Tales of Desolation mafia Engame

[Santygrass]

madge was able to act both N1 and N2 while having a mark (if we believe her). Mark and RB should be independent abilities.

True. And Madge action was true because she would have no way to know tha you and me acted on Mak n1 otherwise

[phillip1882]

i'm pretty sure i can no longer use my ability, i'm only allowed 2 uses, ahippo used one and i used one. that my action failed i don't think i can use it again. but i'll confirm with the moderator

[Santygrass]

i'm pretty sure i can no longer use my ability, i'm only allowed 2 uses, ahippo used one and i used one. that my action failed i don't think i can use it again. but i'll confirm with the moderator

It really wasted a use to target a non eligible target (moody) ??? Lol??? That makes no sense to me

[Sabrar]

He's saying that he used it N3 but was blocked. It might have eaten up a shot, depends on how mod wants to interpret it.

[Santygrass]

Oh thats unfortunate then. On the bright side jailing philip doesnt make us lose much utility so its fine~

[JC_DADDY25]

i'm pretty sure i can no longer use my ability, i'm only allowed 2 uses, ahippo used one and i used one. that my action failed i don't think i can use it again. but i'll confirm with the moderator

It really wasted a use to target a non eligible target (moody) ??? Lol??? That makes no sense to me

So did they give him the shot back after N2 error?

[heuristically_alone]

VOTE: Ahippo

I also "attempted" to devour Santy last night for fun even though I knew it wouldn't work and it was not handled by the mods the way you claim it was handled. Too many red flags have been occuring with Philip that I think this is actually the play today.

[Sabrar]

I don't really mind switching the order, but you might be misrepresenting things a little bit. If you are 2-shot then you didn't have a shot remaining N3 so your action was just for fun and didn't need to be processed by the mods at all. phillip's situation is different.

[somitomi]

@somitomi: would you have that complete claim-list you mentioned earlier?

Yeah, sorry, I meant to go back and collect links, but I've not had the time and my notes are more reminders than a comprehensive summary. I hope they'll do in the meantime. I'm not keeping up very well, stuff keeps eating my evenings

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	shepherd	lord	game
Boom	no		YES	BERSERIA	(joat)
Sabrar	yes		no	Zestiria	(michael, jailer)
Mak	yes 		no	Zestiria	TOWN
Santy	yes		yes	Berseria	(bodyguard)
EGW	yes		no	Zestiria	(calamity cop)
wam	no		yes	Zestiria	MALEVOLENCE
philip	yes		no	Zestiria	(Sergei, motivator)
Bop	no		yes	Berseria	SUPPRESSION
madge	yes		no	both?		MALEVOLENCE
heury	no		yes	BERSERIA	(2-shot masoning vig)
JC	yes		NO	ZESTIRIA	(tracker)
somi	no		yes	Berseria	(game cop)
moody	no		yes	Berseria	TOWN

Things in capitals have been confirmed some way.

[Santygrass]

Vote EGW

For #stats

[Santygrass]

Current gamestate feels like town is going to likely win, and is being town-dominated with some p good clears. EGW WIM seems to be at -1000. And they have p good equity with Bop .

Reads-wise Im at EGW>>Somi>>>> Frog>Phillip>>JC>>>Sabrar/Heury .

Bop as scum never took the opportunity to push EGW despite most of the thread doing that (he looked very bad with how off their reads were). Why Bop doesnt do that? Does they not care about the cop? (Either they didnt felt threatened or needed them as misyeet, or well... They were keeping their partner as a townread) . EGW-Bop never pushed each other aswell.

Bop-somi main point is firstly Bop dissonance in how they read Bop (first a neutral read when everyone else was clearing them for how bubblez ATEd at EoD , to then in D3 had them as neutral leaning town with a SUPER charitable take. Like 'good questions' to someone who was solving mostly on mech is wild. Please compare how they read/treated me with the somi read. Is night and day imo) . And the most important thing is that *they didnt cared to wait for somi to claim their flavor* if Bop was that interested to solve and curious of that, how is that waiting for somi was skipped in their solve (mind you, since the multiball aspect of the game, the flavor solving here is genuine). One very possible answer is that *they already knew* what somi would claim , they didnt cared to solve somi to begin with.

