Trust Fall Mafia - Day 1

[GreedyBanger]

I've played dozens of these games with Kay and she does NOT enjoy being scum. The rationale of "Hey i'd fall with you but i dont wanna stop playing so soon" is almost certainly coming from town sided Kay. It seems enough people in the game trust her that she will fall out at some point so i am not worried about the slot.

Thank you. What's your response to this post in terms of Kay's assessment on you: post

I think its a reasonable thought for town Kay to have, I think if Kay was scum she'd be more likely to try and pocket me and fall out than actually try and sort me. I don't really feel self conscious in terms of how my opener was perceived really. I think I have to be less committal to bits in this environment because yall do not know me. I can't go quite as gung ho in an environment where I do not have meta to point at as on brand as town.

[GreedyBanger]

Also gutcheck reaction to EGW is very town. See's a player sort of low efforting on the outside, in the lower half of most peoples reads and they want to engage and sort me in a non combative way, quote replying to make sure I see it and then trying to live interact with me. Sort of feels like scum could just hope i'd stay frozen out and not be a fall candidate all game (this won't happen but EGW can't really know that).

[GreedyBanger]

If I've missed anything that needs directly responded to feel free to tag me about it, i'm about to go to bed but i'm not actively trying to ignore anything.

[EGW]

That's a good response. I have no other questions, although would like to see at least one scumread from you when you have a chance, before Day 2.

[somitomi]

Poor Kay, either top town read or bottom scum read for most people in this game, with not a lot of explanation, I don't envy that position.

Somi, from your posts, I know you agree with Kay's logic posts on bessie/heury, and mentioned the paranoia there, is that your main reasoning, or is there anything else?

Also, sorry, what does the yeah, all right category mean? Neutral?

More-or-less yeah, a lot of Kays posts felt rather mindmeldy and I like how open she was about playing scum in the previous instance, I think scum would've tried to use that position of the "expert" for their advantage instead of backing out of it.
And yes, the "all right" category is a mild townlean based on the absence of anything suspicious or odd

I don’t think I’m voting anyone today but it’d probably be somi if I was forced.

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Although I don't feel inclined (or entitled) to vote today either.

So your conclusion is that I am unfairly scumreading deadbananas due to an honest mistake on their part starting off the game? A lot of their content since then has washed out any initial peculiarities my read on him had.

Well, my opinion is that, but what I really wanted to figure out (although never asked you properly) is what, in your mind, makes the difference between deadbananas and me or EGW making the same mistake.
And of course I would like to hear how their subsequent posting has tempered your opinion, thanks for the offer

On fading into background vs standing out:
Accuse me of bias for how I've playing, but im going to come out against the consensus again on this one. I think its a totally valid scum strategy to chill in the background this game, there is no risk of chillers being normal voted out day 1, which often happens in most games. Instead they can let a few obv town people pair up, and let other louder town draw attention and make mistakes, as any town is likely to do, and point to that in the endgame. Just my two thoughts.

I guess the mathematical chances do improve for scum as the game goes on and an apparent lack of interest in leaving could work to their advantage.

yeah its all dayplay and all kinda like pro LAMIST because mafia can't punish you going turbo mode townie with an NK, they just have to hope you just gtfo the game or that you're pocketable

Yeah, it's kind of interesting that if mafia want someone gone their only way is convincing them to peace out.

I'm out of practice on remembering my forum games exist, as well as not feeling pressed to be townread when I am not voting today. It's not deeper than that. I'll do a deep dive slot by slot at the start of day 2 and people can get more informed opinions on me.

I wouldn't mind knowing where you're mind is right now

Also gutcheck reaction to EGW is very town. See's a player sort of low efforting on the outside, in the lower half of most peoples reads and they want to engage and sort me in a non combative way, quote replying to make sure I see it and then trying to live interact with me. Sort of feels like scum could just hope i'd stay frozen out and not be a fall candidate all game (this won't happen but EGW can't really know that).

I'm inclined to agree and I like the tone of this response

[EGW]

I guess the mathematical chances do improve for scum as the game goes on and an apparent lack of interest in leaving could work to their advantage.

Yet we can control who flip, as long as people don't deviate. Usually mafia control that pace with night kills, but they don't have that leverage in this game. So I'm curious what pairs you are comfortable with.

