Tales of Desolation mafia Engame

[moody7277]

I'm not the only who puts themselves as towniest

I'm not a big fan of other people doing that either, but it's wine so I just ignore it. The reason I'm looking at it specifically this time is in trying to figure out why townvig!you would take out someone in the middle of your reads list instead of going after your #1 scum read.

[phillip1882]

please claim whether you're Zestiria or Berseria and if you're aligned with a Lord of Calamity

i'm sergie. not aligned with lord of calamity , but am aligned with shepherd.

[Santygrass]

Also agree with the not promise to yeet heury tomorrow. We only guarantee yeet heury if they make some excuse to not shoot on a slot we discuss and agree to shoot at.

This way we can discuss two slots today to "yeet" in a sense. One with todays elimination, and other with heury's shot

[Santygrass]

I'm not the only who puts themselves as towniest

I'm not a big fan of other people doing that either, but it's wine so I just ignore it. The reason I'm looking at it specifically this time is in trying to figure out why townvig!you would take out someone in the middle of your reads list instead of going after your #1 scum read.

I also do it. And like you're totally wrong on it being something bad. One important aspect as town is that you are the only confirmed town most of the cases from your pov, and should solve and play accordingly.

I think heury explained today why they targeted bessie lemme find it

[Santygrass]

The fact that no one said anything such as you who were on at the time let me know that those who had paid attention probably realized I could be the vig so keeping silent was a town tell. Yes, anyone I devour I have night chat with them. So Bessie and I chatted for the first time during N2. And I'll be able to chat with Madge as well, but I don't see any reason to. Claiming now because I think it's important town realizes the devour was a vig kill. And assuming you all believe me, then I can share Bessie's insight as well before I get killed. I targeted Bessie because I wanted to pick someone who was tough to read and hopefully get lucky on scum, but if they're town then they are still dedicated enough to give reads to share on the main thread. I targeted Madge because I was fairly certain she wasn't town. She claimed Mason early and had coasted the rest of the game.

Wether this is convincing or not its still out to jury

[moody7277]

The reason it's wine is that scum would also put themselves as top townie on a list. It's been reasoned out already that heury is a D4 issue and that scumhunting, whether Malevolence or otherwise, is the D3 issue.

[Sabrar]

Personally I never put myself in my read list, it's an axiom that I'm town, not a read. But I also don't care if others do it.

[moody7277]

Personally I never put myself in my read list, it's an axiom that I'm town, not a read. But I also don't care if others do it.

Bashir: So you always say you're town.
Garak: I always am town, doctor.
Bashir: Even when you're scum.
Garak: Especially when I'm scum.

[heuristically_alone]

I've also put myself closer to scum on my reads list as town. In a game that I felt scummier. I'm fine if you want to yeet me D4 if it helps solve the game. I'm confident if we claim Sabrar can come up with a mechanical game solve. I think we should all full claim D4 and if anyone wants to claim today that's fine, but to give scum one more shot in the dark without the full claims.

[boomfrog]

Let's just vote EGW today and then I'll likely be night killed

Vote: EGW

For both of you: What faction do you think EGW is on? Why do you think that faction has a flavor cop?

@Heury

[Santygrass]

All the important roles are already claimed at this point (Bodyguard, Vigilante, Flavor Cop, Frog Joat , Sabrar role can be infered from what was discussed)

I think claiming today is benefitial because it leaves remaining scum less wiggle room, while also informing us more to make a better yeet today + better shot tonight

[heuristically_alone]

Btw something else so should probably claim is that my ability outprioritizes a standard kill but other special kills may outprioritize my kill. We haven't seen any other special kills, but it is a possibility in this game still

[Santygrass]

I forgot about phillip motivator aswell that is also claimed hahaha

[boomfrog]

Heury is either the most powerful townie that we must protect or he is an SK. Most of our powers are weaker than standard cop/doc/vig/watcher etc, Heury's is stronger than a normal vig. Arguably standard vig is a weak (and highly volatile) role, so maybe Adum thought it needed some temperance on the volatility by having it have a little safety. But I'm shocked that it wouldn't be limited shots if it's a town power.

