Trust Fall Mafia - Day 1

[moody7277]

Bessie is locktrusted. That's mechanically undeniable.

Fairly certain why you'd conclude that, and I concur.

[Deadbananas0]

Would be funny af if Bessie is mafia, looks at the thread, Heury is town so they vote Heury and leave as their only post. Would be kinda sad if they hadn't randed maf in a while i suppose.

[bessie]

Woof I’m here! I’m a little late but I wasn’t planning on playing so I was busy last night and didn’t have a chance to do a proper read and make a post. Have I missed anything interesting?

VOTE: Bessie

Thank you Heury for your trust! I would like to vote you right away but I don’t want to deny the other players a full game Day of my exceptional scumhunting abilities, so I will put this on hold until closer to deadline.

No intro posts.
No RV due to vote locking.

I guess for bessie those two things cancel out on her wag-o-meter.

Yes the lack of confirmation posts is rather disappointing because that’s what I use to generate my early content. But even though I don’t participate in RVS myself, I don’t deny the fun to others if they enjoy it.

I've seen you play this format before, no thanks!

Hi GreedyBanger, welcome to the forum! I take it you have experience playing mafia?

But I’m town this time, so it’s different.

Hi KayJayQueue! We haven’t been properly introduced because of the format of Darkest Dungeon Mafia, but I’m bessie and I’ve been playing mafia for a while, I think since about 2013, and mostly on xkcd (the now-defunct original forum, here, and in-between at Smashboards). I have what some will say are odd quirks and one is that I don’t like early claims, or town claims. -1

Not a great answer

Explain this remark. Why didn’t you like GreedyBanger’s answer?

Bessie isn't in the game I just assumed she was without checking.

-1 for not reading the Day 1 Begins post carefully!

Oh crums, I didn't notice either, what a nice fail to start the game with

I guess this wouldn’t be a typical xkcd game if I wasn’t scum reading somitomi by page 3. -1

I now realize Bessie isn't in the game. All this time I was expecting Bessie to post this weekend. I was bamboozled.

Sorry EGW but I have to assign you a negative point just like everyone else. -1

Omg. I’m an idiot.

-1 Congrats you’re in my point lead!

For the sake of my sanity, when did the sub happen?

During the confirmation phase. Check the Day 1 Begins post, and you can confirm that it hasn’t been edited. Kinda thinking of assigning you a negative half point for this.

A full page of debate on whether a player is in the game? god this game rules.

My thought exactly, and I will be using this extremely useful content in my reads, since I have been deprived of a proper confirmation post round.

Would be funny af if Bessie is mafia, looks at the thread, Heury is town so they vote Heury and leave as their only post.

I’m really busy with work and it is very tempting, to fulfill my duty as a replacement but not have to deal with the time suck that is mafia, but my annoying sense of obligation won’t let me. You’re stuck with me for at least through D1.

[EGW]

-1 for not reading the Day 1 Begins post carefully!

I think you should factor in that this was more of confusion rather than not reading the Day 1 begins post. I did see it, however upon seeing discussion of you seemingly not being in the game, I went to double check the first post, which did not have you in the playerlist, and instead had Wam in it. Which I then thought, hmm, I don't see Bessie signing up in this thread, so then thought you possibly were not in the game. What are your thoughts with that in mind, Bessie? Also good to see you again.

[EGW]

I actually like Deadbananas wanting Heury to follow up with my question after the confusion. Heury, I'm still waiting on that answer.

[KayJayQueue]

Bessie, you also didn’t like gims claiming town immediately in the last game and he was town. We are from the same site, maybe it’s just our quirk that we are over eager to claim our alignment.

You can give me negative points for being stupid but I don’t think your system works well for those of us that came here from the same site if you’re always going to be upset that we jump the claim gun lol

[EGW]

Thank you Heury for your trust! I would like to vote you right away but I don’t want to deny the other players a full game Day of my exceptional scumhunting abilities, so I will put this on hold until closer to deadline.

Can you explain why you'd like to vote Heury right away, out of curiosity.