[KayJayQueue]

I like greedy’s responses except the part where he forgot about the game but that’s just because I’m self centered and want to believe a game with me would be higher on his priorities list since we haven’t gotten to play together in months and I want to feel important lol

[KayJayQueue]

I think the person I’m finding it hardest to fully understand their development around multiple slots is deadbananas and this is probably only because there’s more content to digest than others. That being said, I don’t have a great grasp on heury or moody right now and greedy is just a vibes feel since not much content has been produced outside of townreading me which is easy for him to fall back on if scum. So I’m not going to let it decide much for me yet.

It probably has to do with the opinion on me. I’m fixated on it because it’s about me and I’m me, so I care. Thr progress being: townleans me, reiterates that nothing has changed minus a small bump up for liking somi yet turns around and comes up with a “viable” scum team involving me from their pov which then doesn’t really work with the previous stated read. It’s just confusing and I’m wondering if it’s actual town paranoia or if it’s trying to instill paranoia about me in others or just keeping me as a target to sus. I can’t quite figure it out.

[Deadbananas0]

tbh if bessie explicitly denies any interest in trust falling with me today, I think I would be willing to go for moody here

TBH, given a little more time, Moody Mak is a trust fall I could surprisingly be happy with. Need to get that interaction with Mak.

I am busy af during the week and only have time to play in the late evenings, something in short spurts over my lunch break

weekends I check in during a wider timespan

Yah your totes good, I'm kinda the opposite lol. Tonight Im watching the second season of the rehearsal with some friends, got a little drinking game, but hopefully won't get to far. BTW if you want to see a man toy with the lives of mortals, Nathan Fielder in the rehearsal is that.

If you are town, I think this is very good. I'm good with Somi + Bop. I can't deny that this is a town tell. You have a good night.

ScumBananas is mildly upset you don't think this would be very good for him as well


this and this post I really like from Mak Just logic ways lines up with some of my thoughts on background/reactive play I mentioned in my reads list.

Bessie I know your busy, I feel bad asking questions since I know you'll catch up, but, outside of out of game reasons, what would be your chosen time to leave the game? Since I think if you are around tomorrow, almost everyone would think you are like 99% town not worth risking, would you think leaving then would be best, or later?

Ask me all the questions you want! I am a very reactive player so it’s easier for me to generate content if I have something to which to react! In general I have a townie meta and if people think I’m town, I should stick around for at least another day because I think it would be most beneficial to town to get someone with a scummier meta out of the game early. [Reference: an earlier post by moody that I don’t have time to go back and look for now.] However, I don’t think I should go to endgame because I have a notoriously bad record of choosing wrong when I’m in the three-way gunfight at the end.

Thanks Bessie. For the record, I agree on the scummy meta out first part. Whats your thoughts on Bopp, when you get the time? In specific, do you know anything about Bop's meta? Additionally, of a Somi + Bop pair or a Moody + Mak pair, which you would prefer today? Mix and Match? Something else entirely?


on greedy, I also like greedy's responses, but I'm not sure if I'd sort them differently? They were definitely better than what we had previously, but like, still total I'm probably scum on them for now? They indicate sort themselves out later, so probably fine.

I'm out of practice on remembering my forum games exist, as well as not feeling pressed to be townread when I am not voting today. It's not deeper than that. I'll do a deep dive slot by slot at the start of day 2 and people can get more informed opinions on me.

Greedy, I get not feeling pressed about being townread today, but are you comfortable with the current people likely to leave today? It feels odd to not really have an opinion at all on trying to analyze people today just because you aren't leaving, especially if you think people are broadly making a mistake on you.

On somi, I continue to still like somi again, we will ignore my dip in confidence earlier, glide over it like the sands as time, I have always been unabashedly pro somi and no one can change that. We agree on your first response to greedy, felt very similar to my logic. And thanks for the reply about kay and your list.

I think the person I’m finding it hardest to fully understand their development around multiple slots is deadbananas and this is probably only because there’s more content to digest than others. That being said, I don’t have a great grasp on heury or moody right now and greedy is just a vibes feel since not much content has been produced outside of townreading me which is easy for him to fall back on if scum. So I’m not going to let it decide much for me yet.

