Tales of Desolation mafia Engame

[heuristically_alone]

@somitomi: would you have that complete claim-list you mentioned earlier?

Yeah, sorry, I meant to go back and collect links, but I've not had the time and my notes are more reminders than a comprehensive summary. I hope they'll do in the meantime. I'm not keeping up very well, stuff keeps eating my evenings

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	shepherd	lord	game
Boom	no		YES	BERSERIA	(joat)
Sabrar	yes		no	Zestiria	(michael, jailer)
Mak	yes 		no	Zestiria	TOWN
Santy	yes		yes	Berseria	(bodyguard)
EGW	yes		no	Zestiria	(calamity cop)
wam	no		yes	Zestiria	MALEVOLENCE
philip	yes		no	Zestiria	(Sergei, motivator)
Bop	no		yes	Berseria	SUPPRESSION
madge	yes		no	both?		MALEVOLENCE
heury	no		yes	BERSERIA	(2-shot masoning vig)
JC	yes		NO	ZESTIRIA	(tracker)
somi	no		yes	Berseria	(game cop)
moody	no		yes	Berseria	TOWN

Things in capitals have been confirmed some way.

Madge did say she lied about her shepard/calamity alignment due to wanting to match the example role PM. She is YES calamity / NO shephard.

I do think it's a strong possibilty remaining scum could have lied to copy role pm as well which would put sabrar, egw, ahippo and JC as suspects. I believe that sabrar wouldn't find that alignment indicative to his role so as scum I don't think Sabrar would lie.

VOTE: EGW

[somitomi]

See you guys tomorrow

Wrong again

[moody7277]

Elim preference: EGW

ahippo/phillip at least has the fact Sab confirmed he did what he said he did way back start of the game, and I'm getting good vibes off of JC. Other three are towncore.

[JC_DADDY25]

I am also okay with an EGW elimination. I was not notified about any mark.

[Sabrar]

Did you get a night-result?

[JC_DADDY25]

Yup, and he did exactly what you told him to do

[boomfrog]

I haven't read anything toDay but wanted to pop in to report my action failed.

[Sabrar]

Are you marked?

[EGW]

I have not been marked.

[Sabrar]

You are all just a fountain of information.

I jailed Boomfrog instead of phillip. These were my N2 notes:

Spoiler (Show/Hide)

I've looked at Santy's reads carefully, here are my quick thoughts:

ahippo/phillip: I don't buy that the early questions and follow-up strong defence has got to be whiteknighting and cannot come from a partner ever. However I agree with the last part of the analysis, i.e. if Bop already decided that he would commit to this strong town-read of his buddy D1 then he wouldn't drop it later on.

Boomfrog: personally I don't feel the evidence can only be interpreted one way. These are definitely good arguments why Boomfrog makes sense as Bop's buddy but there might be other explanations as well.

EGW: I understand where the town-read is coming from but I think it is possible for it to be scum-theater.

Bubblez: I agree about the clearing part, especially if you read further and consider that Bop showed no intention to switching to Fred even when votes were 6-4. somitomi is 100% town here.

Overall it is easier to find evidence why a specific player cannot be a buddy than to show with conviction why another player has to be the last scum. I think we can reduce the PoE to {Boomfrog, EGW} and for ego reasons I would like to yeet BF first.

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I expected no new marks, as EGW/Boomfrog would want to keep up appearances and not mark someone when I'm jailing phillip, so that he can remain a potential misyeet. I also expected somi to be blocked (remaining scum should have RB if we believe phillip, either because EGW didn't want a result on him or because Boomfrog wanted to make it seem that way. Although on second thought it could be JOAT similar to Madge in which case RB was no longer available.

somi being killed changes things. This is very hypothetical but I think if Boomfrog is scum and this specific kill goes through RB then probably he wouldn't be able to perform another action, so he wouldn't know that he was RB-d (unless he predicted me deviating from my own plan, which is technically possible). But for him to be scum he would need to be Godfather, JOAT and have access to a 1-shot kill that goes through RB. On the other hand there are far fewer mechanical restrictions for EGW to be scum, but we have to take into account interaction with Bop as well.

I think I'm fine yeeting EGW today (to appease bessie) but I would enjoy a discussion first.

[EGW]

Going through a block power outage currently. Hopefully should return tonight or in the morning. Phone battery low.

[phillip1882]

i'll vote the way you guys vote,

vote EGW

[moody7277]

That's E-2

[Sabrar]

I'll note that mafia seem to only have night chat

Where did this observation come from?

[Sabrar]

One more thing. Nobody besides phillip is claiming to be marked. If phillip is actually the last scum then that means that actually noone is marked and we are extremely unlikely to suddenly lose more than 1 townie during the night. Therefore we don't need to prioritize yeeting phillip today.

[Sabrar]

I would like EGW to do his best Santy-impression and provide us with his legacy reads.

[EGW]

I'm not doing that. A bunch of effort when I think we'll win regardless. I tired myself out already.

[Sabrar]

Understood. In that case I have no objection to anyone hammering, though ideally it should be Boomfrog so he can share his thoughts if he wants to.

Vote: EGW

[AdumbroDeus]

Vote count 5.2
1. EGW(3) - heuristically_alone, phillip1882, Sabrar
2. Sabrar(0) -
3. ahippo phillip1882(0) -
4. Boomfrog(0) -
5. JC_DADDY25(0) -
6. heuristically_alone(0) -

Not voting: EGW, Boomfrog, JC_DADDY25

With 6 players alive it takes 4 to eliminate

The deadline is set for Saturday February 22nd at 2 PM EST

[heuristically_alone]

I'm not doing that. A bunch of effort when I think we'll win regardless. I tired myself out already.

Would you like to admit defeat now so we don't have to wait in suspense?

[EGW]

I'm sorry to say, but I'm town. So use this time to discuss who the final scum beyond my town flip is.

[boomfrog]

I'll note that mafia seem to only have night chat

Where did this observation come from?

That heury can only chat with bessie at night. Although counter point, my traffic analyser wording implies all the time chat.

[boomfrog]

This is turned out to be more of a vacation from internet than I realized. No cell reception at our camp sites so far. I haven't read up yet, but if we are yeeting phillip or EGW I'm comfortable following Sabrar. If it's anyone else than I need an extension.

[boomfrog]

Ahh, just looked back a few posts. I'll try and catch up today or tomorrow and weigh in before hammering.

[boomfrog]

Are you marked?

No