Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[Santygrass]

Unvote; Vote: Santy

My brother in christ. You are tripping soooo hard if you are town for the love of everything holy

[Santygrass]

Quoting from the wiki page of Edna

" Around the events of Tales of Zestiria, she encounters the new Shepherd Sorey, and joins him on a journey to discover a way to save Eizen "

Edna *should* be aligned with a Shepard , right? Thats literally the main protagonist of Tales of Zestiria, and Edna is a fellow protagonist .

[Santygrass]

And like EGW Im so mad with you. You didnt even read or adressed a single thing that I said. You said "lol too much effort" WHEN thats literally my thing, I have a lot of WIM and care probably too much about the game, I townread you and wanted to drag you to the correct solve but really man idk how to react to whatever thing you are doing. Stop and think about what you are doing . I did elaborate on Mak as YOU ASKED , to try and help you to see what I see. And look at how you reply. Like ugh its so annoying hahaha

The worst thing is that I cant scumread it because I kinda want to think that as scum you would be more able to like, read the room and know how much of a fool you're being when essentially Bop is outing Wam as scum based on flavor and stuff. But oooof

[Santygrass]

I realized that your vote on me was due to a misunderstanding, and Santy was taking advantage of that to push you.

Like this EGW. What misunderstanding are you even talking about ¿?¿?¿?

Like legit what are you on this take makes no sense

[Sabrar]

I dislike voting people out for flavor reasons I am not familiar with.
I dislike people getting voted out because of flavor reasons they are not familiar with.

@mods:
Is Edna ever mentioned in the Berseria game? Is she alive during the Berseria timeline?
Is she considered to be a protagonist or an antagonist in the Zestiria game?
Is she specifically aligned with a Shepherd or a Lord of Calamity in the Zestiria game?

[Santygrass]

I dislike voting people out for flavor reasons I am not familiar with.
I dislike people getting voted out because of flavor reasons they are not familiar with.

@mods:
Is Edna ever mentioned in the Berseria game? Is she alive during the Berseria timeline?
Is she considered to be a protagonist or an antagonist in the Zestiria game?
Is she specifically aligned with a Shepherd or a Lord of Calamity in the Zestiria game?

You can check the wiki for Edna, just like I did. Like, along with my PM I got the Eizen wiki page so I know the lore, and I have specified why it says that Im aligned with a Shepard since its mostly interpretation of the events .

I dont think that a protagonist isnt aligned with the main protagonist (Shepard) of that game. And like, you can check the flavor claims of everyone else that is from the Zestiria game and see how only Wam stands out as different for not really a good reason

[Santygrass]

https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Edna

This is the wiki page of Edna if you want to read. Who and look what it says about Sorey in particular there (Sorey is the sheperd of that game).

You can also read your own characters wiki page and see if it adds up what it says there with the alignments of shepard/lord of calamity you have in this game. I am assuming that is the case for everyone. Otherwise Adum clarifying to me why he made an interpretation of Eizen having fought a Lord of Calamity in the past, and that fact meaning that he must've been aligned with a Shepard wouldnt make sense if those were assigned independently of flavor, so yeah Im kinda sure unless Im hard tripping on something flavor related that Wam is outed.

[Sabrar]

Thanks for the link. I agree that based on that information Edna should be aligned with a Shepherd, especially if the role-pm says that she is from the Zestiria game.

I asked the mods in order to have the info confirmed and easily available to everyone. I believe that if the flavor is an integral part of the game and required to solve it then it should be accessible to all and not subject to the interpretation of the indivdual players. YMMV.

[AdumbroDeus]

I dislike voting people out for flavor reasons I am not familiar with.
I dislike people getting voted out because of flavor reasons they are not familiar with.

@mods:
Is Edna ever mentioned in the Berseria game? Is she alive during the Berseria timeline?
Is she considered to be a protagonist or an antagonist in the Zestiria game?
Is she specifically aligned with a Shepherd or a Lord of Calamity in the Zestiria game?

Edna is alive but only mentioned in Bersaria. She is a protagonist of Zestiria and is one of Sorey's sub lords (the earth elemental one) who joins his group in fighting the current Lord of Calamity Heldalf in that game.

[Santygrass]

Wam being outed this way, unless they flip indy clears Frog btw. Like there is no way that Scum!Frog elaborates the flavor claim thing and doesnt investigates to make their partner know what to claim.

