Trust Fall Mafia - Day 1

[KayJayQueue]

Jk on the last bit

You gave me a heart attack.

[heuristically_alone]

heury fess up if you're scum right now or I'm releasing all your scum secrets from our scumchat in darkest dungeon that half this game doesnt already have totally unfettered access to

Not much of a secret haha. Fortunately I'm happy to report I am town. And things posts pings me right now. Feels like mak is trying to pocket me

[heuristically_alone]

For sure, from my pov, if I exclude Bessie Heury, and myself these are my pairs:

Somi - Kay

BOP -Mak

Then I'm left with a pool of Moody, Greedy, and EGW?

Of all those I'd pair up with prolly EGW, at this point, ofc reads would change throughout days, but I'd rather substitute Bessie in for Kay any day myself.

I'm open to the idea of waiting till day 2 on it now, I think somi's post that initially confused me actually made me think a bit more, and Day 2 Bessie is >>> town than Day 1 bessie IMO now. Open to others thoughts on this.

Very towny post. This is a great mindset way of ruling out and selecting trust posts.

do we think its at all possible that scum!heury didnt realize he'd be locked and is just rolling with it now so its less of a gambit than we thought?

Are you suggesting I don't read the rules 100% to completion?!?!?!?!

Town
Bessie
EGW
Moody
Somitomi
Bop
Deadbanana
Greedy
Mak
Jay
KayJayQueue
Scum

[EGW]

Heury, why haven't you treated my slot as you did in the previous game when I pushed you?

Your logic on me and sabrar and me as scum mates is so absolutely purely illogical and makes zero sense. I literally don't believe you could ever actually believe that was true. I refuse to believe you're that unintelligent.

[KayJayQueue]

For sure, from my pov, if I exclude Bessie Heury, and myself these are my pairs:

Somi - Kay

BOP -Mak

Then I'm left with a pool of Moody, Greedy, and EGW?

Of all those I'd pair up with prolly EGW, at this point, ofc reads would change throughout days, but I'd rather substitute Bessie in for Kay any day myself.

I'm open to the idea of waiting till day 2 on it now, I think somi's post that initially confused me actually made me think a bit more, and Day 2 Bessie is >>> town than Day 1 bessie IMO now. Open to others thoughts on this.

Very towny post. This is a great mindset way of ruling out and selecting trust posts.

do we think its at all possible that scum!heury didnt realize he'd be locked and is just rolling with it now so its less of a gambit than we thought?

Are you suggesting I don't read the rules 100% to completion?!?!?!?!

Town
Bessie
EGW
Moody
Somitomi
Bop
Deadbanana
Greedy
Mak
Jay
KayJayQueue
Scum

Okay I’ll bite - why do you think I’m scum?

[heuristically_alone]

Because that game I purposefully tried to play more belligerent. And also I don't necessarily disagree with your logic this time. You're asking all the right questions and giving a proper analysis of each of the options as you should. However last game there was literally zero chance sabrar and I were mates in that scenario.

[heuristically_alone]

About time I got around to this post. I am town aligned, a 2 shot vig when gets a private chat with those I "devour" when or they're dead. No clue what Id use this chat for. If I do ideally kill mafia, there is no point in talking to them. If I kill town, I'd be too embarrassed and ashamed to talk to them. I suppose they could convey to me any actions they used that hasn't been shared. This game I want to be purposefully confrontational. I've gone a little too light and joking with that then I meant. We'll see how it goes.

My first goejoe post from tales game.

[bessie]

Sorry but this will be a brief daily bark. I got home late because Hoku has an ear infection and I needed to buy some ear cleaner after work, and I’ve just spent half an hour chasing him around and trying to clean out his ears and had to change clothes because I had ear cleaning fluid all over me. (For those of you that don’t know me yet, Hoku is a 100 pound Labrador Retriever that runs on jet fuel.)

I think you should factor in that this was more of confusion rather than not reading the Day 1 begins post. I did see it, however upon seeing discussion of you seemingly not being in the game, I went to double check the first post, which did not have you in the playerlist, and instead had Wam in it. Which I then thought, hmm, I don't see Bessie signing up in this thread, so then thought you possibly were not in the game. What are your thoughts with that in mind, Bessie? Also good to see you again.