[Santygrass]

Heury is either the most powerful townie that we must protect or he is an SK. Most of our powers are weaker than standard cop/doc/vig/watcher etc, Heury's is stronger than a normal vig. Arguably standard vig is a weak (and highly volatile) role, so maybe Adum thought it needed some temperance on the volatility by having it have a little safety. But I'm shocked that it wouldn't be limited shots if it's a town power.

Yeah, agreed. Its also the protagonist from Tales Of Berseria . Mak role was also kinda strong and also a protagonist but not on the same level tbh

But if they say that bessie sees them as confirmed town and he can relay something only bessie would know to kinda confirm that is a big positive I think?

Dont saw them replying to what Sabrar asked them in regards to bessie yet though

[Sabrar]

Heury is either the most powerful townie that we must protect

We never protect heury here, if scum wants to resolve him for us they are welcome.

[Sabrar]

Dont saw them replying to what Sabrar asked them in regards to bessie yet though

Claim is that they have only night-chat. Any confirmation needs to wait.

[Santygrass]

Heury is either the most powerful townie that we must protect

We never protect heury here, if scum wants to resolve him for us they are welcome.

Agreed

[heuristically_alone]

Let's just vote EGW today and then I'll likely be night killed

Vote: EGW

For both of you: What faction do you think EGW is on? Why do you think that faction has a flavor cop?

@Heury

EGW hasn't been cleared as a flavor cop yet right? I'm leaning on one mafia team with maybe a one shot special kills. At most 4 scum matea

[heuristically_alone]

Heury is either the most powerful townie that we must protect

We never protect heury here, if scum wants to resolve him for us they are welcome.

Agreed

Agreed

[Santygrass]

For both of you: What faction do you think EGW is on? Why do you think that faction has a flavor cop?

@Heury

EGW hasn't been cleared as a flavor cop yet right? I'm leaning on one mafia team with maybe a one shot special kills. At most 4 scum matea

Frog Psychic from n1 result was that he was tageted by 2 flavor cops. EGW is one of those

[heuristically_alone]

Even if it's true, scum equally as town have reasoning to be able to flavor hunt

[somitomi]

I feel like I am repeating myself and people still come to ask thing I've alreasy said at this point.
The moment I subbed in I clarified how I approach multiball, and this is still the case. As for Heury Ive said like 50 times like Im clearing them as non malevonce mafia, hence why I wouldnt yeet them today.

I think going today for Heury because they could be SK , only helps scum to not solve shit, and only talk about setup speculation.
I have talked why Its best/optimal to not yeet heury today and have them leashed, Sabrar and Frog have come to similar conclussion , I think its just the best for us to win.
Correct move in both multiball/and non multiball scenarios.
Heury being scum is great in multiball/indy worlds, but in worlds in which we are NOT in multiball , yeeting our town vig is like, a horrible move for us, specially if regardless if they are vig or sk they are forced to shoot who we want on the risk of being outed

It's possible I missed it, I fully own not having read every post in the thread, so if you'll indulge me for a moment I'd like to ask you for a link. Although this is probably not particularly important I would like to understand this a bit better. As for Heury specifically, this does answer the question of what you were trying to do with the hypothetical question and I am inclined to agree that this day phase can be better utilised by looking for the remaining scum elsewhere. I'm not certain if we should use Heury's kill as a second elimination though, BoomFrog has a point that the flip is important for subseqent elims and we shouldn't rush past it.

@Heury: is your kill compulsive?

Personally I never put myself in my read list, it's an axiom that I'm town, not a read. But I also don't care if others do it.

Yeah, it's an inconsequential style thing

All the important roles are already claimed at this point (Bodyguard, Vigilante, Flavor Cop, Frog Joat , Sabrar role can be infered from what was discussed)

I think claiming today is benefitial because it leaves remaining scum less wiggle room, while also informing us more to make a better yeet today + better shot tonight

Agree, especially if we are planning to use Heury's shot. Which I guess means moody should give us a claim order again

[heuristically_alone]

@Heury: is your kill compulsive?

No

[Sabrar]

@moody7277: just in case you missed, please give a claim order.