And it shouldnt be a bus because Frog didnt particularly try to push Wam haha, if anything the fact that Frog hard gunned for Sabrar is telling of it not having the bus agenda imo

[somitomi]

I see JC has claimed, so quick post to claim, catching up later

I'm from Berseria, aligned with a Lord of Calamity, not aligned with a Shepherd.

[Santygrass]

Since somi is the only claim that comes *after* Bop explains the implications of the flavor claim, I would think they are pronably the better target to get confirmation from flavor cops to see if they are lying about it

[Santygrass]

@Mods If its allowed , could we get clarification to the events/period (that I assume happen after Tales Of Berseria) known as the "Unprecedented Cataclysm" ?
The wiki mentions that a Lord Of Calamity is devoured there by Eizen , are we able to know if a Shepard was involved in those events/fight as well?

[moody7277]

The reason I put somi last on the claim order was because he replaced Bubblez who had, in most people's opinions, confirmed himself as town by voting himself to get an elim before the wagon switched over to Fred. My limited understanding was the order was supposed to be scumminess convolved with charisma, which is why I had ahippo about the middle even though I had him as votable.

Please let us know how far you've gotten in reading the game.

[AdumbroDeus]

@Mods If its allowed , could we get clarification to the events/period (that I assume happen after Tales Of Berseria) known as the "Unprecedented Cataclysm" ?
The wiki mentions that a Lord Of Calamity is devoured there by Eizen , are we able to know if a Shepard was involved in those events/fight as well?

I can confirm that an unknown Shepard was involved in those events and died, but Eizen was able to finish the Lord of Calamity off by turning into a dragon and eating him.

This was always my interpretation because the sometime after Bersaria the Shepard became what it is in Zestiria and there's a running implication that Lords of Calamity and Shepards always had the other as an opposing opposite, and I just recently got it confirmed via a summation of a translation of the Bersaria world guidebook that yes, there was a Shepard also fighting against the Lord of Calamity at the time and died in the process but Eizen succeeded.

[phillip1882]

hey guys. newbie joining in place of ahippo.
i'm not really sure what more to post, but will try to comment every day.

[madge]

I dislike voting people out for flavor reasons I am not familiar with.
I dislike people getting voted out because of flavor reasons they are not familiar with.

Yeah, I personally hate this. I feel like there's a huge portion of flavour that's inaccessible to me because I don't know the game. I'm very frustrated, even if it is nice and convenient for me to have people to sheep. I don't want to sheep towards the end of the game, but I'm going to have nothing better to go on and I'm going to have to trust people (or read the wiki but LOL). As it stands I'm struggling to keep track of all the flavour stuff, now there's an entire new game with apparently opposite alignments (WHAT), and this whole flavour cop thing seems IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND unless you actually know the games? assuming it even works?

I tried to read my role PM and the wiki and in the end my eyes glazed over it. Like what the actual fuck is a shepherd because it has nothing to do with sheep obviously. I had a whole conversation with Adumb about this when he didn't give me a straight answer about which game my character is from and directed me to the wiki again and I'm just fucking over it. The wiki isn't a straightforward thing, every damn word has a different definition and i know sometimes the words really do mean what they say but i don't know that and I do not have the time or the bandwith to look up every second word to understand someone else's claim and it's just absolute bull and I HATE IT

and i understand the irony because i write the flavour for a yearly game but i deliberately usually make it so characters game alignment has no bearing on their source matierla alignment so that way people don't feel like they need to read into every fucking paragraph

i'm not going to ask for a replacement because i know it will get better once we get some flips and i understand the shit especially now we have our alignments laid out but I'm so over this and I have so much shit going on and my back hurts from driving yesterday and my partner works in politics and he's stressed the F out with two elections coming up in March and the holiday that was me want to be a break forom all that bullshit just resulted in us having another fight about it and now he might resign his fucking jon with nothing liend up and i can't

but uh i digress

case on wam seems solid tbh and better than anything we have going

vote: wam

[Santygrass]

I kinda sheeped the replies Laser got out of Adum to understand, but mentally without going into much details. Shepard and Lord Of Calamity are opposing factions , but are aligned with the protagonist characters (aka town) depending on the game.

