Trust Fall Mafia - Day 2

[KayJayQueue]

I may be paranoid but I’m not sure how genuine I feel bananas progression on me is.

I think he's paranoid town. To be fair he did ask me his thoughts on you and he did feel like the reasoning was good and it helped sway him. Plus I did suggest to him to re-read when he stated he was lost. I also find his poking of Mak townie. I think he likely doesn't fear any of our voices if he's willing to poke at me and Mak. I think as long as we never vote Moody, town should be in a good spot. However, I have doubts of Bop now. Thoughts of our recent discussion? (Bop and Me)

If I’m being honest I really want to read day 1 of that game but I’m about to start the most stressful part of work and this is going to last like 6 hours, almost to our deadline. So maybe it’s selfish to ask us to wait on bop until day 2 but I don’t know how reasonable that is for me to ask. I think somi should be one of the ones leaving today but I have so many people I don’t want falling out right now (heury, moody, bananas, Mak, Bessie, greedy) that I’ve basically run out of options because that only leaves me and you.

[Deadbananas0]

Fuck ignore my aggregates for now, I assumed Moodies numbers were change and not total, but he explained the system in tails. Recalculating.

[EGW]

If I’m being honest I really want to read day 1 of that game but I’m about to start the most stressful part of work and this is going to last like 6 hours, almost to our deadline. So maybe it’s selfish to ask us to wait on bop until day 2 but I don’t know how reasonable that is for me to ask. I think somi should be one of the ones leaving today but I have so many people I don’t want falling out right now (heury, moody, bananas, Mak, Bessie, greedy) that I’ve basically run out of options because that only leaves me and you.

I would agree on waiting until Day 2 for Bop. I'm alright with Greedy actually. I will try not to leave but my condition for leaving would be absolutely never ever let Moody fall out. Since, I have a gut feeling if Bop falls out, he will flip scum. As long as Moody never exits, we should be fine.

[EGW]

That’s very interesting. Also a bit lazy from my perspective lol thank you for answering but I did hope for a bit more analysis.

This is not out of his norm.

[Deadbananas0]

CORRECTED:
Aggregate since last aggregate (contains mine, Heury, Moody and Kay's most recent lists

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EGW - 11
Somi - 11
Bop - 10
Bessie - 8
Mak - 7
Moody - 6
Heury - 5
Greedy - 5
Kay - 5
Deadbananas -4

Previous aggregate: from Mine, Bop's, EGW's, Somi's, Heury's, Mak's and Moody's reads list

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Kay - 18
Bessie - 17
Moody - 14
EGW - 14
Bop - 13
Somi - 12
Mak - 12
Heury - 9
Greedy - 9
Deadbananas - 9

Combined Aggregate of most recent unique lists Mine, Bop's, egw's, somi's, Huery's, Mak's, Moody's, Kay's (no duplicate counting) ((Note some of these are quite old))

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EGW - 19
Bessie - 17
Kay - 17
Somi - 17
Bop - 15
Moody - 14
Mak - 14
Greedy - 11
Deadbanans -10
Heury - 10

[EGW]

On the italized, thats actually really fucking useful, and makes me feel better about you a lot lol, i should've thought to ask

Why does that make you feel better? How do you feel about what I have said of Moody?

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t want greedy to fall today. I have a weird feeling. It’s eating at me but something feels off.

[Deadbananas0]

On the italized, thats actually really fucking useful, and makes me feel better about you a lot lol, i should've thought to ask

Why does that make you feel better? How do you feel about what I have said of Moody?

I think town more likely checks that with seven, and updates people on it.

I have verified it as well now.

I'm reading through tales to get a better picture of yours and Bop's thoughts. Hopefully can get day 1 done, then will have to take a break for a bit, but will come back. I felt the same way on their lack of presence until the reads list. I want to determine if that was similar in tales, and compare reasoning on the lists.

[bessie]

Morning bark!

Thanks Bessie. For the record, I agree on the scummy meta out first part. Whats your thoughts on Bopp, when you get the time? In specific, do you know anything about Bop's meta? Additionally, of a Somi + Bop pair or a Moody + Mak pair, which you would prefer today? Mix and Match? Something else entirely?