It probably has to do with the opinion on me. I’m fixated on it because it’s about me and I’m me, so I care. Thr progress being: townleans me, reiterates that nothing has changed minus a small bump up for liking somi yet turns around and comes up with a “viable” scum team involving me from their pov which then doesn’t really work with the previous stated read. It’s just confusing and I’m wondering if it’s actual town paranoia or if it’s trying to instill paranoia about me in others or just keeping me as a target to sus. I can’t quite figure it out.

Don't worry about not being able to understand it, I don't fully myself. Honestly its originally just due to other people being townier IMO.
But I've put thought to it, and its not fair to you to just say i put you in a likely scum pairing, BUT I CANT SAY WHY MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Kay conundrum

So besides PoE. I think I've solidified those earlier pinging messages you had with Bessie, as well as some other things into the cause of my unease.
I think in general, there is almost nothing more scum hates than being scumread for what they perceive as the wrong/stupid reasons. I think you have this a bit with Bessie putting your points lowest for A stupid mistake I lead, and claiming town, something you probably often do. That is what lead to what I see as an overreaction to Bessie's minor posts. Further, I'm going to kind of bring up your reaction to Heury pinged similar, but that one is more of a stretch because I think you are competent as well, I totally get being offended by that, even if there probably wasn't any malice involved. I also think you had the same reaction to my post here (also has the bessie quotes). I think I also don't like you waffling on my slot This isn't very strong, and town also hates being scumread for stupid reasons. You wouldn't be my choice to fall today, but ultimately, almost everyone else in the game likes your slot so far, so maybe I'm just wrong, and I'll only fight back slightly if your chosen today, especially since EGW's and Bop's points on you do hit home... i'm honestly a bit lost currently, my stance has kinda shifted on EGW, greedy i still don't like but it def looked better....Mak is fine, Bessie's isn't in consideration, Moody shot up, Somi is very townie, same with Bop, Heury I've been rock solid on the whole game, like it could just be as easy as them and I'm vastly overthinking it? I just, don't think so? Leaves me with a real conundrum.

If I magically get mod killed by Seven and flip town right now, excluding yourself, whats your top pair?

[Deadbananas0]

Bop, your top 2 town reads have both indicated they would like to stay in the game longer, who do you pair up otherwise? You can put yourself in if you want. Would it just be you + moody, or somi + moody? Whats your thoughts on Mak + Moody, you seem appropriately paranoid of Mak, but if they were both willing, would you trust it?

[KayJayQueue]

If I magically get mod killed by Seven and flip town right now, excluding yourself, whats your top pair?

Somi/EGW

For the record: there’s nothing town!Kay hates more than being scumread. So while scum doesn’t like being scumread for the wrong reasons, you’ll find that using that logic on me will not yield correct results lol

[Deadbananas0]

Ladies, Gentlmen, Tombstones, bears, dogs and odd square picture things?

Welcome to^{THE VICTORY ZONE}_{THE VICTORY ZONE}

Look. I know what you all are thinking. "Deadbananas, you've typed so fucking much already, and most people scumread you! Why would anyone ever listen to your victory zone plans! "
And I get it I really do, growing pains of trying to get better at town and the like, but I beseech you to not let my rambling go to waste. I think through all this interaction, and a little bit of craziness, I've got a decent grasp of the town, and I think we have a really good chance at winning this thing. Do I know who scum is? No fucking shot, but town, town I think I know.

The hard part is tonight, but if we can pull it off, and get two townies gone tonight, then I think we are in really good shape to win the game. For my part, I currently think Bop + Somi is the safest play, but I'm hoping some other options develop as we pass through to saturday.

From there, I am very inclined to vote Heury tomorrow, if he will have me. I know, I know, you don't like this, but I think its strictly beneficial, here's why. A. If we are s/s you don't have to worry about it, and most people don't like my read of Heury. B. I'm probably not leaving with anyone else lets be fucking real, if we fuck up along the way, you don't want me, with my read on Heury in a LYLO situation, I don't want to throw the game, so I'd ofc be cautious on it, but if you think I'm liable to fuck up on this, better I do it sooner rather than later no? If you believe im scum and Heury is town...does anyone believe this? Besides maybe Heury? Guess I don't have a good counter to this one.