In Tales of Berseria, the protagonist is the Lord of Calamity; and the Shepard is the antagonist.

In Tales of Zestiria, the protagonist is the Shepard, and the antagonist is the Lord Of Calamity.

Thats why you take the games into consideration when looking at the flavour claims, and it outs Wam as scum

[madge]

hopefully that is true because then we can quickhammer wam and not make me freak out about the EoD scramble lol

[Bop]

sorry abt all the RL stuff madge!

I would like to revote EGW after that so much. You are just dismissing any type of content that does not fit into your solve.

I'm not sure how I can get you to see eye to eye with me. My instinct tells me they are scum. I'm going with it. I am only willing to vote those three so do with that what you will. If you want to vote outside that and ignore those players for the rest of the game, then we already lost.

I just, like....you're not going to consider current events if they're not already your solution?? How could this not be a compromise vote or at least something you're willing to discuss with us rather than fully brickwalling? How are we ever supposed to work with you?

And I mean this next question politely as I can. Your instinct has told you how many other people were scum before it's landed on your current three in the last, say, two real life days? 2-4 others? With your reads bouncing like that, why can you not even pretend to consider moving on this? If Wam flips scum we're circling right back to this in the morning. How are we supposed to work with you? What happens in a kingmaker?

@Bop I'm Eizen , my PM says explicitly that Im aligned with a Shepard based on interpretation of having to be aligned with one when fighting with a Lord Of Calamity. And well I think if I didnt skill issued my homework the Lord of Calamity should be Velvet

Of course the two tragic siblings claim. I'll be honest, your character being "the one who turns into a dragon and has to be mercy killed bc he is eating people" doesn't have me feeling great abt the "could you still be an sk" concept. But that's not my main priority so you get the advantage of time to mull it over, just know I'm having to consider it and we'll circle back as well.

@bop

Edna is my character, so based.on my reading and flavour I existed at the time.of besiera but was a main character in zestria.

Also, yeah, sorry, I know this is a shitty situation to be in. But for sure the initial claim of aligned with a lord doesn't line up w the character. I can't imagine being wrong on this.

Vote: Wam

[EGW]

I don't care about mechanics or flavor. I look into intent. We elimed Fred for non-content, and now we elim Wam for... flavor. That is such a weak basis. Y'all might as well flip me because at the very least there would be more info. Sheesh.

[AdumbroDeus]

Vote count 2.8
1. Makhaira(0) -
2. EGW(1) - JC_Daddy25
3. Wam(5) - Santygrass, Makhaira, Sabrar, Bop, Madge
4. Sabrar(1) - Boomfrog
5. ahippo phillip(0) -
6. TehBubblez Somitomi(0) -
7. Boomfrog(1) - heuristically_alone
8. Bop(0) -
9. JC_DADDY25(0) -
10. heuristically_alone(0) -
11. Madge(0) -
12. Laserguy Santygrass(1) - EGW

Not voting: phillip, Somitomi, Wam

With 12 players alive it takes 7 to eliminate

Day 2 ends Thursday January 30th at 2 am.

[Wam]

Right well at this point I might as well fullclaim and lay all my cards on the table. So on odd days I am an elimmer for my brother (who I now know is sant) as I have accepted his fate and want to end his suffering. On the even days I'm town as im still working with and trying to save my brother. As per the flavour I have " I orignally try to protect my brother but eventually kill them when they become a dragon". So to align with that I have three powers. My brother/Sant can't be nkd, whilst I'm.in the game. On odd nights I can check a player to see if they are my brother i checked hippo N1 they weren't. On even nights I'm a traffic analyst. PS Plan for tonight was to check madge.

I believed the Miller claim as odd nights I come up different to inestigative roles than u l do on even nights.

my calamity/shepard alignment depends on the day and being flavour blind I just tried to fit in and failed

It's been an interesting role.to.get.my head round!

[EGW]

to try and help you to see what I see. And look at how you reply. Like ugh its so annoying hahaha

It's a shame because you understand me the most in this playerlist but you are scum. Simple as that. Occamz razor.

[Wam]

to try and help you to see what I see. And look at how you reply. Like ugh its so annoying hahaha

It's a shame because you understand me the most in this playerlist but you are scum. Simple as that. Occamz razor.

Yeah no sants town. Unless there is another eizen in the game.