I think its interesting that you and others did not think to check both player lists. I have not had time to think about it so I don’t have any further analysis at this time.

Bessie, you also didn’t like gims claiming town immediately in the last game and he was town. We are from the same site, maybe it’s just our quirk that we are over eager to claim our alignment.

You can give me negative points for being stupid but I don’t think your system works well for those of us that came here from the same site if you’re always going to be upset that we jump the claim gun lol

The early claiming thing is something just I find suspicious, and it’s an area where most people don’t agree with me. I clash with both LaserGuy and Seven over this in like every game, as they generally feel early claims are townie. My viewpoint on early claiming is that it goes against the spirit of the game. You’ll probably see me discuss this a lot if you play with us for a while.

Thank you Heury for your trust! I would like to vote you right away but I don’t want to deny the other players a full game Day of my exceptional scumhunting abilities, so I will put this on hold until closer to deadline.

Can you explain why you'd like to vote Heury right away, out of curiosity.

IRL reasons. I’m super busy which is why I didn’t initially sign up for this game. I have a sick family member, and I’ve been working long hours because we had a couple people leave, and we laid off a few others.

Bessie is going to hate me, half my personality is talking about why I’m town or how town I am because I always assume I’m so obvious when apparently I’m not. And I get belligerent about it sometimes. I’m not good at change so this might not end well lol

Hahaha, I am enjoying playing with you exactly as you are! If I had to play with a bunch of other people that were like me I would get annoyed with them very quickly!

Now if only someone could teach me how to just quote the section I highlight rather than having to delete every other part of the post!

This would be so useful but I don’t think there is a way.

whatupppppppp bromigos

anyone who knows what my new (and technically old) avatar is from gets to pocket me for free

you can prove it by filling in the other 9 commandments (#1 is free for anyone who remembers my last ava)

commandment #1 is 100% the move here btw, we just gotta beat the rand elim timer, so lets kick back and experience the magic

1. Chill.
2. Don’t give up on your dreams.
3. Experience the magic.
4. All’s you gotta do is believe.
5. I’m lovin it.
6. Trust me, dude.
7. Kill your parents.
8. Go to the next level, become gods!
9. Resurrect parents (just testing ya before).
10. Don’t rape.

got your pocket ready.png (117.98 KiB) Viewed 138 times

bessie, is the LOTR core pure?

Imma gonna have to say no. I had a recent LOTR trust fall in a mafia game and got totally pocketed by scum.



And sorry everyone but I have a doctor appointment in the morning but I should have more time tomorrow night.

[KayJayQueue]

Imma gonna have to say no. I had a recent LOTR trust fall in a mafia game and got totally pocketed by scum.

Same. What a jerk!

[EGW]

I think its interesting that you and others did not think to check both player lists. I have not had time to think about it so I don’t have any further analysis at this time.

The norm is to have one playerlist, in the OP. First ever time that a game has been merged with sign ups that I have seen lately. Not only that, the second player list is deep under sign up posts, again not the norm. So I only checked the OP out of pure habit.

[KayJayQueue]

I think its interesting that you and others did not think to check both player lists. I have not had time to think about it so I don’t have any further analysis at this time.

The norm is to have one playerlist, in the OP. First ever time that a game has been merged with sign ups that I have seen lately. Not only that, the second player list is deep under sign up posts, again not the norm. So I only checked the OP out of pure habit.

I echo this

[Makhaira]

whatupppppppp bromigos

anyone who knows what my new (and technically old) avatar is from gets to pocket me for free

you can prove it by filling in the other 9 commandments (#1 is free for anyone who remembers my last ava)

commandment #1 is 100% the move here btw, we just gotta beat the rand elim timer, so lets kick back and experience the magic

1. Chill.
2. Don’t give up on your dreams.
3. Experience the magic.
4. All’s you gotta do is believe.
5. I’m lovin it.
6. Trust me, dude.
7. Kill your parents.
8. Go to the next level, become gods!
9. Resurrect parents (just testing ya before).
10. Don’t rape.


got your pocket ready.png

holy shit I did not expect bessie to be the one to get this

have you actually seen the show??? or was this through detective work hahaha

true to my word I will trustfall with you at any point you wish

[EGW]

true to my word I will trustfall with you at any point you wish

Can you go into your read on Bessie and Somi?