[KayJayQueue]

Bessie is going to hate me, half my personality is talking about why I’m town or how town I am because I always assume I’m so obvious when apparently I’m not. And I get belligerent about it sometimes. I’m not good at change so this might not end well lol

[Deadbananas0]

Bessie isn't in the game I just assumed she was without checking.

-1 for not reading the Day 1 Begins post carefully!

worth the -1 to learn how to link posts in this site.
Now if only someone could teach me how to just quote the section I highlight rather than having to delete every other part of the post!

And for the record glad to have you, sorry about spamming the thread with useless shit day 1, I remembered you being out at the end of last game, found it odd you were in this one, went to check the top post and you saw how things go from there. I'm going to make an effort for the rest of the game to make myself wait 10 minutes before posting anything so I can check things lol.

I do think some information can be gleaned from the debacle atleast, in terms of useless day 1 stuff I'll take it over the typical RVS.

Anyway Updating thoughts before the night:

heury - Pre-Bessie Gate incident thoughts still apply, with what I said earlier about wanting some follow up. I also don't think Bessie not voting heury mechanically clears either for the record.

Greedy - Pre-Bessie Gate incident thoughts still apply, nothing recent has changed my opinion.

Somi - I like somi, very mild town lean for now, I think this post showed some townie paranoia which I often feel, and I think they emulated my confusion genuinely.

Bop - seems chill, nothing has stood out to me but i like they are giving thoughts.

Kay - hard to get read on, mostly neutral feeling posts to me so far.

Bessie- neutral so far.

EGW - similar to Kay, seems to be doing the thing of asking a bunch of questions, some I think valid, some about what I see as jokes that strike me as odd, not familiar so maybe typical, for now mild scum lean.

Moody - I agree with their take on bop so far, but everything else from this slot I don't think I like. Fine to act eager early on, gets the ball rolling.
I took Bop's post Moody responded to here as a joke, but I don't get the same sense from Moody, maybe I don't get their humor, could you explain your thoughts Moody? I get you wanting to wait until after Bessie enters if you have a genuine reason.

[EGW]

EGW - similar to Kay, seems to be doing the thing of asking a bunch of questions, some I think valid, some about what I see as jokes that strike me as odd, not familiar so maybe typical, for now mild scum lean.

The only post that can be referenced as a joke is this post. Please elaborate what you see as odd, and why you land as mild scum lean for me due to that. Also, you mention being similar to Kay, but you didn't mention her asking questions in your reasoning. Can you explain that further?

[KayJayQueue]

Should I start asking questions? (and does this count?)

[Deadbananas0]

EGW - similar to Kay, seems to be doing the thing of asking a bunch of questions, some I think valid, some about what I see as jokes that strike me as odd, not familiar so maybe typical, for now mild scum lean.

The only post that can be referenced as a joke is this post. Please elaborate what you see as odd, and why you land as mild scum lean for me due to that. Also, you mention being similar to Kay, but you didn't mention her asking questions in your reasoning. Can you explain that further?

I mean asking questions about posts I see as jokes examples:
viewtopic.php?p=92753#p92753
viewtopic.php?p=92676#p92676

Mild scum lean as I feel these posts do more to bog down communication, while making it look like you are hunting.

Similar to Kay in most posts from both of you haven't pinged me either way, I'd say you both probably play a lot of mafia, and both your guys content so far is generally in the range of typical play I'd expect, and I'm not familiar with either of your metas to get any info from it.
In short vibes.

[EGW]

I do not see them as jokes. Can you elaborate on why you feel it's a joke?

[Deadbananas0]

I'm being more harsh in scum leans this game, because Its not like I can form a wagon or encourage a Vig to shoot someone in the night. I'd rather air any concerns I have so they can be addressed, and for others to see if they would consider voting for someone. These posts are providing my current thoughts, since I think thats the best way for town to progress in this setup, though I haven't played one before.

Should I start asking questions? (and does this count?)

and lol

[KayJayQueue]

I find it mildly interesting that EGW is trying to argue that bananas saying their own post was a joke (which seemed like an obvious joke) was not interpreted as a joke by them (EGW) and then asking bananas to explain why they thought their (bananas) joke was a joke. This just feels like it’s getting convoluted lol

[EGW]

Deadbanana is stating my questioning to Bessie is based on a joke, which is something I disagree with. I want him to explain that. I have a serious reason to be asking my questions. They are not joke based.

