃𝙴𝚁𝙸𝙽𝙶 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚕, 𝚒𝚖 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚢 𝚜𝚞𝚛𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚗𝚟𝚘𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚒𝚝. 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚔𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎, 𝚠𝚎𝚕𝚕, 𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚖𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚂𝙰𝚈 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚔𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎. 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚗 𝚒𝚝 𝚜𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚘𝚗𝚝 𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚒𝚝. 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚒 𝚖𝚎𝚊𝚗 𝚠𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚔𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚔𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚘𝚋𝚟𝚒𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚕𝚢 𝚒𝚗 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚢 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎—”

The brown-haired teenager took a step backwards, looking for escape from this conversation, but the blond took a step toward him, and continued.

“—𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚕 𝚏𝚞𝚌𝚔𝚒𝚗 𝚌𝚛𝚊𝚗𝚎 𝚔𝚒𝚌𝚔𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚠𝚎𝚎𝚝 𝚔𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚌𝚑𝚘𝚙𝚜 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚕𝚎 𝚠𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚎𝚝 𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚊𝚗. 𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚊 𝚐𝚘𝚍 𝚍𝚊𝚖𝚗 𝚗𝚘 𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝𝚜 𝚠𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚘 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚔𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚎! 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚕, 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚝𝚞𝚏𝚏 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚝 𝚜𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚘𝚗𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚎! 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝚐𝚘𝚘𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚗 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚒𝚝! 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚊𝚗 𝚌𝚛𝚞𝚗𝚌𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚐𝚒𝚌 𝚘𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚙𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚠𝚊𝚗𝚝, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚜 𝚙𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚊 𝚌𝚘𝚛𝚗𝚎𝚛, 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚎𝚗𝚊𝚌𝚝 𝚘𝚛 𝚏𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚑 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏 𝚘𝚛 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠. 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎𝚜 𝚏𝚊𝚌𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚍𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚑 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚢 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚠𝚊𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚒𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚗—”

“I’m going to go grab a Pepsi Free, nice talking to y—”

“—𝚕𝚒𝚔𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚠𝚎 𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚐𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚞𝚙 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚒 𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚎 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚊 𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚝𝚕𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚕𝚎 𝚖𝚢 𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚠𝚊𝚝𝚌𝚑 𝚖𝚎 𝚐𝚎𝚝 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚝, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚒 𝚌𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍𝚗𝚝 𝚜𝚊𝚢 𝚊𝚗𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚘𝚛 𝚒𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚞𝚙. 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚒 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚌𝚘𝚘𝚕 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚖𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚢 𝚖𝚌𝚏𝚞𝚌𝚔𝚒𝚗 𝚏𝚕𝚢—”

The brown-haired teenager narrowed his eyes.

“𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚒𝚗𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚊𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚜𝚑𝚛𝚎𝚍𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚓𝚘𝚑𝚗𝚗𝚢 𝚋 𝚐𝚘𝚘𝚍𝚎 𝚘𝚗 𝚐𝚞𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚐𝚎𝚝 𝚖𝚢 𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚝𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚊𝚗𝚐—”

The brown-haired youth punched the younger blonde one, who fell to the ground. The denim-wearing teen made for the drink stand.

Nobody seemed to care about the altercation they’d witnessed—the terminator fight was demanding more attention. The blonde stood up, sighed, and went to speak to Bill and Ted.


Nobody was killed in the night.

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night

[Traffic Analyst] has been inherited by the Backup

[Adum] is [non-Town]

It is now Day 2. Night 2 starts in about five and a half days, see countdown:
https://countingdownto.com/?c=5877027
This is 7am China time on Wednesday the 13th of November, which is 11pm (Tues) in London and 6pm (Tues) in New York.

(note that Madge won’t be online until shortly before deadline, but Sabrar will hopefully be able to help with vote counts until the end)

(also let me know via PM if you have any ideas for little cameos for time travellers at the party)
Seven said that separate lines meant separate players.

Here is pretty easy to infer that 2 Joats+Cop targeted you tbh. At least its what I was assuming before Wam claimed

Re: Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:30 pm
by Santygrass
Wam -> JC -> Mak

Current prefered yeet order. If we yeet a town along the way reassess. If not go on full ahead .


Legacy in case Im nked