Trust Fall Mafia - Day 1

[Deadbananas0]

Re Kay:
It seemed like you had opposite stances in the two posts. IE in post one you said "Seemed like an obvious joke", then post two brought up we could all have different interpretations. They also felt more like, whats a good way to phrase it, sniping from the sidelines rather than jumping in? In my mind after the two posts, it seemed like you understood we were having a misunderstanding early on, and could have become more involved in clearing it up, I don't know you, maybe this is typically how you post, but both posts felt more providing witty commentary vs being presently involved. The first one felt targeted towards making me feel more sure in my argument, the second one felt targeted at EGW and making them feel I was being unreasonable.

On Bessie x You, the forced interaction is related to my post scumBessie flip thoughts. I didn't go into it more there to avoid rehashing it, I just wanted to bring it up as something from you that pinged me as odd. I am on higher alert because of those reasons, but your first major posts besides about my greedy read, that werent just saying you were town, the one addressing Bessie, thats fine, the second made me think something was odd, the line "Bessie is going to hate me" after the last post just pinged a bit forced. Then your next 3 posts are more sideline posts. I don't know, maybe it is just I'm unfamiliar with you, but some posts feel like you are speaking to an audience.


Its longer for a few reasons
1: You are more complicated to me than most other slots so far. I'm not very familiar with your meta, you've got a good amount of posts, prolly 3rd, and you are the type of player I am scared of, similar to Mak, Bessie and EGW so far. This ties into my reasons for wanting a flip with information on more of that group of players. I would really hate to be in endgame with you, Mak, EGW and Bessie you people are scary.
2. EGW asked and as much as I hate to admit it I hate being scumread lol.

[Deadbananas0]

Scum!bessie doesn't have to "alpha strike", sure, but if she was planning to take the fall with Heury there's little reason for her to delay doing so. But I talked about this already. She can hang around and watch us convince ourselves she's town, it makes little difference either way, so bessie's town equity doesn't really kick in until the next phase.
The "risky play" isn't that though, it's what you outlined in the very post you link back to: bessie passes up this opportunity and waits for someone else to trust fall with, at which point town!heury would be implicated (see also this Kay post). This is a high-risk move since town-cred notwithstanding it's not guaranteed that she'd get a second chance. You know what they say about two in the bush
This kind of confusion on your part is rather strange though, which makes me wonder what possible reason you could have to "rewrite" the scenario like this.

I think you lost me?
To make sure I'm clear, my post referenced is about day 1 scumBessie trying to get a non-heury townie to trust fall with her on this day.

I think your talking about Bessie waiting till day 2 to try and trust fall with someone else, and I agree on your analysis there.

[KayJayQueue]

I think you’re reading too far into most of these things re: me. I just have to figure out if it’s agenda driven or not. I feel like a lot of your stated opinions are a stretch. But then you ended with a townlean on me which makes no sense if you’re going to put all this effort into trying to dissect all my posts in a disapproving way in order to influence others. So it doesn’t make much sense from a scum perspective but I don’t know why town!you would take so many of my posts in a negative light and then decide I’m probably town. I guess I’ll just stop the back and forth because it’ll just turn into me continually trying to defend myself against a wrong opinion which is usually futile until there’s more to work with.

[somitomi]

I think you lost me?
To make sure I'm clear, my post referenced is about day 1 scumBessie trying to get a non-heury townie to trust fall with her on this day.

I think your talking about Bessie waiting till day 2 to try and trust fall with someone else, and I agree on your analysis there.

Okay, yeah I might be the idiot here, I'll get back to this tomorrow when it's not late at night

[Deadbananas0]

re kay:
For sure, I don't disagree in the stretch nature, but I feel most deductions I make in these games are stretches lol. It's probably also darkest dungeon made it worse, trying to make any reads based on like 10 words. I don't feel like you need to defend yourself, I just felt it would be ... disingenuous? to provide a read on you without going into all my thoughts about you, and those are all my thoughts about you, including the scatterbrained, crazy ones. I probably overly highlighted the negatives, I really do like your recent posts.

[KayJayQueue]

Objectively needing to defend myself is not something I take into account when deciding whether or not to defend myself. Anxiety is fun lol

[EGW]

I'm literally not even an option today

Can you answer Deadbanana's question to you in this post?

What makes Moody different from Greedy here in your mind? Only post from Moody on it, is saying its overeager, and I saw Greedy posting their little gambit as a similar reaction.

[Deadbananas0]

What makes Moody different from Greedy here in your mind? Only post from Moody on it, is saying its overeager, and I saw Greedy posting their little gambit as a similar reaction.

Those reads are based on just reactions to me because I'm a narcissist. Greedy did not react to me at all and Moody did which is the difference.

Re EGW, he did in the underlined, it just was stuck in a quote

[Deadbananas0]

which I just did as well. Embarrassing

[EGW]

Sneaky son of a gun.

[EGW]

Well, in this game my opinion doesn't stop anyone else who does trust deadbananas enough to fall with him from doing so. And if you're using my opinion to help your read on him, why start now?

