Tales of Desolation mafia Engame

[somitomi]

@Heury: is your kill compulsive?

No

In that case I think we should talk about whether we even want to use your kill. I'm of the opinion that it'd be better to take it slow and give ourselves more time and information to decide on elims the normal way.

- how does Santy know that wam's claim is fake? It would be bastard for the mod to give scum a fake-claim that can be easily disproved, so either wam somehow messed up his claim, or Santy is his buddy and this was hard-bussing. Or Santy has some other result on wam (either as town or other scum-team). If we accept that wam's team is flavorblind then Edna was surely the fake claim given to wam. However that might present an issue if Eiden is truly in the game. It all comes back to how Santy knew?

I've been wondering why Wam was the only one to claim that particular combination of shepherd/lord alignment and game. That'd suggest mafia didn't know this would implicate them, but madge did try obfuscating her claim.

Somi: asks good questions, good at clarifying, pretty much only in this neutral slot bc of getting by flavor claiming after the reveal of why it was happening.

If it counts for anything, I didn't get to your explanation before claiming

[boomfrog]

Yes sir. Heury targeted Bessie n1, I targeted heury again n2 to verify if his visit led to devour

Ahh now that is interesting. That shows a townie mindset in using your power. Thank you for sharing.

Anyway, I'm a JOAT. We know N1. N2 I used traffic analyser on Sabrar and got that my target has no traffic. (And I verified last mafioso on a team would still have traffic.)

I have 2 more powers. Do you guys want me to claim them?

Role name is Bienfu

[boomfrog]

Ehh, I should claim them. They can help a mech solve.

Tracker and bodyguard

[heuristically_alone]

VOTE: Santygrass

This is the better vote. Both wam and madges's alignment claims didn't make since and there were scum. Santy is the last of the 3 whose claim didn't make sense.

[Santygrass]

Somi: asks good questions, good at clarifying, pretty much only in this neutral slot bc of getting by flavor claiming after the reveal of why it was happening.


_{Santy: Wants to coast off of Wam vote, which could easily have been a bus (for instance. Had we decided to believe Wam’s false claim, they could still butt heads publicly in case one of them dies but would’ve basically both been cleared until then.) This also explains Santy’s insistence on only getting Wam’s potentially remaining teammates today-Santy is sure they wouldn’t be on that list, and has told us as such. I'm growing more sure on this. Also with their "I'm locktown" assumption they'd functionally be getting a second night kill through heury if we democratically point him.}

Bop, Kindly. Wtf hahaha .

Why are you so charitable to somi and so uncharitable to me here?

Are you really thinking that I am coasting??? Like, have you read what I did the past day. It doesnt seem that way to me? You are treating me so dismissively making it seem like I only solved around Wam, which I did not, I put a lot of content and solve, already called you out on this the past day btw.
And like, for the flavor thing I was one of the people that were obviously *aware* of the flavour implocations, and provided explanations that make sense of why I have these alignments (something that Wam for the life of him couldnt do!) , like I showed to have flavor awareness but at the same time I let both of Wam and Madge struggle? For Madge even after she complains about not getting it much I replied to her on thread lol very quickly, before you outed the Wam accusation (which btw its mostly on you we not having the security on somi because you didnt waited for them before accusing Wam that way).

And lfurthermore, how its coasting and at the same time actively proposing to not yeet the consensus sus slot in heury? Xd . Itd be super easy for me to coast and let you all Heury /shrug. Like sorry Bop but you're tripping hard on this line of thinking its flawed af .

[Santygrass]

Nothing additional to claim. Willing to vote EGW or Santy today.

*Bonk*

[Santygrass]

VOTE: Santygrass

This is the better vote. Both wam and madges's alignment claims didn't make since and there were scum. Santy is the last of the 3 whose claim didn't make sense.

You havent even read why I said Im aligned with both, have you?

[Santygrass]

Yes sir. Heury targeted Bessie n1, I targeted heury again n2 to verify if his visit led to devour

This makes sense. Though the target on n2 is a bit overkill (you already had the n1 result+therion claim)

[Santygrass]

Yes sir. Heury targeted Bessie n1, I targeted heury again n2 to verify if his visit led to devour

Ahh now that is interesting. That shows a townie mindset in using your power. Thank you for sharing.

Anyway, I'm a JOAT. We know N1. N2 I used traffic analyser on Sabrar and got that my target has no traffic. (And I verified last mafioso on a team would still have traffic.)

I have 2 more powers. Do you guys want me to claim them?

