Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[EGW]

Wam, who do you believe is scum right now?

[EGW]

I am wrapping my head around your claim, Wam.

[Santygrass]

If its of any ease of mind, unless I skill Issue , pretty good odds that I self-resolve anyways

[Wam]

Reads list

Town

Sant
See claim

A hippo/phillip - I have not changed on this day 2, not going to elim phillip before they have even posted.

Bubbles/somi
The end of day stuff from bubbles screamed town. Somi is coasting a bit on this.

Bop
I think bop is comin across townie and things such as the flavour analysis shows thendesire to solve etc.

Heury
See previous post

The paranoia zone (all these are good enough or have previously snowed me as scum)

Madge,
Miller claim and limited content day 2 but I'm giving her RL pass for that.

Sabrar
Sabrar is approaching the game sensibly and playing to their usual.meta but sabrar can fake.this.

Boom
I feel boom has been sat back more than I would expect with everything going on. I'm happy to accept some.od that is RL though.

The null zone

JC
Day 1 JC was in their limited content coming across townie to me. Day 2 there is not the same vibe and lots of Pushes are needed.

The worry zone
Mak
Accepting RL happens and this game.isngoing at 100 miles an hour but mak feels like scum who established their town credentials day 1 and are coasting on it.

EGW
The whirling derbish of reads votes.solves, theories.

Scum

I could be persuaded to vote anywhere in the paranoia zone or below.

[EGW]

Unvote; Vote: Mak

[EGW]

Wam, may I ask why you only post a reads list after claiming and not before? Since you mentioned a half written reads list. Can we see that as well?

[EGW]

If its of any ease of mind, unless I skill Issue , pretty good odds that I self-resolve anyways

How do you feel about the claim?

[Wam]

Wam, may I ask why you only post a reads list after claiming and not before? Since you mentioned a half written reads list. Can we see that as well?

That is the half written one with the only change being santy moved up.

Decided I wasn't going to get any further today and deadline is 7am my time so wasn't going to get it done tomorrow!

[Santygrass]

Right well at this point I might as well fullclaim and lay all my cards on the table. So on odd days I am an elimmer for my brother (who I now know is sant) as I have accepted his fate and want to end his suffering. On the even days I'm town as im still working with and trying to save my brother. As per the flavour I have " I orignally try to protect my brother but eventually kill them when they become a dragon". So to align with that I have three powers. My brother/Sant can't be nkd, whilst I'm.in the game. On odd nights I can check a player to see if they are my brother i checked hippo N1 they weren't. On even nights I'm a traffic analyst. PS Plan for tonight was to check madge.

I believed the Miller claim as odd nights I come up different to inestigative roles than u l do on even nights.

my calamity/shepard alignment depends on the day and being flavour blind I just tried to fit in and failed

It's been an interesting role.to.get.my head round!

I'll give you an star for effort, and deeply apologize if you are truthful.

But if you are truthful, you are claiming something that is not against town at all, so like the lying and need to blend in shouldnt be there. Like yeah during one type of phase you want to elim a town but its still workable ? Its pretty busted for town even if it were true because if you decide to openly work with town (optimal) its like an insta clear *that cant be killed until you die*. And If I add my own role into it its too much.

Also there is the fact that acvoding to flavor, Edna wants to kill me when I fully lost it and Im a dragon, and thats something the whole gang of protags do together so doesnt make sense to be a indy condition idk .

So yeah I dont really believe much in it

[Santygrass]

If its of any ease of mind, unless I skill Issue , pretty good odds that I self-resolve anyways

How do you feel about the claim?

Wam its outed scum, and you are kinda throwing rn if you are town. If you are scum keep the refuge in audacity and make yourself harder to be read as town (?)

[Santygrass]

And I think Sabrar is very likely a teammate of Wam. Will elaborate tonight when I get home.

But today yeet is always Wam

[Wam]

And I think Sabrar is very likely a teammate of Wam. Will elaborate tonight when I get home.

But today yeet is always Wam

Why can't you be so unreasonable on an odd day!

[Santygrass]

Also, Bop should correct me if Im wrong, but the shepard/lord of calamity changing depnding on Day doesnt really make sense for Edna regardless, cuz like she isnt never not aligned with a Shepard, or aligned with a Lord of Calamity ?