I played one game with Bop. They were scum and totally fooled me I think I was town reading them the entire game. I would prefer between moody, Mak, EGW, and myself. I don’t see all the town leans on somi but I haven’t reread yet.

holy shit I did not expect bessie to be the one to get this

have you actually seen the show??? or was this through detective work hahaha

true to my word I will trustfall with you at any point you wish

Unfortunately just good detective work. I looked for this episode online so I could watch it, but the only way seems to be to buy a subscription to Adult Swim. I found one episode I could buy on AppleTV and I think 5 episodes I could watch is I signed up in a different app but none of them were Surfer God.

nice detective work! I was curious to see who if anyone would actually try to figure it out if no one in the game had actually seen the show haha

I actually think surfer god is one of the free episodes on the adult swin website, you should be able to just stream it for free there (but with ads): https://www.adultswim.com/videos/china-il/surfer-god

Its kinda stoner humor fundamentally but tbh I think the show is fucking hilarious and this episode is one of the funniest all around

Found it and watched it. Not the kind of show I would usually watch but there were some funny parts, like I thought the takeoffs on the Beach Boy’s songs were like right on, I laughed hard when they did “God Only Knows”. Also was laughing because my college was UCI.

Serious question tho bessie, I need to know ASAP if you are even remotely considering trustfalling with me this phase. We have like just under a day and a half until deadline and Im giving you right of first refusal to trust fall with me

If you are not interested please tell me ASAP so I can refocus on other potential matches. Right now Im strongly considering moody. I def think EGW would be pure as well but for removal economy reasons I dont think its super optimal to go that route and I think EGW will agree. Would certainly be better than randing the fall tho

I would trust fall with you if we don’t have any other candidates. I wouldn’t mind leaving the game because I feel that already I haven’t had the time to play the way I like playing, but will do what the majority wants.

Yep just joking with yah, I understand the risk, I'm full avoid Randoms going at all cost

care to try a real answer then? There is infact a single worst case outcome and it can be calculated. Atleast according to the plain language of the rules as written

You should be able to get that I know from my joke post, the worst case is pretty obvious. I find it kinda odd your harping on this much.

But yes, I'm in favor if we haven't had a pair before like 30 minutes before deadline, whoevers online should just vote each other.

I will be online at deadline and will vote for Heury if there are no other votes to ensure an elimination.

Hi George sorry I can’t talk tonight maybe tomorrow. I need to get some sleep.

Bessie when can we expect a quick reads list from you?

Total gut feelings at this point in the thread without any rereads.

Woof
bessie
Makhaira
moody
EGW
Heury
Kay
Bop
Deadbananas
somitomi
Greedy
Grr

Ordered list but not especially strong.

[EGW]

I'm reading through tales to get a better picture of yours and Bop's thoughts. Hopefully can get day 1 done, then will have to take a break for a bit, but will come back. I felt the same way on their lack of presence until the reads list. I want to determine if that was similar in tales, and compare reasoning on the lists.

Do note that he evaded my questioning referring to why he didn't do a deep dive, but instead said "I guess I'll post a reads list before EOD" instead.

[KayJayQueue]

I will be online at deadline and will vote for Heury if there are no other votes to ensure an elimination

I’m hugely against this. Please (everyone) we need to figure out what to do today.

I’m trusting EGW here on this read in case I’m overly paranoid but is somi/bananas viable for anyone?

[EGW]

That's good with me.

[moody7277]

I'm mostly sure at this point any objections to EGW's read of me will go directly in the OMGUS bin at this point, but I think he's citing the wrong game for the case he's trying to make. He wasn't in it, but Madge's Time Travelers game was the one where scum!me lost interest and gave up. The sad thing is that I'm still mostly sure he's town doing this because any promises scum!EGW would extract on the way to being trusted enough to fall would go by the wayside once he flipped.

[Bop]

I'd prefer to get more time to read DB(that they're willing to dig into another game says a lot and they're worth a re-read, probably would end up in my middle section by now) but

I will be online at deadline and will vote for Heury if there are no other votes to ensure an elimination

I’m hugely against this. Please (everyone) we need to figure out what to do today.

I agree that I don't want the heury/bessie to go through. I'd prefer a EGW/Somi of our likely options regardless of his souring on me and full denial of moody.

On the italized, thats actually really fucking useful, and makes me feel better about you a lot lol, i should've thought to ask

Why does that make you feel better? How do you feel about what I have said of Moody?

I think town more likely checks that with seven, and updates people on it.