[somitomi]

EBWOP

See this makes me slightly hesitant because scum would love to turn a t/t issue into a “never vote these” which raises scum’s chances remarkably especially for end game. But that might just be paranoia. I just don’t know why s/s would do this and I don’t think Bessie would’ve agreed with it so it’d have to have just been Heury deciding to go rogue.

I wouldn't rule out Heury acting on their own incentive, but you're right, the paranoia is real

[somitomi]

Frick, I accidentally edited over my previous post with the EBWOP instead of making a new post. Here's that post as was originally intended, I apologise for the mistake.
Man, what is it with me lately. I guess gettng irregular sleep affects me more than I thought.

Catchup

I think you lost me?
To make sure I'm clear, my post referenced is about day 1 scumBessie trying to get a non-heury townie to trust fall with her on this day.

I think your talking about Bessie waiting till day 2 to try and trust fall with someone else, and I agree on your analysis there.

Ok, I am properly awake now and I was in fact the idiot.
This does mean that bessie's not quasi-cleared until the phase ends (resetting Heury's vote), so I don't think she should be in the first flip based on this

Basically, I figured it was such an out of left field mistake to make about whether a player is actually playing or not that it had to be sinister. My personal biases that probably led to that are a. the way I read the thread put the big flashy picture and the starting player list foremost when the game started and b. knowing heury well enough to know he wouldn't make the same mistake whereas deadbananas is a blank slate so far.

First, I don't see how it's a strange mistake to make, the playerlist is usually in the first post of the game thread, so it's perfectly normal to look for it there. This time the final playerlist was posted later, so we ended up with an incorrect playerlist at the top and the correct one further down the page. Case in point: two other people made the same mistake during their attempt to check if bessie was in the game.
Secondly, I can't really think of any nefarious goal deliberately making this mistake could serve.

See this makes me slightly hesitant because scum would love to turn a t/t issue into a “never vote these” which raises scum’s chances remarkably especially for end game. But that might just be paranoia. I just don’t know why s/s would do this and I don’t think Bessie would’ve agreed with it so it’d have to have just been Heury deciding to go rogue.

I wouldn't rule out Heury acting on their own incentive, but you're right, the paranoia is real

No, I think it's still possible because people were giving Bessie a town read after having heury as >rand scum. Possible that the motivation is low in the team and that could lead to such a high risk high reward gambit.

Why would motivation be low?

My brother in christ the goal here is not getting to the risky flips at all, the best game scenario is to flip the four townest towns to ever town and win.

pretty sure we only need 3 consecutive successful pure town trust falls to win? obv if one scum gets out it will take us more but if we never let scum out its only 3 to win because rules say town wins at parity iirc

Yeah, I mathed wrong and that would be six of the townest town, but it's always 3 pure flips in total to win.

bessie
Kay
Deadbananas
EGW
Moody
Greedy
Bop
Heury
somitomi

I think this is my rough ranking of like most trusted to least, top is most

What did I do?

[EGW]

Why would motivation be low?

Due to Wam replacing out during sign ups. Also, can you give some reads today?

[moody7277]

First, I don't see how it's a strange mistake to make, the playerlist is usually in the first post of the game thread, so it's perfectly normal to look for it there. This time the final playerlist was posted later, so we ended up with an incorrect playerlist at the top and the correct one further down the page.

That's where what I said about "how I read the thread" comes into play. I click the "view new posts" icon which takes me to the first new post, which at the start of the game was Seven's big splash pic and the correct list with bessie on it and directly underneath heury's goofy vote for her.

[Deadbananas0]

A bit busier today.

Quick thoughts:

+1 on interested to here Somi's reads.

I like moody explaining how they read the thread, helps me see their perspective more.



Heury, why did you leave me out to dry and not use your system to "vote" someone! I feel betrayed. Also who is Jay.