Then, I think by then we have a very easy final layup thanks to Bessie's existence, with Heury gone and hopefully flipped town, if Bessie is still around now, they are basically guaranteed town, or they deserve to win the game IMO. I'd probably encourage them to choose EGW if the above case happened, but I have faith in them. Though, Bessie has mentioned they would want to leave earlier, since they may make a mistake at the end. This is where my most bold and ambitious proposal comes in.

Ahem.

I know my EGW read is... all over the place. But I'm really coming around on them being town. Most of literally everyone I've seen in the game also town reads them. So, as I am not fully around on them, I would like to trust the great town member in this forum with a gambit.

I vote EGW today. With no expectation they vote me in return, this would be purely to solidify a stronger town reading on EGW, since they plan to last longer as town, and I think having them being more clear would be helpful in trusting their reads, and making for a good final day decision, in bessie EGW, two people who could have left the game earlier.

There are risks to this plan namely:
1. EGW is scum and leaves - Always a risk, but in this case, we get a deepwolf out, as well as a person they were pushing (me) who is likely to be a dead(pun intended) slot for town in that no one will trust fall me.
2. EGW and I are S/S - does anyone think this? Besides maybe Heury again? This is what I mean by the benefits to all my posting and fighting with EGW, being able to be used as a benefit.
3. EGW is scum, and is able to get his scum partner out today, then looks clear because he didn't accept me - similar to my paranoia on bessie Heury, but this time slightly less likely in my mind because we actually have reads to go on.


I would like as many people as possible to tell me if I should or not, and I will keep a public count of people's votes on this plan for EGW voting. At the very least this gives us some info, on who wants EGW cleared, and who doesn't. I'd say the deadline is saturday morning / late friday night for this, to be able to get done as to not distract too much from actually finding a good pair who do intend to leave today, which is more important.

[EGW]

I know my EGW read is... all over the place. But I'm really coming around on them being town. Most of literally everyone I've seen in the game also town reads them. So, as I am not fully around on them, I would like to trust the great town member in this forum with a gambit.

The gambit is not necessary. I am coming around to you being town as well. I think trying to work with me even though you had doubts of my slot, was pro-town. I see that you are lost, and I suggest giving the thread some time, while re-reading the thread and going from there. You and I have given plenty of content, but it's important we get more content from others today, especially Bessie, who I expect will give some reads tonight.

[Bop]

Re Deadbanana's EGW town gambit-plenty of players already have indicated trust for EGW. He wouldn't really need the extra "this would help clear me" and him turning it down honestly sells him to me more already so it halfway already worked. I do love the presentation of it.

Bop, your top 2 town reads have both indicated they would like to stay in the game longer, who do you pair up otherwise? You can put yourself in if you want. Would it just be you + moody, or somi + moody? Whats your thoughts on Mak + Moody, you seem appropriately paranoid of Mak, but if they were both willing, would you trust it?

I do think I'd want Mak to stick around a bit longer. I'd def rather Somi/Moody than Mak/Moody. Again though, if Mak and Moody were both willing, it wouldn't really matter if I trust it. (Very "Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?") If I were going of the options you presented I'd prefer with Moody vs Somi but that's not strong. I'm not mad at any mix of my top four leaving but you're correct that my two most trusted don't want to (which helps my trusting in turn)

I have plans that are up in the air tonight(about 6 or so hours from now) so I may or may not be able to check in until late. I do know the end of day is fast approaching and will try to dig more into things I've already read and hopefully get some questions of my own going.

[Deadbananas0]

Ahh you guys are ruining my fun. But fair enough.

Yes:
No: Egw, Bop

And heard EGW, I'll mainly try and just update vote counter and read aggregate numbers today. While getting a re-read in.

Re Bop:
Thanks for your thoughts, for my part, I think its important, even if you don't have a direct say in the pairing, to give thoughts so A. The people involved can have higher confidence or doubts and B. So we can get a record of what people would be willing to go with/ pushed back on. If kay and greedy got together and I protested it hard, then both flipped town, that would give info on me.

