Trust Fall Mafia - Day 1

[moody7277]

Well, shows my sense of humor is non-Euclidean. Here I was figuring the fact she didn't speedfall with heury was what determined she was town. And this post by Mak concurs with my interpretation:

Yet mafia can vote their buddy, but cannot mechanically return a vote. Therefore it is not a lock clear, because it's possible it can be s/s. A lock clear would mean there is no possibility of them being s/s.

That is the edge case that occurred to me a little earlier today, so I suppose the pedantry is warranted here. Think I'll let Cynical View keep that under his hat though.

[KayJayQueue]

I just don’t see the reason to attempt the theater as a scum team.

The way I see it, Db as mafia is town reading a >rand scum move and sticking to it to prop up a buddy with a hard gambit. Does town reading Heury all game make sense from a town perspective? That is my major hang up with DB.

No, I don’t think it makes sense.

[EGW]

Would never vote for heuristically_alone and think its almost certain Kay is town. Other reads still pretty underdeveloped without metas on people I guess. I wont be voting today or tomorrow regardless so i'm slow cooking.

What's the reasoning for Kay town, what do you expect her to do as town? (So I can improve my read on Kay, would help if Mak could give his 2 cents here as well) What's your explanation in regards to this post from Kay: post

[EGW]

Kay, how do you feel about Greedy not responding to that post?

[Makhaira]

Re somi
Risky probably wasn't the correct word choice, I think I was using what others referred.

Bessie is likely to be town.
Bessie will give us the most useful information on a scum flip, and still good useful information on a town flip.

I dont think Bessie is mechanically clear, but the risk is worth the information, and they have a greater than most chance of being town in this scenario.

If Bessie ever flips scum, isn’t it just heury? Why would scum not just take that out? That seems crazy that someone would have so much hubris to not take the sure out to instead stick around and try to puppet the game thread without ever getting caught before finding another time to get voted. Thats why this makes no sense as a s/s play. Bessie is town and if Bessie ever flips scum we just win imo and I don’t think that’s a real possibility. There’s a t/t possibility and a Heury scum, Bessie town possibly but I see almost zero chance that Heury is town while Bessie is scum.

I agree with you here, I think the only player Ive ever played with that goes for this move in bessies position if its town!heury and scum!bessie is overswarm

*looks at the camera and waves to adum*

but yes its so all in and like motivated by wanting to flex at a fundamental level it basically requires a certain ego to go for that I wouldnt expect from heury nor bessie

[EGW]

I lol'd at the mention of Overswarm. Very interesting player, miss that guy.

[Makhaira]

Would never vote for heuristically_alone and think its almost certain Kay is town. Other reads still pretty underdeveloped without metas on people I guess. I wont be voting today or tomorrow regardless so i'm slow cooking.

sell me on kay when youre at the appropriate cook level Im kinda leaning that way but cant articulate it. I dont get the vibes she wants to bounce early which I think trends town as kay constantly disclaims deepwolf range when I accuse her of it and every time I thought she was doing it as scum she was actually down so I wanna take her at her word and hope its not some deep longrun psyop to convince me shes less confidant in her scumrange than she is

this is all to say Im leaning scum!kay proooooobably comes off more eager to get to voting I guess

[KayJayQueue]

Kay, how do you feel about Greedy not responding to that post?

I think he responded by townreading me and I’m not sure how I feel about it. I can’t tell if he’s town because he doesn’t feel the need to respond directly to it or if he’s scum because he specifically avoided it.

[KayJayQueue]

Would never vote for heuristically_alone and think its almost certain Kay is town. Other reads still pretty underdeveloped without metas on people I guess. I wont be voting today or tomorrow regardless so i'm slow cooking.

sell me on kay when youre at the appropriate cook level Im kinda leaning that way but cant articulate it. I dont get the vibes she wants to bounce early which I think trends town as kay constantly disclaims deepwolf range when I accuse her of it and every time I thought she was doing it as scum she was actually down so I wanna take her at her word and hope its not some deep longrun psyop to convince me shes less confidant in her scumrange than she is

this is all to say Im leaning scum!kay proooooobably comes off more eager to get to voting I guess

If I were scum, I’d want to gtfo asap. Which is exactly what I did last time I played this setup lol

[Makhaira]

Well, shows my sense of humor is non-Euclidean. Here I was figuring the fact she didn't speedfall with heury was what determined she was town. And this post by Mak concurs with my interpretation:

Yet mafia can vote their buddy, but cannot mechanically return a vote. Therefore it is not a lock clear, because it's possible it can be s/s. A lock clear would mean there is no possibility of them being s/s.

yes to be perfectly clear the move is not at all clearing but I think the risk reward is skewed enough that its unlikely bessie is scum here. scum!heury locking in their vote on their mate for the entirety of D1 is a very all in move that I think is unlikely to be something scum goes for here. but EGW is 100% correct that it could just be an SvS earlygame gambit

[Makhaira]

Would never vote for heuristically_alone and think its almost certain Kay is town. Other reads still pretty underdeveloped without metas on people I guess. I wont be voting today or tomorrow regardless so i'm slow cooking.