[Santygrass]

I think I could probably get a better feeling reading Bop's ISO . But thats work for tomorrow me I spent too much time playing minecraft today skill issue

[boomfrog]

Current gamestate feels like town is going to likely win, and is being town-dominated with some p good clears. EGW WIM seems to be at -1000. And they have p good equity with Bop .

Reads-wise Im at EGW>>Somi>>>> Frog>Phillip>>JC>>>Sabrar/Heury .

Bop as scum never took the opportunity to push EGW despite most of the thread doing that (he looked very bad with how off their reads were). Why Bop doesnt do that? Does they not care about the cop? (Either they didnt felt threatened or needed them as misyeet, or well... They were keeping their partner as a townread) . EGW-Bop never pushed each other aswell.

Bop-somi main point is firstly Bop dissonance in how they read Bop (first a neutral read when everyone else was clearing them for how bubblez ATEd at EoD , to then in D3 had them as neutral leaning town with a SUPER charitable take. Like 'good questions' to someone who was solving mostly on mech is wild. Please compare how they read/treated me with the somi read. Is night and day imo) . And the most important thing is that *they didnt cared to wait for somi to claim their flavor* if Bop was that interested to solve and curious of that, how is that waiting for somi was skipped in their solve (mind you, since the multiball aspect of the game, the flavor solving here is genuine). One very possible answer is that *they already knew* what somi would claim , they didnt cared to solve somi to begin with.

Bop partner with somi would want to let somi claim so they get more credit. Bop repeatedly pointed out that somi's claim wasn't clearing. I'm pretty sure they are unaligned.

You make good points about EGW, I agree we shouldn't assume any role is 100% town. But I can believe scum ahippo using his real motivator as a suspicion escape card and N2 Bop coaching phillip to withhold marking N3 and claim to have been marked. I've got a strong meta town read on EGW. But yeah, if you and phillip are both town, than I think EGW is next.

[boomfrog]

@EGW: Are you alright man?

[boomfrog]

@Santy, if you are scum you are one of the best players I've ever played with. But I still believe it.

[Sabrar]

Vote: Santygrass

We should use the cops for one more check.

@somi: thanks for the list!

[EGW]

Vote: Hippo

This is my preference for today. Felt off from the beginning of the game to me. I also see a bunch of WIM and solving from Santy. Not interested in voting him today.

[Sabrar]

I think Boomfrog brought up this point before, but if we have only a single scum-driven NK per night then having a full Bodyguard feels unnecessary when we already have a Jailer. Yeeting phillip first really only helps if we are in some weird world where the mark is not an Arsonist mechanic but something that can end the game earlier. In that case reducing the number of people who have it in advance could be a priority. But that's probably me getting paranoid again.

[moody7277]

The reason I think somi is town is he replaced in for Bubblez, who had that massive meltdown EoD1 that I read as frustrated newish town. I have BF and Sab as fairly solidly town, the latter's opinion meaning I should have heury as town as well. Of the other 4, I feel most comfortable about JC.

[boomfrog]

The reason I think somi is town is he replaced in for Bubblez, who had that massive meltdown EoD1 that I read as frustrated newish town. I have BF and Sab as fairly solidly town, the latter's opinion meaning I should have heury as town as well. Of the other 4, I feel most comfortable about JC.

Sabrar is lock town, I traffic analysed him.
That makes heury lock town.
I've been double copped.
JC had been double copped.

Somi had theBubblez thing and is a cop
EGW had a lot of try hard early and is still sticking to sincere reads and is a cop

Phillip is a motivator
Santy has very very town behavior but I also believe has the capacity as scum for this play.

Off only behavior reads I'd yeet EGW first. It's 7-1 so we should have 3 yeets left even before power usage. Bottom 3 has to have the scum in it.

@Sabrar if somi comes back with a confirmation on EGW'S claim would we not yeet him? I think that doesn't change our decision so it's a waste to check. It won't be conclusive evidence. Not sure if there's a better plan.

[boomfrog]

EGW has lost all whim which is what I expect from scum!EGW in a multiball where he's lost his other ball to chase. Plus being hopelessly outnumbered.

I really want to vote his slot out first.

[Sabrar]

EGW has lost all whim which is what I expect from scum!EGW in a multiball where he's lost his other ball to chase. Plus being hopelessly outnumbered.