I would like to see more bop today, Bop a few questions for you, honestly more conversation starters, if you have a post or smthn your cooking up feel free to ignore these and I'll ask again after your post if they are still relevant to me:

What are your thoughts of EGW's play this game as a previous scummate?

Who are your top 3 town and why? Would you be comfortable falling with any of them? (just curious, don't want action)

Besides Heury, Greedy, and Bessie, is there anyone in this game you would strongly advocate someone trust falling with if it came up?

EGW, bringing up old news, but something was bothering me and I finally figured out what

Thank you. I believe Deadbananas is the second scum. Trying to force scum reads, instead of coming to them naturally. Also makes sense for him to prop up Heury as town while being buddies with him.

When you made this post, I thought you know kinda fair, misinterpreting me a bit, but the connections I was looking at were definitely a bit of a stretch and leaned into meta analysis more. But then you made this post

I'm going to be an asshole and state it. Wam was scum in the previous game, got elimmed. It's possible he replaced out after realizing during sign ups that he got scum and noped out. I'm not going to bank it on this, which is why I think it's important to read Bessie by her content. But I'm impatient. Regardless, highly don't think either should be voted ever.

Which feels like even more of a meta stretch to me, yet you are actually using it for scumreads?

Just trying to get an understanding of your thought process here, I like your townread of somi since its what I was looking for, even if its making me a bit nervous about that slot. Definitely want to hear Mak's thoughts as well.

For my part, I'm suspicious of people whose bottoms solely consist of the people who've been involved in odd things, I feel either town or mafia could do odd things, and its very easy to make a convincing argument without having to do any real analysis.
These people to me so far are:
Moody
EGW

[Deadbananas0]

Heury .... Also who is Jay.

I swear if you keep putting Kay twice in all your read lists and making me be the one to notice it I'm going to cry. I feel like this is intentionally trying to bait me into thinking you are scum lmao??? Theres no way you make the same mistake twice after getting called on it the first time????? What?????

[Deadbananas0]

I legit thought about not posting that you fucked up yours reads list again because townEGW would be so fucking sus of this and tbh I can see it.

Plus I really should let it last longer and see who isn't paying attention enough to peoples reads to notice. I have forsaken my oath to bessie on 10 minute waiting times this morning, and I have paid the cost.

[KayJayQueue]

Heury .... Also who is Jay.

I swear if you keep putting Kay twice in all your read lists and making me be the one to notice it I'm going to cry. I feel like this is intentionally trying to bait me into thinking you are scum lmao??? Theres no way you make the same mistake twice after getting called on it the first time????? What?????

But last time at least I was at the top. I don’t like being on the bottom lol

[KayJayQueue]

I’m about to hop on a 5 1/2 hour flight but I’ll check in on the way to work after landing. Unless I can’t sleep and buy wifi but hopefully that doesn’t happen.

Hoping for stuff from a few certain people that I need more content from to form better reads.

[Bop]

I'll do a thorough reads list/overall thoughts tonight-the last few days have been a bit busy but I know we're coming up on saturday sooner than it feels.

I would like to see more bop today, Bop a few questions for you, honestly more conversation starters, if you have a post or smthn your cooking up feel free to ignore these and I'll ask again after your post if they are still relevant to me:

What are your thoughts of EGW's play this game as a previous scummate?

I'll get to the other questions when I've got my reads out, but this one's easy.

Important to keep in mind we were multiball-aware scummates. And our strategy was not to scheme or collude much until the other scum faction was dealt with (which uh. my bad on how that went lol ). So our day chat and a lot of our posts were therefore sharing theories and thoughts about our actual scumhunting. EGW to me is matching that energy pretty heavily here, which I see as a town tell.

[EGW]

Deadbanana: I'm not stretching though? That's also not part of my reasoning for scum reading you. Using meta is fine, in fact I encourage it if it helps people read players better. You mention real analysis, can you explain what you mean by that? Also finally, why don't you see Heury's play as scum play? Why do you strongly town read it?

[EGW]

I’m about to hop on a 5 1/2 hour flight but I’ll check in on the way to work after landing. Unless I can’t sleep and buy wifi but hopefully that doesn’t happen. Hoping for stuff from a few certain people that I need more content from to form better reads.

Have a safe flight, Kay.