Role name is Bienfu

Nice, then this should be the closest we can get to a green check on Sabrar right?

[Santygrass]

Why are you voting me so lazily heury? What happened to all of your motivation from earlier days? I want to see you solving today

[Santygrass]

Frog JOAT seems to be part of other roles already present in the game

Psychic - Bessie role
Tracker - JC role
Bodyguard - My role
Traffic Analyser - Half of wam role (Probably the half that was safe to claim in thread and seem like towny)

[boomfrog]

Santy, why do you think wam had traffic analyser?

[Sabrar]

Seriously Boomfrog?

Wam, Symmone, Malevolance Mafia traffic analyist and redirector has been sealed away (eliminated)

[Sabrar]

I am happy to draw up plans either tomorrow evening (if all claims will be there) or on Thursday. Be aware that with 1-2 people lying about their abilities nothing can be certain and we will need to make a number of assumptions (some of them more likely to be true than others).

i never know what to type for these things. can anyone recommend a good target for my power?

Please make an explicit claim whether you have used an ability on Night 2 or not.

[Santygrass]

@Heury: is your kill compulsive?

No

In that case I think we should talk about whether we even want to use your kill. I'm of the opinion that it'd be better to take it slow and give ourselves more time and information to decide on elims the normal way.

That is also an option, but not using a towk aligned kp in some scenarios can just makes us have one less aligned town kill. And its only worth to consider if we are sure the game can be solved only on mech results (Which I dont think it should be) . But lets math regardless.



Scenario Aa : 2 Scum left (2 mafia) - Heury gets to shoot
D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 2 kills (mafia + heury vig)
D4 : 6 Alive. On misyeet, day ends up at 5
N4 : We depend on night actions to not lose to parity, (either by protection , blocking or shooting mafia)

Total number of town designated kills: 3-4 (4 if N4 heury is alive and shoots)

Scenario Ab : 2 Scum left (2 mafia) - Heury holsters
D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 1 kill (mafia)
D4 : 7 Alive. On misyeet, day ends up at 6
N4 : Heury if alive HAS to holster, them misfiring is gamelosing
D5 : Yeet or lose with 5 alive

Total number of town designated kills : 3

Scenario Ba 2 scum left (1 mafia + heury sk) Heury does shoot

D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 2 kills (mafia + heury sk)
D4 : 6 Alive. Heury should be outed today unable to provide bessie clearance, we yeet them
N4 : Only 1 mafia kill
D5 : 4 alive. (Sleep into yeeting D6 should be the optimal move here)

Number of town designated kills 3-4 (4th being a potential on how sk!heury plays it on n3)

Scenario Bb (1 mafia + heury sk) Heury doesnt shoot


D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 1kills from mafia
D4 : 7 Alive. Heury should be outed today unable to provide bessie clearance, we yeet them (which is why I think this scenario is unlikely to happen in sk!heury worlds)
N4 : Only 1 mafia kill
D5 : 5 alive.with yeet, Day ends at 4
N5 : Mafia kill
D6 : Yeet or lose with 3 alive

Number of town designated kills 4


Conclussion : Ehhhh holstering doesnt seem that bad. Personally still wouldnt do it but could see the angle specially considering we are better in the sk!heury scenarios (either helps us out them more, or if they follow along still in a better position) , in the vig!heury scenarios them shooting gives us an additional potential kill though but on risky scenario as well .

[Santygrass]

Wam, Symmone, Malevolance Mafia traffic analyist and redirector has been sealed away (eliminated)

Note: the “Edna” role PM is just a bit of fun on my part for how I'd implement what was claimed and just creating a theoretical role name was me having fun with Symmone’s flavor because her whole thing is illusions and the flavor was based entirely on his in thread claims combined with elements from Symmone's in game defeat. As such, it does not confirm anything or anyone exists in the game besides the just flipped Wam’s Symmone flavor and her role and alignment. Nor does it confirm I would implement such a role obviously.

Note 2: a redirector and traffic analyst, as a personal night action, can use either the traffic analyst role night action OR the redirector night action.

@Boomfrog

[phillip1882]

i never know what to type for these things. can anyone recommend a good target for my power?

Please make an explicit claim whether you have used an ability on Night 2 or not

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no, I tried to use it night 2 but chose an invalid target.

[Santygrass]

i never know what to type for these things. can anyone recommend a good target for my power?

Please make an explicit claim whether you have used an ability on Night 2 or not

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no, I tried to use it night 2 but chose an invalid target.

Who did you target?