Actually, Somi asked a good question there. I would like to see you go into it, and update your reads.

[EGW]

On Somi, I have found him directly getting engaged into the game and remaining active is a good sight he is lean town to me. I would like to see his reads list, I want to see where his head is at.

[moody7277]

Nice deflection, but I wanted to hear your thought process in order to read you

Basically, I figured it was such an out of left field mistake to make about whether a player is actually playing or not that it had to be sinister. My personal biases that probably led to that are a. the way I read the thread put the big flashy picture and the starting player list foremost when the game started and b. knowing heury well enough to know he wouldn't make the same mistake whereas deadbananas is a blank slate so far.

[his post] Was 1000% a joke! Bessie hadn't had a chance to post yet(so I had nothing to read her from), but the locked in voting meant there was a "Trust" locked in for Bessie. I thought it was funny to say bc I didn't want to leave her off the list.

Well, shows my sense of humor is non-Euclidean. Here I was figuring the fact she didn't speedfall with heury was what determined she was town. And this post by Mak concurs with my interpretation:

A good way to think about voting in this game is EVERY VOTE IS ALPHA STRIKABLE,

Reads to follow shortly (am eating dinner just now)

[moody7277]

Summary:

voteable - Mak, Kay, bessie, somitomi, Bop, EGW

not votable - deadbananas, Heury, Greedy

Mak- like the way he's interpreting the game
Kay- mostly vibe read on them
Bessie- didn't speedfall with heury when she had the chance
somi- like the pushback he's giving me
Bop- the fact what I thought was him matching my interpretation of the Bessie situation being a joke tempers this a little, but still votable
EGW- usual probing, but my impression that he's a little less confident due to having to adjust to the format is oddly comforting

deadbananas- still not over the "Bessie isn't even playing" thing yet. may change later if they're still in
heury- voting first post knowing full well it's locked is just ick, trying to retro it into a Boomgambit feels forced to me
Greedy- the whole deal thing was just ick

[Deadbananas0]

RQ while your here Moody, I'm curious on your logic for scumreading me for the Bessie mistake, vs EGW, Somi, and Kay, who all followed along with it?

[KayJayQueue]

Re heury:

Nvm I'm dumb lmao.

Bessie isn't in the game I just assumed she was without checking.

Hilarious shit my bad. Anyway heury is scum for making me laugh again

Btw this post should make a bananas/bessie scum team 1000% unviable. And I think the bananas/heury scum team is also extremely improbable and I doubt I’ll ever entertain it.

[EGW]

And I think the bananas/heury scum team is also extremely improbable and I doubt I’ll ever entertain it.

Can you elaborate on this one?

[moody7277]

RQ while your here Moody, I'm curious on your logic for scumreading me for the Bessie mistake, vs EGW, Somi, and Kay, who all followed along with it?

viewtopic.php?p=92679#p92679
EGW was looking for an insight to your reasoning, not necessarily "following along with it"

viewtopic.php?p=92683#p92683
I think I'm more willing to forgive somi slipping here due to familiarity with his play.

viewtopic.php?p=92688#p92688
I don't know how to interpret this reaction, whether it's for having made the same mistake as you or for not reading the whole post to see you reversed yourself mid-writing

Basically, EGW still looks good, somi still looks okay with bigger error bars, and I don't get any info on Kay from this

[Deadbananas0]

Gotcha thanks!

Just for your reference
viewtopic.php?p=92686#p92686

Is what I took as EGW going along with it.

[moody7277]

Odd that that post comes after the one I thought meant EGW did know bessie is in the game and was just getting your interpretation.

[EGW]

Well, shows my sense of humor is non-Euclidean. Here I was figuring the fact she didn't speedfall with heury was what determined she was town. And this post by Mak concurs with my interpretation:

Yet mafia can vote their buddy, but cannot mechanically return a vote. Therefore it is not a lock clear, because it's possible it can be s/s. A lock clear would mean there is no possibility of them being s/s.

[EGW]

Odd that that post comes after the one I thought meant EGW did know bessie is in the game and was just getting your interpretation.

Not at all. I thought Deadbananas was mentioning meta in terms of his read, which is why I said in a game, but I misread what he said. I wasn't entirely clear on Bessie being in the game, but I checked to see the first post of the thread, which had Wam as a sign up (it was not crossed out), and I looked at the sign ups, and did not see Bessie /inning, and therefore decided I was wrong.

[EGW]

Bessie isn't in the game I just assumed she was without checking.

This is why I believed it was meta, which lead to the confusion.

[KayJayQueue]

And I think the bananas/heury scum team is also extremely improbable and I doubt I’ll ever entertain it.

Can you elaborate on this one?

I just don’t see the reason to attempt the theater as a scum team.

[EGW]

I just don’t see the reason to attempt the theater as a scum team.

The way I see it, Db as mafia is town reading a >rand scum move and sticking to it to prop up a buddy with a hard gambit. Does town reading Heury all game make sense from a town perspective? That is my major hang up with DB.