[Santygrass]

to try and help you to see what I see. And look at how you reply. Like ugh its so annoying hahaha

It's a shame because you understand me the most in this playerlist but you are scum. Simple as that. Occamz razor.

And like. TAKE OCCAMS RAZOR OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

I am so mad like genuinely wtf. You arr openly ignoring a outed scum that you werent even socially townreading, and you dare mentioning Occams razor. Like what you are doing is a magistral exhibit of mental gymnastics here EGW

[EGW]

I will not.

[EGW]

Wam its outed scum, and you are kinda throwing rn if you are town. If you are scum keep the refuge in audacity and make yourself harder to be read as town (?)

It's hard for me to accept a case based on flavor of all things. It seemed like you were pushing LHF because you had no other option. I'm town and my focus is not on other reading me correctly but in trying to be correct, in terms of in-game content. I don't really trust anything flavor wise.

[Santygrass]

If you believe Wam, I am confirmed town. And by my mech I can say that Wam is lying in their claim, and should be voted today.

If you dont believe Wam is being truthful, they should be voted.

It doesnt get simpler than that

[EGW]

Sabrar, what is your thoughts on the claim?

[Santygrass]

Wam its outed scum, and you are kinda throwing rn if you are town. If you are scum keep the refuge in audacity and make yourself harder to be read as town (?)

It's hard for me to accept a case based on flavor of all things. It seemed like you were pushing LHF because you had no other option. I'm town and my focus is not on other reading me correctly but in trying to be correct, in terms of in-game content. I don't really trust anything flavor wise.

Go and reread my fucking posts. I had a pretty good social reason to sus Wam. The flavor stuff is the no doubts outing for Wam, his claim only confirms that. You said I convinced you at some point during these day based on socials alone. Genuinely EGW you are actively trying to hide the sun with your thumb here.

You have recognized that your reads havent been the best and have been changing. This stubborness here has no place lol. Sheep me

[EGW]

No thank you. I'm sticking to my gut. You can flip him without me. If I'm wrong, then elim me tomorrow.

[Sabrar]

Sabrar, what is your thoughts on the claim?

It is technically possible but a nightmare to balance. Doesn't seem to fit the flavor well. Most likely false.

[EGW]

What made you vote Wam, since you town read him before Sabrar.

[Sabrar]

Because it was funny and I never have been good at reading him.

[Bop]

God I had to go think on this.

Wam's Claim in the spoiler:

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Right well at this point I might as well fullclaim and lay all my cards on the table. So on odd days I am an elimmer for my brother (who I now know is sant) as I have accepted his fate and want to end his suffering. On the even days I'm town as im still working with and trying to save my brother. As per the flavour I have " I orignally try to protect my brother but eventually kill them when they become a dragon". So to align with that I have three powers. My brother/Sant can't be nkd, whilst I'm.in the game. On odd nights I can check a player to see if they are my brother i checked hippo N1 they weren't. On even nights I'm a traffic analyst. PS Plan for tonight was to check madge.

I believed the Miller claim as odd nights I come up different to inestigative roles than u l do on even nights.

my calamity/shepard alignment depends on the day and being flavour blind I just tried to fit in and failed

It's been an interesting role.to.get.my head round!
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I, uh. God that's so specific. Just so I understand, Wam-You're claiming flip flopping depending on the day town/independent? Were you explicitly told that Santy is town in that role setup? Do you win and leave the game if you get the Santy elimination on those odd days? Do you win but not leave?

@Santy, you also mentioned being aligned with both, which now matches Wam's claim. Is any similar filp flopping on the day night cycle going on with your character in any way?

If its of any ease of mind, unless I skill Issue , pretty good odds that I self-resolve anyways

What's self resolve in this case?

Also, Bop should correct me if Im wrong, but the shepard/lord of calamity changing depnding on Day doesnt really make sense for Edna regardless, cuz like she isnt never not aligned with a Shepard, or aligned with a Lord of Calamity ?

As far as I've seen from looking and from the mod's clarification when Sab asked, I've not seen her aligned with a Lord, no. That part of the claim doesn't make sense and is the only thing stopping me from being 5 for 5 or 6 for 6 at this point on just blindly believing claims but that was my first instinct. I think my lie detector is broke.

I think this broke me. If I'm wrong and I unearthed the two hyper specific independent roles that interact with each other, this broke me.

[EGW]

Where is your reads list.