Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[Sabrar]

wait what? how is that analogous to jester?

Depends really whether game continues after the 3p wins or is just over.

[Makhaira]

Note 2: since the psychic has a bunch of different variations without a real standard I should treat it like a custom role and explain what variation I'm treating as standard for this game. What I'm treating as standard psychic just gives a list of abilities that a person was targeted by.[/color]

Adum didn't actually say it was a self watcher, just what we're taking from Boom's claim, which we have confirmation of from the flavor cop as being true... unless that's also a lie.

The one I quoted here.

Perfect ty, ok lets break it down: "What I'm treating as standard psychic just gives a list of abilities that a person was targeted by"

"a list of abilities A PERSON is targeted by" is phrased in a very passive way. I think if adum meant that the psychic could target slots other than themselves, he would have disambiguated it there. the diction here very clearly suggests to be that "default" psychic in adums mind has a power that returns a list each night of all abilities that targeted the player with the psychic ability

[Santygrass]

@JC_DADDY25 I asked for your reads , would like what is your pov atm!

[Makhaira]

Sab I could see the 3P basically having a special parity rule that triggers pre-kingmaker scenario if the kill condition is met

in my mind this condition would trigger based on satisfaction of "devouring" the 8 types of malevolence and I could see the flavor of being shepard vs. calamity aligned help this hypothetic 3p role with figure out who is which character and therefore what kind of malevolence "class" they are likely to satisfy. I can see this being sophisticated enough to be view by adum as a fair "game ending" 3P wincon and therefore not bastard

for comparison if you can dig it up you can look at Sephiroth's role from FF7 mafia on smashboards, he had a marking ability that would cause a unique parity game end if he had all living players marked (or maybe just the majority of living players marked? been awhile I cant exactly recall)

[heuristically_alone]

If we miselim anyone due to EGW's claim that we elim EGW next day. Ez.

And if we're in lylo?

We elim egw and pray

[Santygrass]

I am Laliah, Town Flavor Cop. Aligned with Shepherd, not aligned with a calamity. I detect whether or not a target is aligned with Lord of Calimity. I targeted Boom last night, and it is confirmed that he is Lord of Calimity. I do believe Boomfrog about there being two flavor cops, since the title of the game changed. I still thought he was scum, because I was told by the mod that this is not an alignment based cop, as town and scum may be aligned with a lord of calamity.

How useful do you feel you're going to be the rest of the game?

How can we trust you for the rest of the game now that everyone has flavor claimed, at this point you can now coast through and just say "so and so is not aligned with a Lord of Calamity"

And if you are scum, and you get to a point where you can lie to get someone Miselimmed because you can say they lied about their claim... well we are screwed.

JC, how does that help you solve EGW in any way?

This feels more like a justification of 'you are not that useful anymore its okay to yeet yoy' rather than you actually committing to a read here. Like the reply to this doesnt help you solve EGW at all?

[JC_DADDY25]

Yeah, again, I must be stupid because I read that as of Bessie was to target A PERSON she would know what roles targeted that person... which is A PERSON.

[Makhaira]

Very vague explanation so as not to completely give away my role: something in what you said regarding me targeting you implies something that seems to contradict the info I have about my ability. I have thought about it extensively and simply cannot justify the discrepancy. I need you to claim first, without knowing what the discrepancy is.

would me telling you the reason I dont think you RBd me is due to publicly available info help resolve the discrepancy?

So you respond to his post of not wanting to give away his role by giving away his role?

who has given away who's role? I have no idea what youre talking about I dont think either of us has said anything that outs the other's role, not that I even could anyway because I have no idea what sab is, I already claimed earlier that I didnt even know sab targeted me until he claimed it. I have no idea what he did to me, but I have reason to believe I can rule out roleblocking

[Makhaira]

Yeah, again, I must be stupid because I read that as of Bessie was to target A PERSON she would know what roles targeted that person... which is A PERSON.

I dont understand this "I must be stupid language" like idk if you think im talking down to you and youre trying to be passive aggressive back? obviously psychic could be targeting thats just not how Im reading it

did boom claim his joat psychic ability was self watch only? I think the one shot psychic power is likely to track the actual psychic's ability in terms of function

did boom even ever claim if hes joat powers were one shot each or not?

[Santygrass]

If we miselim anyone due to EGW's claim that we elim EGW next day. Ez.

fwiw Im pretty sure none of the flipped townslots have any indication they are lord of calamity aligned which makes it a bit of a suss result but also too obvious especially with people saying that flavor is modconfirmed not AI

Flavor is modconfirmed not AI?

Are you sure of that?

As in, I do believe that the statement that being aligned with a shepard or lord of calamity *alone* isnt AI , but contrasti g it with other info could lead to results.

Otherwise EGW role would be useless, and all the talk about being aligned with one lord or shepard, or all the heavy flavor/lore summary Adum was making

[Makhaira]

As in, I do believe that the statement that being aligned with a shepard or lord of calamity *alone* isnt AI

this is what I meant

[JC_DADDY25]

I am Laliah, Town Flavor Cop. Aligned with Shepherd, not aligned with a calamity. I detect whether or not a target is aligned with Lord of Calimity. I targeted Boom last night, and it is confirmed that he is Lord of Calimity. I do believe Boomfrog about there being two flavor cops, since the title of the game changed. I still thought he was scum, because I was told by the mod that this is not an alignment based cop, as town and scum may be aligned with a lord of calamity.

How useful do you feel you're going to be the rest of the game?