[Deadbananas0]

I do not see them as jokes. Can you elaborate on why you feel it's a joke?

Thank you Heury for your trust! I would like to vote you right away but I don’t want to deny the other players a full game Day of my exceptional scumhunting abilities, so I will put this on hold until closer to deadline.

Can you explain why you'd like to vote Heury right away, out of curiosity.

I don't think the only thing genuinely stopping Bessie from voting Heury now is that we would be lost without her (even if we would). It's hard to explain why I view it as a joke, it is all just very sarcastic you know. Same reasoning for the other one, but you have a better reason in that one since I was laboring under a false presumption in making the joke.

I don't really want to get into it anymore, as I said earlier, having several posts of conversations around what I take as jokes seems wasteful. If its a problem for your read of me we can agree to not vote each other this day, and sort it out later when we have more meaningful things to analyze.

Anyways, I need to go to bed a bit ago lol. I can respond in the morning.

[KayJayQueue]

Maybe we all just have different reads on what posts are sarcastic/joking/being cheeky/etc. Very real possibility.

[EGW]

My questioning stems from the fact I believe Heury to be scum gambitting. Looking at the mechanic of this game, Mafia need to be voted off to win. Therefore, I expected scum to possibly try to convince town they are town, and in some way, try to get someone to vote them so they can in return vote back. However, it's possible that if scum don't feel like going that far, they could instantly lock their vote at the start *as a joke*, in hopes that vote target would return a vote. Which is why I asked Bessie why she felt that way, to see how she may be reading Heury, and go from there. Voting instantly shows Heury doesn't have a sense of caution, because if he voted wrong and was town, he could possibly be throwing. Not only that, but if you read the setup post, Mafia cannot vote their buddy back, so at the same time, Heury as scum would be inviting spew towards Bessie. I don't see voting instantly pro-town either.

Therefore I think this is scum voting town, but I would never risk voting either if we have the space. I think it would be very sub-optimal to choose their own partner. Heury should therefore be in the never vote pile absolutely. His lack of follow up also is concerning.

[Deadbananas0]

I'll look at your above post tomorrow, I know I said I was going to bed but I felt bad and had to clarify.

Online sarcasm/humor can definitely be missable, see me asking a question to Moody(i think it was moody there are so many names ending in Y or i sounds this game) about their post that could be a joke. My reasoning on you wasn't stemming from a lack of getting it, rather the questions themselves on those posts, which you probably talk about in your above post.

The fact you seem genuinely have thought your questions worth asking and asked about the humor currently raises my opinion of you.

I just wanted to make sure I didn't come off as hostile above, never my intention, it's just hard for me to explain how I read tone online.

Thanks for posting, been good to talk with someone before Mak arrives and dominates the thread lol.

[EGW]

You didn't seem hostile to me. You have a good night DB.

[EGW]

FOS: Heury

[Makhaira]

whatupppppppp bromigos

anyone who knows what my new (and technically old) avatar is from gets to pocket me for free

you can prove it by filling in the other 9 commandments (#1 is free for anyone who remembers my last ava)

commandment #1 is 100% the move here btw, we just gotta beat the rand elim timer, so lets kick back and experience the magic

[Makhaira]

BTW, that's supposed to be "No Deal"

heury and Greedy are way too eager, would not trust right now.

KJQ, first post was NAI, picture still developing.

I like Bop's caution. Right now he's votable.

Everyone else is TBD.

with moody here, this game setup has an unusual reversal of the natural comeback mechanics of mafia in that town's risk of scoring for the other team increase as the game goes on and the playerlist shrinks. I think leaving the wrong people for endgame poses and even bigger problem in a way, given scum only need to convince one other non-paired player to fulfil their part of the wincon

[Makhaira]

My general plan was to put the first person who voted me into the never vote pile btw. I plan on being here for a while.

Easy to say now to be fair but it is what it is

now this is a man who's down to chill, love to see it