I have verified it as well now.

I'm reading through tales

Wow you've already got "let me verify with the mod also" before hitting mid Day 3 of tales

[moody7277]

I will be online at deadline and will vote for Heury if there are no other votes to ensure an elimination

I’m hugely against this. Please (everyone) we need to figure out what to do today.

I’m trusting EGW here on this read in case I’m overly paranoid but is somi/bananas viable for anyone?

I'd be more comfortable with you and somi taking the plunge than DB.

[EGW]

I'm mostly sure at this point any objections to EGW's read of me will go directly in the OMGUS bin at this point, but I think he's citing the wrong game for the case he's trying to make. He wasn't in it, but Madge's Time Travelers game was the one where scum!me lost interest and gave up. The sad thing is that I'm still mostly sure he's town doing this because any promises scum!EGW would extract on the way to being trusted enough to fall would go by the wayside once he flipped.

I'm not citing the wrong game. Check this quote in response to me asking you to move your vote and for some thoughts:

Since that was a RV, it was more likely than not to be moved anyway. I do have a few other town reads, so narrowing the list of votables. My thoughts on heury are following the path with the common result of him being miselimed D1, so I will be deferring a vote on him. Plan is to do a deep dive and come up with a firm vote tomorrow evening and Saturday. unvote

[moody7277]

I'm saying the game that better illustrates the point you're trying to make (scum!me getting frustrated with losing and rage quitting) is not Tales, it's Madge's Halloween game.

[EGW]

Then answer this, why have you been so evasive with responding to Somi this game?

[KayJayQueue]

I’m not voting today. I think I can figure this out and I know I have the WIM for it and I don’t know if others can say the same.

[EGW]

I want to remind everyone that Bop is also a strong player and only was caught in our last game due to a mechanical error. He was top town there. I think it's odd that Bop would put Moody in the same section as myself and Kay, Moody felt townie early in the game but not enough that he would be close to top town. Then it felt weird for him to say that Moody is playing similarly to that game, when he isn't. Why do him and I see something different here? Alignment. I almost town read him based on his play here but it's enough to just pass as a safe option. Besides that, he is playing just fine. I'm not liking that he went into a whole breakdown in response to my asking to talk about Moody.

[moody7277]

Then answer this, why have you been so evasive with responding to Somi this game?

Summary: After the first post cited, I don't think I was being "evasive" about somi, I just wasn't going into as deep an analysis of it as somi was trying to dig for. It's also not something I'd normally expect him to be doing; getting reactions from an opening bit of weirdness is more BoomFrog's schtick.

viewtopic.php?p=92788#p92788

Post here looks most like the pure blow-off you're implying. I figure the DB mistake has been concluded by most people to be NAI, and can laughingly get past it to more relevant content.

viewtopic.php?p=92909#p92909

Post here in response to somi's follow up, giving more mechanical and meta reasons for slanting DB off the mistake

viewtopic.php?p=93004#p93004

Post here in response to somi citing Seven's choice of formatting the thread as why DB made the mistake explaining the mechanical reason from last post

viewtopic.php?p=93072#p93072

Post here where I figure I've fully answered on this issue

[EGW]

Well, my opinion is that, but what I really wanted to figure out (although never asked you properly) is what, in your mind, makes the difference between deadbananas and me or EGW making the same mistake.
And of course I would like to hear how their subsequent posting has tempered your opinion, thanks for the offer

Given that the analysis skills of Mak and EGW are in such high demand and everyone reading them as town would make for a better endgame, it looks as if I were to be one of the two falling out D1 it would likely be with Bop or somi.

[EGW]

This is an example of you not responding to Somi, I had to poke you after that for you to respond.

[Bop]

Then it felt weird for him to say that Moody is playing similarly to that game, when he isn't.

Oh god I blocked out day 1 tales (handshake related trauma) but I give this question to you(bc I'm honestly curious). If you agree with me that this behavior rings true for the days after he was confirmed (Tales Day 2-5), but not before (Tales Day One), why are you weighting Day 1 as more critical to compare to than the days after?

Today is day 1, so it makes sense to compare that to that Day 1. Also he had no idea he'd be confirmed town that game, that was by pure chance. So it is natural to compare his day 1 there to here. So, he doesn't post as much during him being confirmed town, and compare that to here... but he isn't confirmed town here. I think being confirmed town allows a player to do whatever they like without fear of being suspected. But here the only reason I can surmise is due to being scum who doesn't have the desire to sort.

