Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[EGW]

I know Im probably not going to convince you to townread hippo, but all I ask is that at least you keep a 'alternative' solve in mind considering v!hippo worlds, because its one of the reads I feel more confident about and would appreciate more overlap in our solves/views to see where does that lead

I already tried that and look where it lead me. Which, I will say in a way, is good that everyone locktowned him, because it allowed him space to abuse it, and not do anything with it. At the very least it seemed odd that he'd claim his target even though Mak suggested him not to do so. If I'm wrong on hippo, it's Boom. Yet you also top town him, and also I like his reactions to my wagon. So I think I'm not wrong here.

[EGW]

My interpretation is that he panicked when I switched to him and he desperately tried to put together any kind of alternative that he could sell. He was not interested in my solve, he immediately OMGUS-d me and gave up on his read on you. A complete 180 just because I voted him.

Your vote seemed pretty baseless to me so I wasn't concerned about it. I genuinely thought you were scum with Heury voting me weirdly instead of waiting to see my thoughts on him. Also a 180 because you voted me is also not correct. However I can see you now getting ahead of yourself just as I did. I think you are town here. Without my claim I would expect you to not change your mind at all. Now you are forced to re-evaluate.

[Wam]

Wam above doesn't really have a good reason to stay on me but never really unvoted nor did he re-read. My read on him isn't as confident as Hippo and Mak.

unvote

Whilst I consider the claim

On the re read, yeah yeah will get there.

[EGW]

However Santy I will be open to discussing the read further with you if you want to bring more points.

[Sabrar]

Now you are forced to re-evaluate.

I will, I'm waiting for others to react.

[EGW]

Boom, how do you feel about Mak claiming out of order?

[EGW]

Btw, I'm going to be prepping for Chinese new year all day so will likely not be able to keep up with the inevitable flood of posts that will come over the next 24 hours.

This made me giggle. Have fun.

[Santygrass]

To be fully transparent here my current solve is something like Wam-JC-Sabrar . I dont feel fully locked in tho, since JC is more of a shrug really, and Sabrar I do think had some towny moments but has equity with Wam imo and the lack of readlist when asked is troubling. they delivered the reasons on Wam, but still is something I dont fully vibe with idk, maybe they do have mech reason to solve Wam as town but I a not sure if I see it. Specially considering that their solve of EGW/JC/me was labeled as a "mech solve" , but doesnt feel like it was much reliant on mech to reach there? Like Im not fully sure since relies on stuff that Sabrar is admittely not revealing about mech and could be the right move. So Im ngl hae them labeled as "trouble for later after seeing Wam's flip"

[Santygrass]

Now you are forced to re-evaluate.

I will, I'm waiting for others to react.

Why is your reasess reliant on others reactions?

[Santygrass]

However Santy I will be open to discussing the read further with you if you want to bring more points.

Yeah when Im on PC maybe I can try doing a case on why I feel confident on it

[Sabrar]

the lack of readlist when asked is troubling.

You don't know me, but most players will be able to tell you that I heavily prefer mech over reads. I intended to give reads, but then I put together a mech solve so I didn't bother with it. I will probably give some snippets about the other players that I originally intended, but that will be outside working hours when I have more time.

Why is your reasess reliant on others reactions?

Primarily because there might be a counterclaim.

[EGW]

Santy on your Sabrar read, I don't see why he does this as scum. He doesn't need to vote me, when I'm trying to convince him of Heury being scum at the time. There was no need for any urgency. This lines up more with him struggling with his own reads but actually attempting to improve them with a gambit. I think Scum Sabrar might just stay on the sidelines and let myself keep talking instead, and then he would say *I have no reads right now* and that's it.

[EGW]

Ive been useless today so im going to flavor claim to help yall out on this issue, Im aligned with a shepard and NOT aligned with a lord of calamity

This pings me when there was an established order to claiming and he ignored it.

[Santygrass]

the lack of readlist when asked is troubling.

You don't know me, but most players will be able to tell you that I heavily prefer mech over reads. I intended to give reads, but then I put together a mech solve so I didn't bother with it. I will probably give some snippets about the other players that I originally intended, but that will be outside working hours when I have more time.

