Tales of Desolation mafia Engame

[Santygrass]

Can you clarify what suppressed means? Did you receive a mark, or was just told that your action failed?

yes i received a mark, and was told my action failed.

Then this should be clearing for JC as well, since they were jailed

[Santygrass]

I would also be careful still with clearing the cops. I'll probably be around and put some thoughts tonight. But with 3 clears~ and only one scum (and one mark) we should be in a pretty good position

[Santygrass]

Yeet Santy, double cop and jail Philip? JC tracks at his discretion (probably me).

I think you should be the one jailed, and JC tracks one of the cops here IMO

[boomfrog]

Yeet Santy, double cop and jail Philip? JC tracks at his discretion (probably me).

I think you should be the one jailed, and JC tracks one of the cops here IMO

I was planning to track tonight. But yeah we don't need to double down on phillip

[boomfrog]

I mean there's no world where Phillip is coordinating with madge, and I doubt claiming a mark is in his scumrange. Maybe cops cop each other and I get jailed?

[Sabrar]

Suppose madge just threw out the mark as a distraction, and phillip jumped on the opportunity because he was the last to claim. I'm not going to lose to a non-participating player if I can avoid it, we have no idea what is in their scum-range (Bop could have taught them extensively D3).

[Sabrar]

I am aligned with a shepherd, not aligned with calamity, Zesteria.

If EGW is scum he is from Berseria, but also aligned with Shepherd. somitomi checking him will produce no real result.

I'm from Berseria, aligned with a Lord of Calamity, not aligned with a Shepherd.

If somitomi is scum he is aligned with Shephered, but also from Berseria. EGW checking him will produce no real result.

Conclusion: cops should only check each other as a last resort.

[Santygrass]

Suppose madge just threw out the mark as a distraction, and phillip jumped on the opportunity because he was the last to claim. I'm not going to lose to a non-participating player if I can avoid it, we have no idea what is in their scum-range (Bop could have taught them extensively D3).

We will know when other marks appear if its real or not

[Santygrass]

Like, if its fake no one else is going t get marked pretty simple.

You are more likely going to lose the game on the assumption that the cops are always town because that is what makes sense in your head as a setup than the convoluted evil mastermind phillip being coached and lying in specific ways theory, for example.

Bop believing Frog with such ease (in a way tha made *you* Sabrar think they were the cop even) , can point pretty easily to them having one cop as partner. Somi to me fits really well, and heury/bessie is onto EGW with some valid points (in my mind is mostly Bop never really pushing EGW despite them being in a pretty poor position)

Suppression scum with an arsonist condition is likely to have something that lets them /survive/ , be that either a good fakeclaim or even investigative protection, remember to take that into consideration

[Santygrass]

I am aligned with a shepherd, not aligned with calamity, Zesteria.

If EGW is scum he is from Berseria, but also aligned with Shepherd. somitomi checking him will produce no real result.

I'm from Berseria, aligned with a Lord of Calamity, not aligned with a Shepherd.

If somitomi is scum he is aligned with Shephered, but also from Berseria. EGW checking him will produce no real result.

Conclusion: cops should only check each other as a last resort.

Last scum should be from Tales Of Berseria (I would bet its Arthur, fits the most as host to Innonimat or whatev is called)

If somi checks them and the result is Berseria, not Zestiria as they claimed they are outed.

Likewise with somi, Arthur should *NOT* be aligned with Lord of Calamity, so EGW checking somi and getting a Not aligned with Lord would also be outing

[Santygrass]

The Lord of Calamity in Berseria is Velvet (aka Heury role) .

Last scum is from Berseria and not aligned with Lord of Calamity. (Arthur is the Shepard of Berseria even, and last scum . In the games their main evil objective was to revive Innonimat or something along those lines)

[Sabrar]

If yeeting you doesn't end the game and the cops clear phillip then I promise I will reread.

[Sabrar]

If somi checks them and the result is Berseria, not Zestiria as they claimed they are outed.

Likewise with somi, Arthur should *NOT* be aligned with Lord of Calamity, so EGW checking somi and getting a Not aligned with Lord would also be outing

somi checks alignment, and EGW checks game, not vice versa. Unless I'm completely misremembering.

[Sabrar]

@somitomi: would you have that complete claim-list you mentioned earlier?

[Santygrass]

If yeeting you doesn't end the game and the cops clear phillip then I promise I will reread.

Im okay with being yeeted. So why dont you assume Im town and still hear me out? Im p confident that checking phillip is a waste of time. First because I strongly townread them (from hippo slot) , and second because mechanically they will be likely cleared the moment another Mark shows up, so its pretty simple to let them be on hold for a night and see what happens.

Bop had no way to coach them into taking the suppression mark thingy because they should've been assming that as dead scum Madge would help heury for example. Its like a super stretch. In almost all scenarios to me phillip is just town . Your assumption that the cops should be town is more broad/unfounded there 100% .

F.e. Suppression scum cop can still align with the town cop to help out the Malevolence mafia, which is the one that has more power in being able to kill directly during the night, and provides a scum that cant kill the people tha threaten them directly a pretty good claim to appear town. Because in your head that setup is 'neat' doesnt have a place in a solve, and you are heavily relying on it as very true when making the movements.

[Santygrass]

If somi checks them and the result is Berseria, not Zestiria as they claimed they are outed.

Likewise with somi, Arthur should *NOT* be aligned with Lord of Calamity, so EGW checking somi and getting a Not aligned with Lord would also be outing

somi checks alignment, and EGW checks game, not vice versa. Unless I'm completely misremembering.

Ooop maybe I had them mixed up, going to check

[Santygrass]

I'm Zestaria or Berseria cop, I learn which game the target's character is from.

Somi is games cop

EGW calamity alignment cop

[Santygrass]

So it should work them checking each other in theory

[Santygrass]

- Yeet me
- Sabrar jails Boomfrog
- EGW checks somi
- Somi checks EGW
- JC tracks one of EGW/somi (their choice)
- Frog hoslters (their track can come in clutch next night)
- Heury with the help of Bessie and Madge craft a lovely tribute for my sacrifice today to post at Start of Day


Sounds like a plan to me :hmmyes:

[Santygrass]

- Yeet me
- Sabrar jails Boomfrog
- EGW checks somi
- Somi checks EGW
- JC tracks one of EGW/somi (their choice)
- Frog hoslters (their track can come in clutch next night)
- Heury with the help of Bessie and Madge craft a lovely tribute for my sacrifice today to post at Start of Day


Sounds like a plan to me :hmmyes:

And Phillip should try to motivate Sabrar ofc, still our most powerful role

[Sabrar]

Yeah, I had them mixed, not sure why. Updated plan:

- we yeet Santy
- cops check each other
- I jail phillip
- JC tracks EGW
- Boomfrog tracks somi

[Santygrass]

Yeah, I had them mixed, not sure why. Updated plan:

- we yeet Santy
- cops check each other
- I jail phillip
- JC tracks EGW
- Boomfrog tracks somi

Hmm I think this is also okay. Moreso because last scum can use the Mark to also roleblock. This way the cop check is doubled with the track+cop on each

[Santygrass]

@EGW still waiting for your reads btw!

[heuristically_alone]

Can you clarify what suppressed means? Did you receive a mark, or was just told that your action failed?

yes i received a mark, and was told my action failed.

Were you told if all future actions will fail why you have a mark of suppression?

The Santy yeet does make the most sense.

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[Sabrar]

madge was able to act both N1 and N2 while having a mark (if we believe her). Mark and RB should be independent abilities.