Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[EGW]

Ninja'd, that was for Sabrar.

[Bop]

Sabrar, what is your thoughts on the claim?

It is technically possible but a nightmare to balance. Doesn't seem to fit the flavor well. Most likely false.

I think that's where I land.

It's hard for me to accept a case based on flavor of all things. It seemed like you were pushing LHF because you had no other option. I'm town and my focus is not on other reading me correctly but in trying to be correct, in terms of in-game content. I don't really trust anything flavor wise.

I just. Please at least continue to post your results as a flavor cop even if you won't use them for your solves. My god.

[Santygrass]

I have no flip flopping of aligning with shepard or lord of calamity at all. And like I said, I have the explanations of why Im aligned with each. If Wam is being truthful, they should be able to have an explanation by Adum lf why their character switchs lf alignings with the day, or like *who* is the lord of calamity they are even aligned to apparently.

The Lord of Calamity Im aligned is clearly Velvet, but thats doesnt apply to Edna.

Self-Resolve means that the usage of my own role will eventually clear me as town

[Santygrass]

And let me reiterate. I am not independent. I am town. Full permision to kill me if what Wam claims is true.

I am town and have reason to believe the claim cant be true

[Santygrass]

Does EGW have an antibus policy or something btw?

[EGW]

No, I do not. I genuinely believed Mak/Hippo/Santy was the solve and you were misyeeting Wam as LHF. However, Sabrar's handling of Wam has me concerned, and Wam never voted you with me which I was hoping for him to do.

I'm flipping my read yet again.

[Sabrar]

Where is your reads list.

I don't have one, my head hurts.

[EGW]

Unvote
Vote: EGW

I have a mechanical solve that says scum-team is {EGW, JC, Santy} by PoE.
I welcome people to argue against it either by pointing out connections or just general reasoning.
I might explain some of my observations later but providing full explanation would probably reveal too much info for scum.

Why exactly did you do this? What mechanical solve.

[Sabrar]

I thought I was able to guess enough roles based on available info to have a PoE solve.

[EGW]

Unvote; Vote: Sabrar

[EGW]

Consider this my support for a Wam wagon, which is at L-2.

[Sabrar]

Sure, buddy. I'm not even mad any more.

[JC_DADDY25]

No, I do not. I genuinely believed Mak/Hippo/Santy was the solve and you were misyeeting Wam as LHF. However, Sabrar's handling of Wam has me concerned, and Wam never voted you with me which I was hoping for him to do.

I'm flipping my read yet again.

Well surprise, surprise, surprise.

Mak is my top town read after Moody and myself. Not a popular take, but I cannot see a way that Mak is ever scum.

I need to go through and do a serious read on others, because so much has been posted and I really only did a quick read through of everything and posted responses as I went along last night. Night before I actually crashed out when I got home so there was a bunch to catch up on last night when I got off work.

Anyway, I'm off today so will try and get better read today, even though I'm not very good at them.

[Santygrass]

No, I do not. I genuinely believed Mak/Hippo/Santy was the solve and you were misyeeting Wam as LHF. However, Sabrar's handling of Wam has me concerned, and Wam never voted you with me which I was hoping for him to do.

I'm flipping my read yet again.

Time to bring receipts !!

@EGW do you think all the scum is piling on you? If not, who do you think is the mislead villa in your wagon?

I think one scum may have voted me, not more than one. I am thinking that is Wam currently thanks to you mostly.

This is proof of you weighing in MY PURELY SOCIAL scum read on Wam.

So truly, what are you on about my push being only because he is lhf and undermining it, now that we have even more damning evidence Egw???

[EGW]

So truly, what are you on about my push being only because he is lhf and undermining it, now that we have even more damning evidence Egw???

I said it felt like a misunderstanding, which is why I decided to go with my gut on you and two other players, those two not really progressing for town and you hard town reading them. However Wam's recent actions felt weird in terms of not voting a scumread. However the flavor didn't and will never convince me. Also, your 'yeet wam' never felt convincing to me. I looked at the votecount and Sabrar is the third vote on the wagon, so if Wam flips scum, then I think you might have something here. However, I still didn't like your posts hedging with reference to me/sabrar/boom. That was what pinged me about you.

[Sabrar]

@EGW: reread the entirety of this page, maybe it will refresh your memory of my playstyle.

[boomfrog]

Good morning! Chinese new year dinner was a huge success.

I'm on the top of page 48. There are 8 more pages. Jfc you guys...

[EGW]

Hello boom. Why did you have us claim?

[Wam]

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=86485#p86485

@bop Yes that's the role. I didn't get told sant was town I got told eizen was town. If I succeed at elimming I become town but lose all my powers.

Good morning! Chinese new year dinner was a huge success.

I'm on the top of page 48. There are 8 more pages. Jfc you guys...

They are 8 good pages though.

And let me reiterate. I am not independent. I am town. Full permision to kill me if what Wam claims is true.

I am town and have reason to believe the claim cant be true

I can't see any reason this can be the case. Details?

[Makhaira]

Quote pinging, Wam what benefit do you get if you successfully elim your brother on the odd days when your alignment shifts to that? Is it a wincon you achieve and the game continues? Do you leave the game when you complete that mission? Or do you unlock some kind of power? I really dont understand you just having this weird elimmer side mission just because. There must be either a penalty for failing to achieve it or a boon for achieving it. Out with it please

Poor wam, rolls a really complicated role on back to back games and it looks like non-town both times lmao, stressful beat

[Santygrass]

Hello boom. Why did you have us claim?

[Makhaira]

Santy are you saying your alignment with a lord of calamity or shepard actively shifts from day to day in this game as actual mechanic, or that based on your read of your character's flavor you believe your character COULD be plausibly aligned either way, but only one is mentioned in your role PM?

[Makhaira]

If I succeed at elimming I become town but lose all my powers.

with adum confirming that he considers alignment changing to be bastard, I dont think this can be real tbh

Its not quite the same as changing FROM town TO anti town, but feels too close for comfort. I dont understand at all why successfully accomplishing your elimmer mission would turn you town and then punish you by stripping your powers, thats weird af

[Santygrass]

Santy are you saying your alignment with a lord of calamity or shepard actively shifts from day to day in this game as actual mechanic, or that based on your read of your character's flavor you believe your character COULD be plausibly aligned either way, but only one is mentioned in your role PM?

No, I am aligned with both.

Flavor explanation is that since my character lives for very long, was aligned with Velvet (Lord Of Calamity, protagonist in Tales of Berseria) , but after the events of that game, fought against a different Lord of Calamity and was aligned with the Shepard of that time. (You can go and look the question I did at Adum and their reply) .

I am aligned with both and no shifting mentioned whatsoever. Wam claim is just fake tbh

[Wam]

My hope is there is a hidden mechanism that I activate that adum I'd being schtum about.