[Sabrar]

ping

Please claim.

[boomfrog]

Seriously Boomfrog?

Wam, Symmone, Malevolance Mafia traffic analyist and redirector has been sealed away (eliminated)

I was asking him from a game balance perspective, why did the mod give wam traffic analyzer.

[Sabrar]

Then consider me shutting up.

[Santygrass]

Ohh, I interpreted like Sabrar did hahaha~
I think it can serve some niche purposes in non multiball , and even in multiball the redirecter is the better role to use almost always. To me tye Traffic Analyser is the 'towny cred' role there imo, for potential interactions with imitator or psychic f.e.

[somitomi]

Frog JOAT seems to be part of other roles already present in the game

Psychic - Bessie role
Tracker - JC role
Bodyguard - My role
Traffic Analyser - Half of wam role (Probably the half that was safe to claim in thread and seem like towny)

Which means what to you?

That is also an option, but not using a towk aligned kp in some scenarios can just makes us have one less aligned town kill. And its only worth to consider if we are sure the game can be solved only on mech results (Which I dont think it should be) . But lets math regardless.

for brevity

Scenario Aa : 2 Scum left (2 mafia) - Heury gets to shoot
D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 2 kills (mafia + heury vig)
D4 : 6 Alive. On misyeet, day ends up at 5
N4 : We depend on night actions to not lose to parity, (either by protection , blocking or shooting mafia)

Total number of town designated kills: 3-4 (4 if N4 heury is alive and shoots)

Scenario Ab : 2 Scum left (2 mafia) - Heury holsters
D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 1 kill (mafia)
D4 : 7 Alive. On misyeet, day ends up at 6
N4 : Heury if alive HAS to holster, them misfiring is gamelosing
D5 : Yeet or lose with 5 alive

Total number of town designated kills : 3

Scenario Ba 2 scum left (1 mafia + heury sk) Heury does shoot

D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 2 kills (mafia + heury sk)
D4 : 6 Alive. Heury should be outed today unable to provide bessie clearance, we yeet them
N4 : Only 1 mafia kill
D5 : 4 alive. (Sleep into yeeting D6 should be the optimal move here)

Number of town designated kills 3-4 (4th being a potential on how sk!heury plays it on n3)

Scenario Bb (1 mafia + heury sk) Heury doesnt shoot


D3 : 9 Alive -1 from yeet. Day ends at 8
N3 : 1kills from mafia
D4 : 7 Alive. Heury should be outed today unable to provide bessie clearance, we yeet them (which is why I think this scenario is unlikely to happen in sk!heury worlds)
N4 : Only 1 mafia kill
D5 : 5 alive.with yeet, Day ends at 4
N5 : Mafia kill
D6 : Yeet or lose with 3 alive

Number of town designated kills 4


Conclussion : Ehhhh holstering doesnt seem that bad. Personally still wouldnt do it but could see the angle specially considering we are better in the sk!heury scenarios (either helps us out them more, or if they follow along still in a better position) , in the vig!heury scenarios them shooting gives us an additional potential kill though but on risky scenario as well .

Yeah, the thought that this may give town less kills overall occured to me after making that post and (without walking through the numbers) I had the same general thought that it hinges on what Heury actually is. I also agree that sk!Heury holstering is unlikely unless we actively use a roleblock to ensure that, but given the chance that he might hit scum for us by accident that may be a waste.
Conclusion: Eeeehh, letting Heury shoot doesn't seem that bad

[JC_DADDY25]

i never know what to type for these things. can anyone recommend a good target for my power?

Please make an explicit claim whether you have used an ability on Night 2 or not

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no, I tried to use it night 2 but chose an invalid target.

Does your role have any limitations on who you could target? Unsure why you would get invalid target as a reply.

[Bop]

ping

Please claim.

On it! Shame as my ability is most useful when scum are unware of it, but this helps with the overall solve.

I’m Rokurou, and have a two-shot ability Vengeful Stance (functions as a kill mirror/weak ascetic) Twice this game, at night I can choose to activate my stance. When I’m in my stance, I will counter the first kill directed at me.(I cannot counter a second and no other actions will get blocked if I counter.) If I did not counter a kill, all other actions used on me have a 50% chance of being blocked. I know how many actions I block, if any, but not what it was or who used it. I would obviously know if I countered.

Willing to claim which nights (if any) I’ve used this and what I learned if we need, but obviously only if we deem it necessary due to it being limited and how it can affect scum’s kill choice behavior.

@Somi, I think you're all that's left for fullclaims!