Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[Santygrass]

Don't remember if I asked this before, but is your neighborhood one night only Moody or do you get to keep it?

i dont think this is information that benefits us right now if moody shares it. Since it doesnt help us solve, but will help wolves to weigh in who is best to nightkill

[Santygrass]

Sabrar voted me while waiting for a Heury case. I was hard trying to convince him on Heury. If Sabrar is scum then that leads me to believe I was correct on Heury. You even agreed with me on my heury points. Now Heury giving blanket statements doesn't help.

My reasoning to unpair them is far stronger than this point you have here. EGW, I dont want to be rude, but the way you have been acting today made you like *very very* pushable for mafia aswell. Like a very easy to justify push. Dont think Scum!Sabrar votes you because of your case on heury in specific, and moreso because they could feel that a wagon on you could gain the same if not more traction than a wagon on heury

[moody7277]

Don't remember if I asked this before, but is your neighborhood one night only Moody or do you get to keep it?

i dont think this is information that benefits us right now if moody shares it. Since it doesnt help us solve, but will help wolves to weigh in who is best to nightkill

Well, I'm already dead, and I haven't said who I'm chatting with, so scum don't have that help. I agree it's tangential with EoD-5 hours (I think).

[JC_DADDY25]

Also on a Sabrar scum flip, heury is giga cleared aswell from all the /Sabrar scum slipped/ situation

No.

Yes, you dont accuse a partner in such a damning way, specially in a way that Adum had to clarify/talk about it being a mod error when replying to the same question apparently. So Sabrar and Heury should never be sharing a chat

I know you're not taking multi ball into account for your reads, so I understand why you're saying this. Thing is, this does not clear Huery from being indy or being in a second scum team.

Something did cross my mind though when looking into this whole Wam thing again, and that's you Santy...

We know Wam has a win con if he's able to yeet you. In game Edna kills her brother who has become a dragon and is killing people, in order to stop him. You being town in this situation doesn't make much sense, flavorwise, considering what you become. Can you help me make it make sense?

[Santygrass]

Don't remember if I asked this before, but is your neighborhood one night only Moody or do you get to keep it?

i dont think this is information that benefits us right now if moody shares it. Since it doesnt help us solve, but will help wolves to weigh in who is best to nightkill

Well, I'm already dead, and I haven't said who I'm chatting with, so scum don't have that help. I agree it's tangential with EoD-5 hours (I think).

Its moreso the fact that you already said what action type your neighbor had (they acted on Sabrar) , so you revealing them would also out their action and is just unnecesary

[EGW]

No, if Sabrar is scum my gut feels Heury is scum with them. However let me ask you this. How do you feel about Heurys play today?

[EGW]

Like, individually.

[Santygrass]

No.

Yes, you dont accuse a partner in such a damning way, specially in a way that Adum had to clarify/talk about it being a mod error when replying to the same question apparently. So Sabrar and Heury should never be sharing a chat

I know you're not taking multi ball into account for your reads, so I understand why you're saying this. Thing is, this does not clear Huery from being indy or being in a second scum team.

Something did cross my mind though when looking into this whole Wam thing again, and that's you Santy...

We know Wam has a win con if he's able to yeet you. In game Edna kills her brother who has become a dragon and is killing people, in order to stop him. You being town in this situation doesn't make much sense, flavorwise, considering what you become. Can you help me make it make sense?

Answer is that Edna is a fakeclaim , they clearly dont have that wincon.
I am Eizen and town, you can check what my character does in Tales of Berseria ~

[JC_DADDY25]

Don't remember if I asked this before, but is your neighborhood one night only Moody or do you get to keep it?

i dont think this is information that benefits us right now if moody shares it. Since it doesnt help us solve, but will help wolves to weigh in who is best to nightkill

Who he's chatting with isn't what I'm asking, just if they are able to keep chatting. If Moody trusts who he's talking to that's good for us, and doesn't give scum a nightkill target at all. Not sure where you got that from.

[Santygrass]

Like, individually.

Its not that much towny. I kinda have the feel that they *could* be Indy, specially with how hard JC has been gunning for that read in D1 (possible scum TMI?) , but feels like a stretch . I have a town explanation that explains heury claim/actions somewhat so its not a priority to yeet after Wam flip to me imo

[Santygrass]

Don't remember if I asked this before, but is your neighborhood one night only Moody or do you get to keep it?

i dont think this is information that benefits us right now if moody shares it. Since it doesnt help us solve, but will help wolves to weigh in who is best to nightkill

Who he's chatting with isn't what I'm asking, just if they are able to keep chatting. If Moody trusts who he's talking to that's good for us, and doesn't give scum a nightkill target at all. Not sure where you got that from.

True, I mixed reasonings in my head. Still my point stands, that if mafia has any sort of clue or knowledge of who could they be and they are town. Knowing if they can keep chatting or not makes them more or less dangerous for them, so its valuable info for them. And for town there is really no benefit in knowing that rn

[JC_DADDY25]

Answer is that Edna is a fakeclaim , they clearly dont have that wincon.
I am Eizen and town, you can check what my character does in Tales of Berseria ~

But you're claiming to be from both, and it would not be smart to disregard what you become in Tales of Zestiria.

[EGW]

I think you are putting too much stock into *Wam should be voted*. The claim does not factor into my read whatsoever.

[EGW]

That is to Santy by the way.