How can we trust you for the rest of the game now that everyone has flavor claimed, at this point you can now coast through and just say "so and so is not aligned with a Lord of Calamity"

And if you are scum, and you get to a point where you can lie to get someone Miselimmed because you can say they lied about their claim... well we are screwed.

JC, how does that help you solve EGW in any way?

This feels more like a justification of 'you are not that useful anymore its okay to yeet yoy' rather than you actually committing to a read here. Like the reply to this doesnt help you solve EGW at all?

If he is town, then he's useful, and he is not okay to yeet. But we don't know if both of either flavor cops are town. If Boom and EGW are both scum and Boom did in fact use his JOAT ability to self target with his psychic ability and found out he was targeted by a flavor cop. And his scum mate is also a flavor cop, then he would know he can claim there are two flavor cops.

[JC_DADDY25]

would me telling you the reason I dont think you RBd me is due to publicly available info help resolve the discrepancy?

So you respond to his post of not wanting to give away his role by giving away his role?

who has given away who's role? I have no idea what youre talking about I dont think either of us has said anything that outs the other's role, not that I even could anyway because I have no idea what sab is, I already claimed earlier that I didnt even know sab targeted me until he claimed it. I have no idea what he did to me, but I have reason to believe I can rule out roleblocking

Read that as you saying you know he didn't RB you, and that was his role. Again skull issue I guess.

[JC_DADDY25]

Yeah, again, I must be stupid because I read that as of Bessie was to target A PERSON she would know what roles targeted that person... which is A PERSON.

I dont understand this "I must be stupid language" like idk if you think im talking down to you and youre trying to be passive aggressive back? obviously psychic could be targeting thats just not how Im reading it

did boom claim his joat psychic ability was self watch only? I think the one shot psychic power is likely to track the actual psychic's ability in terms of function

did boom even ever claim if hes joat powers were one shot each or not?

Not at all, just not how I'm reading it... or seeing it at all, door that matter.

[Santygrass]

How useful do you feel you're going to be the rest of the game?

How can we trust you for the rest of the game now that everyone has flavor claimed, at this point you can now coast through and just say "so and so is not aligned with a Lord of Calamity"

And if you are scum, and you get to a point where you can lie to get someone Miselimmed because you can say they lied about their claim... well we are screwed.

JC, how does that help you solve EGW in any way?

This feels more like a justification of 'you are not that useful anymore its okay to yeet yoy' rather than you actually committing to a read here. Like the reply to this doesnt help you solve EGW at all?

If he is town, then he's useful, and he is not okay to yeet. But we don't know if both of either flavor cops are town. If Boom and EGW are both scum and Boom did in fact use his JOAT ability to self target with his psychic ability and found out he was targeted by a flavor cop. And his scum mate is also a flavor cop, then he would know he can claim there are two flavor cops.

And how does all this theorizing relate to the question you did to EGW here?

Like, truly I dont see how any reply he has to this question will help your read on him. So I am asking to see how any reply of him help you solve his alignment.

Like, Im asking to make you help me understand what is your solving angle with this question.

Like, if he is useful you dont yeet him, but if he isnt you yeet him? Like, how does townyness relates to usefulness?

If I claim Vanilla Town you yeet me then?

[Makhaira]

ok yeah it was just weird I couldnt tell if you were being jokingly self deprecating or like trying to make it seem like I was calling you stupid which I wasnt in any way trying to do

[Santygrass]

would me telling you the reason I dont think you RBd me is due to publicly available info help resolve the discrepancy?

I think so, it would help a bit more if you could somehow indicate what info you're talking about.

I mean.... I think is kinda clear what Mak role is IMO . There's not much roles that fit that description . But maybe Im on drugs and slotting wrongly a role to Mak here weh.

[Santygrass]

Lets just

Yeet Wam

It flips mafia guys, trust

[Sabrar]

I mean.... I think is kinda clear what Mak role is IMO . There's not much roles that fit that description .

I must be stupid then because I can't see it.

[Makhaira]

would me telling you the reason I dont think you RBd me is due to publicly available info help resolve the discrepancy?

I think so, it would help a bit more if you could somehow indicate what info you're talking about.

best I can say is something we all know happened would not have happened if I had been roleblocked last night

cant say much more without functionally full claiming, not that Im too far off from already having done so at this point

[Makhaira]

sheeping santy until I truly finish getting caught up there are still a lot of pages ive only skimmed, I will 100% be around for deadline though, I have DnD tomorrow night but should be able to keep the thread open and it will end before deadline and I can commit the end of my night to being focused only on this

Vote: Wam

[Santygrass]

Lets just

Yeet Wam

It flips mafia guys, trust

Im going to sleep now (Alarm is in 4 hours wowee staying til almost 4am not a good idea Im going to die tomorrow at work).

But wanted to state that I feel like, confident on Wam flipping mafia. By individual read + Threadstate feel + Mech solving . So like. Pew pew pew please consider?

[JC_DADDY25]

would me telling you the reason I dont think you RBd me is due to publicly available info help resolve the discrepancy?

I think so, it would help a bit more if you could somehow indicate what info you're talking about.

best I can say is something we all know happened would not have happened if I had been roleblocked last night

cant say much more without functionally full claiming, not that Im too far off from already having done so at this point

I understood before you explained.

[Santygrass]

sheeping santy until I truly finish getting caught up there are still a lot of pages ive only skimmed, I will 100% be around for deadline though, I have DnD tomorrow night but should be able to keep the thread open and it will end before deadline and I can commit the end of my night to being focused only on this

Vote: Wam

Omg yes nice crosspost hahahaha

[Seven]

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