Why is your reasess reliant on others reactions?

Primarily because there might be a counterclaim.

Frog already said that they saw two falvor cops on them. Even if there were to be another flavor cop the cc is unlikely right?
And you yourself said that you knew mafia had fake flavorclaims or I am tripping? So I dont think is likely to happen

And regardless I think a judgement can be made to see if it seems towny or not even if we dont have the certainty of a cc. If a cc happens, we just incorporate the new info and reassess accordingly tbh

[EGW]

I actually feel like wam's vote shows a lack of agenda. He voted Sabrar in the Sabrar vs me showdown but then accepted Sabrar declaring it TvT and followed Sabrar to vote on EGW.

Wam voted me without understanding my position on Heury.

[Santygrass]

Also , noted in that being moreso your playstyle and what EGW said. Though I dont know how much heury was a viable elim / potentially seeing more benefit in epushing you rather than Heury but ehhh feels like a stretch and you probably being more right regarding this

[AdumbroDeus]

Day 2 ends Thursday January 30th at 2 am.

Also just under 22 hours to go.we need to.start consolidating.

Countdown timer says 20 hours but link description says Thursday. Can we get a clarification please?

I'm not sure why this occurred because I'm sure I set it for Thursday instead of Weds, but the correct time is Thursday, at 2 am EST, which means you have about a day and 14 and a half hours.

I will correct the timer when I have a chance because I'm currently running to a union event.

[EGW]

If you're that convinved, can you show me the flaw in my thinking or how an alternative theory explains those events?

Not anymore.

[Santygrass]

Ive been useless today so im going to flavor claim to help yall out on this issue, Im aligned with a shepard and NOT aligned with a lord of calamity

This pings me when there was an established order to claiming and he ignored it.

I mean, if he is scum its because he maybe feel comfy with their fake flavor or all of this claiming leading to moot to solve him.
Or that as town he also didnt care much for the order (I myself dont understand it very much but since I feel v ignorant to everything related to flavor I just go with what Bop says since I trust them in that topic :hmmmyes)

[EGW]

Also I don't think there's anything wrong with changing your mind, just flip flopping implies to me that you weren't actually as confident as you seemed to be

It's more so I'm willing to drop a read if I realize I'm wrong and re-evaluate. However I over-correct at times. I also like to give scumreads I'm not confident in space to prove myself wrong, and yet Hippo and Mak have not proven me wrong. Hippo's major concern this phase was having Sabrar confirm his role is real, and nothing else.

[EGW]

I mean, if he is scum its because he maybe feel comfy with their fake flavor or all of this claiming leading to moot to solve him.
Or that as town he also didnt care much for the order (I myself dont understand it very much but since I feel v ignorant to everything related to flavor I just go with what Bop says since I trust them in that topic :hmmmyes)

Fair. I think it's important he give a reads list above all. Mak is a very competent player, so I think it is important to keep him accountable.

[EGW]

Like ask yourself. What has Mak done today?

[Santygrass]

100% agree on having Mak accountable, this phase they have done very little

[Santygrass]

@moody thoughts on Wam , Sabrar, EGW and Boom?

Would also like to know what your pool of voteables looks like .

[Sabrar]

Frog already said that they saw two falvor cops on them. Even if there were to be another flavor cop the cc is unlikely right?

It depends on whether the cops had the same flavor or not.

For the record I know exactly what kind of flavor cops they are.

I think Boomfrog is implying that there are at least 2 different kind of cops (one for game, one for Shepherd/Calamity, or maybe the latters are also disjoint).
So if someone happens to be the same kind of flavor cop as EGW claimed and they also targeted Boomfrog, that would be interesting. Or if someone has a Watcher result on Boom that does not include EGW. The possibilities are there.

And you yourself said that you knew mafia had fake flavorclaims or I am tripping? So I dont think is likely to happen

Disagree, as mentioned above a fake claim in itself does not guarantee that your claimed night action cannot be disproved by others.

And regardless I think a judgement can be made to see if it seems towny or not even if we dont have the certainty of a cc. If a cc happens, we just incorporate the new info and reassess accordingly tbh

Claims made under duress don't have an inherent town/scum value, especially if they do not provide new information regarding night activity.