[JC_DADDY25]

i dont think this is information that benefits us right now if moody shares it. Since it doesnt help us solve, but will help wolves to weigh in who is best to nightkill

Who he's chatting with isn't what I'm asking, just if they are able to keep chatting. If Moody trusts who he's talking to that's good for us, and doesn't give scum a nightkill target at all. Not sure where you got that from.

True, I mixed reasonings in my head. Still my point stands, that if mafia has any sort of clue or knowledge of who could they be and they are town. Knowing if they can keep chatting or not makes them more or less dangerous for them, so its valuable info for them. And for town there is really no benefit in knowing that rn

You think if Moody is no longer able to chat with the person they are chatting with, that makes that person any less of a threat to scum?

[Makhaira]

hey guys. newbie joining in place of ahippo.
i'm not really sure what more to post, but will try to comment every day.

your slot has claimed to be a motivator, that being a role that can target another player and double their ability by allowing them to act twice the following night. this may allow another player to use two different abilities once each as well but that I dont know if ahippo claimed that when they claimed. you may be able to deduce whether or not this is the case based on the language in your role PM or by asking the mod private questions about your role. Do not ever quote info in your role PM or your communications with the mod, paraphrase only

Boom is correct that you should focus on deciding who you most think is town and trust to use the benefit you are getting for the towns benefit. I highly recommend you do not target sabrar again as hippo already did that N1 and it is better for town to not overcentralize that ability unless you KNOW that the person you are spamming has a good, pro town role. I also recommend you do not target me as I cannot make use of your ability in any way

Boom is correct that moody is a confirmed town player so if you are having trouble deciding moody is a good person's advice to blindly follow in a pinch

[EGW]

Hey Mak. Thoughts on thread development?

[Santygrass]

Answer is that Edna is a fakeclaim , they clearly dont have that wincon.
I am Eizen and town, you can check what my character does in Tales of Berseria ~

But you're claiming to be from both, and it would not be smart to disregard what you become in Tales of Zestiria.

Fair ig (?)
But that is what the wiki says about my character, a mindless dragon is not like, a very interesting flavor ngl. But this is moot when Wam flip will clear a lot about this regardless

[Santygrass]

I think you are putting too much stock into *Wam should be voted*. The claim does not factor into my read whatsoever.

I dont know what you mean here

[JC_DADDY25]

He's actually described as a mindless MURDEROUS dragon, but I understand why you'd leave that out.

[Santygrass]

Who he's chatting with isn't what I'm asking, just if they are able to keep chatting. If Moody trusts who he's talking to that's good for us, and doesn't give scum a nightkill target at all. Not sure where you got that from.

True, I mixed reasonings in my head. Still my point stands, that if mafia has any sort of clue or knowledge of who could they be and they are town. Knowing if they can keep chatting or not makes them more or less dangerous for them, so its valuable info for them. And for town there is really no benefit in knowing that rn

You think if Moody is no longer able to chat with the person they are chatting with, that makes that person any less of a threat to scum?

Yes . And most relevant point is still the same. It doesnt help us solve

[Santygrass]

He's actually described as a mindless MURDEROUS dragon, but I understand why you'd leave that out.

:wowee:

[JC_DADDY25]

True, I mixed reasonings in my head. Still my point stands, that if mafia has any sort of clue or knowledge of who could they be and they are town. Knowing if they can keep chatting or not makes them more or less dangerous for them, so its valuable info for them. And for town there is really no benefit in knowing that rn

You think if Moody is no longer able to chat with the person they are chatting with, that makes that person any less of a threat to scum?

Yes . And most relevant point is still the same. It doesnt help us solve

I think Moody and who he's talking with having a line of communication to bounce ideas off of helps them solve, which helps us to solve in the long run. Moody is able to give us important information without putting the person getting it in any risk. I don't understand how you don't see that as beneficial to us winning the game.

[Makhaira]

Hey Mak. Thoughts on thread development?

ok we have santys legacy now, we should end the day and flip wam

if wam townflips we get townconf!santy anyway based on wam's claim, if he's town he has no reason to make up that santy is conftown from his role PM and adum would never bastard that and make that a lie

if wam scumflips we get conftown santy anyway cuz otherwise this is an insane bus for no reason there were plenty of other viable targets, AND we get WAY ahead on tempo

tonight all protectives should be on sabrar. sabrar is set to be doubled tonight and is expected to fullclaim tomorrow. hippo SHOULD NOT target sabrar nor myself, its useless on me. He should target his strongest townread or whoever moody recommends

scum are in a dilemma, if its town!sab they are under the gun to try to snuff that, RB may be sufficient which they prob have but we have to force the pressure there for the kill if they are on cooldown or otherwise have multitasking restrictions. santy is about to be conftown either way so they have pressure to resolve that tension soon because santy cant go to endgame cleared or its ggs for them. we have multiple other claimed PRs that will make it difficult for 2, presumably uncoordinated NKs, to contain efficiently especially considering the risks of kill overlapping which buys town tempo

I think giving scum any more time to think only helps them, and the flip info we will get tomorrow will narrows POEs considerably. if sab lives and is town we could be about to crack the pinata

[Makhaira]

Ill be here till deadline but tbh this day is tapped, we have what we need. time to make scum commit and see where we come out. they have a lot of tough choices and tbh the wrong NKs could reallllly put them behind and I don't want them to have any more time to do the calculus. I think I know the optimal counterplay but its not straightforward because they don't have ALL the info