I agree with this assessment. But then why did you say previously that you have a strong meta-read on him being town?

@Sabrar if somi comes back with a confirmation on EGW'S claim would we not yeet him? I think that doesn't change our decision so it's a waste to check. It won't be conclusive evidence. Not sure if there's a better plan.

The thing is, my brain says that if we doubt a cop-result once that opens up a can of worms because it means that we cannot trust any of those results really. If we decide to yeet EGW despite a green check from somi then with the same logic we could yeet you or myself or anyone.

If EGW is last scum his hands will be tied tonight, I think we can wait another day with his yeet.

[Santygrass]

Current gamestate feels like town is going to likely win, and is being town-dominated with some p good clears. EGW WIM seems to be at -1000. And they have p good equity with Bop .

Reads-wise Im at EGW>>Somi>>>> Frog>Phillip>>JC>>>Sabrar/Heury .

Bop as scum never took the opportunity to push EGW despite most of the thread doing that (he looked very bad with how off their reads were). Why Bop doesnt do that? Does they not care about the cop? (Either they didnt felt threatened or needed them as misyeet, or well... They were keeping their partner as a townread) . EGW-Bop never pushed each other aswell.

Bop-somi main point is firstly Bop dissonance in how they read Bop (first a neutral read when everyone else was clearing them for how bubblez ATEd at EoD , to then in D3 had them as neutral leaning town with a SUPER charitable take. Like 'good questions' to someone who was solving mostly on mech is wild. Please compare how they read/treated me with the somi read. Is night and day imo) . And the most important thing is that *they didnt cared to wait for somi to claim their flavor* if Bop was that interested to solve and curious of that, how is that waiting for somi was skipped in their solve (mind you, since the multiball aspect of the game, the flavor solving here is genuine). One very possible answer is that *they already knew* what somi would claim , they didnt cared to solve somi to begin with.

Bop partner with somi would want to let somi claim so they get more credit. Bop repeatedly pointed out that somi's claim wasn't clearing. I'm pretty sure they are unaligned.

You make good points about EGW, I agree we shouldn't assume any role is 100% town. But I can believe scum ahippo using his real motivator as a suspicion escape card and N2 Bop coaching phillip to withhold marking N3 and claim to have been marked. I've got a strong meta town read on EGW. But yeah, if you and phillip are both town, than I think EGW is next.

Thats fair, but still in my head the question of why Bop didnt wait for them can very well be a perspective slip in /not trying to solve them/ . So I dont think its unpairing, and it saying it wasnt clearing was just something true, even though Bop said that and didnt have them as cleared like other people, they *always* kept somi at arm's lenght. Like, never pushing them despite not clearing them, not being bothere by it in the slightlest, and overall I find it to be in a position that it doesnt look bad if somi flips scum f.e.


For hippo, I already went on this D2, the motivator claim was clearly implied in his initial questioning, that was made when he had no suspicion on him .

As for the bubblez meltdown. That was genuine frustration, I am not doubting that. But it *can be* caught scum frustration that felt like he didnt have a chance to play the game. On a vaccuum that post alone I would say its more likely town imo, but on a general play somi has been fitting a perfect under the radar scum, and there were arguments D1 to vote bubblez , arguments made by flipped town . So like those are worth a revisit and not just ignoring all the other content from somi because of one assumption of a post

[Santygrass]

@Santy, if you are scum you are one of the best players I've ever played with. But I still believe it.

Okay say that if Im town too and then it wold be flattering >.<

Like, to be completely fair the people with more meta and that know my scumgame the best aknowledge that almost anything is within my range. I always love a little mischief~

[Santygrass]

But still, we have the numbers to afford my misyeet here and have a better position for tomorrow.

And yes Sabrar, you should consider that opening the can of Worms as a possibility. Like I said, Suppression mafia seems to not have a direct form to kill, hence no way to really eliminate a day threat. I think them having a good fakeclaim role (like cop) or a role that makes them appear as town for investigatives is not crazy at all. And flavor-wise Arthur is a Shepard, not deep into game lore but seems like someone that in the surface is 'good' for the world but was secretly evil and plotting and all that jam, so could fit .

So basically embrace behavior scum hunting, we have the info to make it through, specially with you and heury as hard clears no matter what happens tbh