[heuristically_alone]

From there, I am very inclined to vote Heury tomorrow, if he will have me. I know, I know, you don't like this, but I think its strictly beneficial, here's why. A. If we are s/s you don't have to worry about it, and most people don't like my read of Heury. B. I'm probably not leaving with anyone else lets be fucking real, if we fuck up along the way, you don't want me, with my read on Heury in a LYLO situation, I don't want to throw the game, so I'd ofc be cautious on it, but if you think I'm liable to fuck up on this, better I do it sooner rather than later no? If you believe im scum and Heury is town...does anyone believe this? Besides maybe Heury? Guess I don't have a good counter to this one.

A romantic gesture. I am flattered. However I believe town should come to a consensus who the votes should be each day to avoid scum from pocketing. And my top two reads town reads are bessie and EGW, though at this point don't have high hopes I'd get a return vote but currently the only players I'm confident enough to vote myself.

[Bop]

Thanks for your thoughts, for my part, I think its important, even if you don't have a direct say in the pairing, to give thoughts so A. The people involved can have higher confidence or doubts and B. So we can get a record of what people would be willing to go with/ pushed back on. If kay and greedy got together and I protested it hard, then both flipped town, that would give info on me.

No I agree better to get everyone's opinions out there bc that and flips are all we have to go off of in the coming days (and I do appreciate the active questioning on it! Relate to bessie's sentiment that I'm a lot better at being reactive) it's just funny that 8 players could disagree on a pairing and it wouldn't matter mechanically.

[Deadbananas0]

A romantic gesture. I am flattered. However I believe town should come to a consensus who the votes should be each day to avoid scum from pocketing. And my top two reads town reads are bessie and EGW, though at this point don't have high hopes I'd get a return vote but currently the only players I'm confident enough to vote myself.

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Understandable. Continue on.

And ah that makes sense Bop.

[Deadbananas0]

Also Heury, your top pair you would like today, as similar to Bop your top town I don't think are willing to go today, or you would want in Bessie's case.

[Makhaira]

holy shit I did not expect bessie to be the one to get this

have you actually seen the show??? or was this through detective work hahaha

true to my word I will trustfall with you at any point you wish

Unfortunately just good detective work. I looked for this episode online so I could watch it, but the only way seems to be to buy a subscription to Adult Swim. I found one episode I could buy on AppleTV and I think 5 episodes I could watch is I signed up in a different app but none of them were Surfer God.

nice detective work! I was curious to see who if anyone would actually try to figure it out if no one in the game had actually seen the show haha

I actually think surfer god is one of the free episodes on the adult swin website, you should be able to just stream it for free there (but with ads): https://www.adultswim.com/videos/china-il/surfer-god

Its kinda stoner humor fundamentally but tbh I think the show is fucking hilarious and this episode is one of the funniest all around

Serious question tho bessie, I need to know ASAP if you are even remotely considering trustfalling with me this phase. We have like just under a day and a half until deadline and Im giving you right of first refusal to trust fall with me

If you are not interested please tell me ASAP so I can refocus on other potential matches. Right now Im strongly considering moody. I def think EGW would be pure as well but for removal economy reasons I dont think its super optimal to go that route and I think EGW will agree. Would certainly be better than randing the fall tho

[Makhaira]

If people can be aware we need a falling pair by tomorrow. I have no interest in being in it but arbitrary falls do not favour town.

Dont worry already brought this up and mod confirmed deadline is tomorrow night

shit 7:10 PM PDT I think by the timestamp of sevens post

Let’s go with this, yes. My apologies for the haphazard deadline. I struggle with numeric time since I don’t perceive time linearly.

The Deadline is Saturday @ 7:10 PM PDT. I’ll put a countdown timer in the OP.

[Makhaira]

Anyone who wants to get some headway on pocketing me can point out the absolute worst case scenario of a rand fall btw to prove youre using your town POV thinking cap!

[Makhaira]

I think bop and bananas are going to take more time to sort and dont think either of them should be in the fall this phase

[Makhaira]

I like greedys recent posts but I dont think any of that is out of range for him but def moves the needle a little more protown on his slot for me

[Makhaira]

I think we should do a pair of either me EGW or Kay with either bessie or moody this phase

We dont pair me egw or kay unless we are desperate and at deadline IMO