sell me on kay when youre at the appropriate cook level Im kinda leaning that way but cant articulate it. I dont get the vibes she wants to bounce early which I think trends town as kay constantly disclaims deepwolf range when I accuse her of it and every time I thought she was doing it as scum she was actually down so I wanna take her at her word and hope its not some deep longrun psyop to convince me shes less confidant in her scumrange than she is

this is all to say Im leaning scum!kay proooooobably comes off more eager to get to voting I guess

If I were scum, I’d want to gtfo asap. Which is exactly what I did last time I played this setup lol

who did you fall with in the last game lol and what phase

[Makhaira]

I lol'd at the mention of Overswarm. Very interesting player, miss that guy.

same dude players like that keep you sharp like you always have your snowgoggles on and stay vigilant of insane ego gambits because players like him feed off the spectacle of like the extreme outplay. his "HOW I BEAT YOU ALL" posts are etched into my memory forever lmao and I'll never forget when he tried to break the Bad Idea Mafia 2 remix of the setup we tried on smashboards hahhahahaha

[KayJayQueue]

sell me on kay when youre at the appropriate cook level Im kinda leaning that way but cant articulate it. I dont get the vibes she wants to bounce early which I think trends town as kay constantly disclaims deepwolf range when I accuse her of it and every time I thought she was doing it as scum she was actually down so I wanna take her at her word and hope its not some deep longrun psyop to convince me shes less confidant in her scumrange than she is

this is all to say Im leaning scum!kay proooooobably comes off more eager to get to voting I guess

If I were scum, I’d want to gtfo asap. Which is exactly what I did last time I played this setup lol

who did you fall with in the last game lol and what phase

JacksonVirgo and it was the first fall of the game, so I guess day/phase 1. Not the first to offer trust be he was the first to vote back.

The difference is that you could switch votes in that setup.

[EGW]

It was scary meeting him in my third game ever, and then he elimmed me after pocketing me. I also love that he had the audacity to crumb vanilla townie at a certain point.

[Makhaira]

just quote pinging

moody gun to head what phase ideally do you want to try to bounce? like are you trying to go deep here or like early midgame? I swear this is not bait even though I've just gone on and on about how people wanting to go deep is a towntell I'm actually trying to looks at this situation in a more nuanced way

[Makhaira]

It was scary meeting him in my third game ever, and then he elimmed me after pocketing me. I also love that he had the audacity to crumb vanilla townie at a certain point.

lets just say there was a reason he was so dominant in the early Brawl meta lol, dude was a savage and had zero remorse

his ROB was so fucking degenerate lmaooooooo (not saying I could beat it I would get absolutely demolished, but I'd be willing to see him in melee )

[Makhaira]

a brilliant* savage to be clear

[Makhaira]

If I were scum, I’d want to gtfo asap. Which is exactly what I did last time I played this setup lol

who did you fall with in the last game lol and what phase

JacksonVirgo and it was the first fall of the game, so I guess day/phase 1. Not the first to offer trust be he was the first to vote back.

The difference is that you could switch votes in that setup.

oh ok very interesting go to know, and you're saying you were scum there?

[EGW]

I think he responded by townreading me and I’m not sure how I feel about it. I can’t tell if he’s town because he doesn’t feel the need to respond directly to it or if he’s scum because he specifically avoided it.

Yeah it feels odd to me.

[KayJayQueue]

who did you fall with in the last game lol and what phase

JacksonVirgo and it was the first fall of the game, so I guess day/phase 1. Not the first to offer trust be he was the first to vote back.

The difference is that you could switch votes in that setup.

oh ok very interesting go to know, and you're saying you were scum there?

Yes I was scum. And we lost lol

[Makhaira]

heury fess up if you're scum right now or I'm releasing all your scum secrets from our scumchat in darkest dungeon that half this game doesnt already have totally unfettered access to

[Makhaira]

JacksonVirgo and it was the first fall of the game, so I guess day/phase 1. Not the first to offer trust be he was the first to vote back.

The difference is that you could switch votes in that setup.

oh ok very interesting go to know, and you're saying you were scum there?

Yes I was scum. And we lost lol

nooooooooooooooooo who was your mate?

[moody7277]

just quote pinging

moody gun to head what phase ideally do you want to try to bounce? like are you trying to go deep here or like early midgame? I swear this is not bait even though I've just gone on and on about how people wanting to go deep is a towntell I'm actually trying to looks at this situation in a more nuanced way

Considering my cruddy meta, town!me falling early would probably make for a cleaner endgame for those who are left.

[KayJayQueue]

oh ok very interesting go to know, and you're saying you were scum there?

Yes I was scum. And we lost lol

nooooooooooooooooo who was your mate?

Someone I don’t think I ever saw again. I’d never played with her before and I don’t remember her name tbh lol

[Makhaira]

Day 1 Begins

lets also be mindful of deadline btw its half standard D1 on MS, my napkin math says deadline is Saturday 4/26 @ 7ish AM PDT?

not trying to rand this shit thats so fucking pro scum Im getting flashbacks to secret hitler topdeck nonsense