Emphasis mine. You all but conceded that Moody in 4 days of that game had behavior were similar to here, so He is playing how he did for 80% of that game, just not on the day you would like. I'm willing to consider day one differences here, but you're fully refusing the rest of that game. This feels like tunnel vision to me(not in a scummy way just in a puzzling it out way).

I'm not liking that he went into a whole breakdown in response to my asking to talk about Moody.

Walk me through this. You'd have preferred I had done less looking into it?

[Deadbananas0]

tales day 1 skim

viewtopic.php?p=84588&hilit=mood*#p84588 - bop saying moody has been giving explicit opinions
viewtopic.php?p=84662&hilit=mood*#p84662 - Moody getting asked about about not posting early gut reads
Moody posted list the same day, 8 hours later viewtopic.php?p=84706#p84706 -notably didn't acknowledge Laser's poke

this post is just funny because it's moody's signature! - viewtopic.php?p=84732&hilit=mood*#p84732

Bessie calls moody more reserved -viewtopic.php?p=84816&hilit=mood*#p84816
Moody def seems more involved in the thread, wants to get deadline moved back so they can participate
Answers questions pretty fast - viewtopic.php?p=84876#p84876 viewtopic.php?p=84939#p84939

From the post here viewtopic.php?p=92914#p92914, I didn't think you had made that same mistake, and I'm not sure where somi said he thought bessie wasn't playing. deadbananas OTOH posted a couple of different times, so it appeared to me he was the only one who thought that which made it a lot more weird. Also with familiarity about you're play style, I'm a lot more forgiving of early game weirdness.

I think your impression of "low engagement" is being influenced by the fact I didn't post at all Friday. That's on me. I seem to be one of the favorites to fall out D1, mostly because as I pointed out and bessie pointed out that I pointed out, I would not be an asset to town at the end. That last fall D3 for a perfect town win should be the two towniest town (which at this point look to be you and Mak). That being said, I guess I can cobble together a full detailed reads list before the EOD.

Given that the analysis skills of Mak and EGW are in such high demand and everyone reading them as town would make for a better endgame, it looks as if I were to be one of the two falling out D1 it would likely be with Bop or somi.

I agree with yall on these posts, specifically the underlined sections I don't like.

deadbananas - slight town read on heury and Greedy from their openings, laughing at heury as a scumtell, reads list with heury and Greedy townie, me and EGW scum, response to Mak about whether Bessie should complete the fall with heury, next post with scenario of scum!bessie delaying it, recognizing EGW from another forum tempers his read of him, second reads list with somi, heury, Kay town, me and Greedy scum, pushing hard for Bessie to fall out with heury, posts collection of others' reads, plan to fall with EGW gets rejected, decides Bop-somi is a good pair for D1.

DB's thinking is on a completely different tack than mine (i.e. he's perfectly fine with heury and Greedy's opening weirdness), that's NAI. Pushing to have Bessie complete the fall with heury does follow from his POV, but Cynical View thinks that just makes the solve [heury, DB]. I'm okay with his reads of somi and Bop. +0.5

The underlined sections are also wrong here. I didn't plan to fall with EGW, I planned to vote EGW, and Bop somi was my plan before that.

For EGW on somi question, I agree it's odd, but in their defense, that questions was hidden in a decently long post without a question mark, but I would have expected an acknowledgment after the ping. I think Moody isn't reading very carefully, I've done the same, not sure how I'd make an alignment judgement on it, I agree that I am not comfortable with a Moody exit today.

Another concern I have is you placing Moody in the same section as myself and Kay, and then pushing him as a candidate to fall compared to Somi.

Why is this a concern for you? Moody was higher on their reads list so it makes sense they would want Moody to fall over somi?

Fair concern when you don't trust him! Although, again, last game proved that you and I can read things pretty differently even when directly private chat level working together. And I put him above Somi but I'm on the record as fine if Somi falls generally-I maintain that I'm happy with my big 4 I'm just in the situation that 2/4 of them want to stay to solve and a 1/4 is mostly mistrusted.

This feels wrong, I'd be upset for the reason I mentioned above. Need to think about this. Sadly gotta take a step away from the game for a bit, gotta get some life stuff done so I can be online closer to deadline.