Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[boomfrog]

Btw, I'm going to be prepping for Chinese new year all day so will likely not be able to keep up with the inevitable flood of posts that will come over the next 24 hours.

[moody7277]

Btw, I'm going to be prepping for Chinese new year all day so will likely not be able to keep up with the inevitable flood of posts that will come over the next 24 hours.

Happy year of the Snake.

[boomfrog]

@JC: What's your opinion of EGW's flailing? Please just give me some actual takes on something.

[Sabrar]

For consideration re wam:

1. I mentioned in my original readlist a specific townie-ping. It was this post and the follow-up (which was 3 hours later). It indicates that wam was actually thinking about it, because in my opinion scum would first figure out what to publish, and not leave it to 'chance' whether they can explain it later. Naturally, wam could have faked it and deliberately waited 3 hours to post, but I find that less plausible as it is such a small thing that it can easily go unnoticed.

2.
This and this. I think this is confused town. Again, the reason I did not answer at first was because it just seemed obvious to me that I have given up on the idea of scum!Boom. I think scum!wam would have had a different reaction, but of course I could be wrong.

[Santygrass]

What reaction would you think scum!Wam would have there regarding point 2?

I think point 1 is valid, specially the 3h timeframe. I think its trie that was something pending to elaborate/explain on their mind. The scum angle would be that they were looking for a way to justify it, but agree its like a towny moment.

Also, do you think I am burning the kitchen regarding my points on Wam or do you see something valid/plausible in pointing to scum!Wam with what Im saying?

[Santygrass]

I would like my read on Wam to not be ignored btw

Sorry, I got too focused on only one possible reality.

Can we just vote Wam? That EGW vote just reeks of scum energy , Im on mobile so didnt properly catch up replyng to stuff añ.

But like the shallow reasoning on the sabrar vote, to then sheep sabrar to vote EGW with again a shallow reasoning, the slot Wam was townreading D1 and recently spent time rereading and like restating why they TRed there is just.... Not town at all. That vote its just agenda imo

I actually feel like wam's vote shows a lack of agenda. He voted Sabrar in the Sabrar vs me showdown but then accepted Sabrar declaring it TvT and followed Sabrar to vote on EGW.

It could be scummy opportunism but what do you mean by "agenda"?

In the sense that I do think in scum!Wam worlds its very possible that the EGW push is coordinated in some way (thinking more of Sabrar-Wam possibly) , or like just that it just feels like they are interested in EGW being a wagon that they didnt care much about their overall rationale.
I think Wam only goes against EGW even though they were in a position t just comfily put their vote there if the vote on EGW is better for scum. Thats whats points me towards agenda, and the fact that I dont think is a reasonable progression from Wam's pov + shallowness of it being the scum indicative

[Santygrass]

Like, to further expand on other stuff.

They first replied to my initial sus saying that I was basing my points in NK too much and that not being good!

To then vote Sabrar because they thought they were likely to kill bessie

To then vote WITH Sabrar into EGW, the slot they just reread their D1 to restate why they townread them and didnt find anything suspicious. And the reasoning for voting EGW was 'squirming like a worm' .

Like I legit. Im sorry if you are town, but I dont think thats the progression of someone trying to solve the game, and moreso of someone trying to push townies

[Santygrass]

@EGW do you think all the scum is piling on you? If not, who do you think is the mislead villa in your wagon?

[Santygrass]

Your logic on me and sabrar and me as scum mates is so absolutely purely illogical and makes zero sense. I literally don't believe you could ever actually believe that was true. I refuse to believe you're that unintelligent.

I'm liable to get distracted and be wrong. I'm going in circles with reads today, and it's frustrating me. I'm trying to make sure I get it right. However, this post comes off as townie and not the forced tone I'm familiar with from your scum game. I think your vote on Boomfrog was timed weird. So I'm going to re-read the thread and let the thread breathe with a better perspective, as we are still waiting for others to claim and even post content.

Unvote

Lol skill issue I totally misses this post xD , disregard my previous question

[EGW]

@EGW Do you think it's possible santy is snowing us?

What's your read of JC?

No, I do not think Santy is snowing us. My read of JC is town. However, I think y'all are way off in terms of finding scum at the moment. Yet so was I, at some points. You will not like to hear what I say.

[EGW]

@EGW do you think all the scum is piling on you? If not, who do you think is the mislead villa in your wagon?

I think one scum may have voted me, not more than one. I am thinking that is Wam currently thanks to you mostly.

[EGW]

I believe Hippo and Mak are scum, no case needed. Just lack of a desire to help town progress here. Santy does have that desire to help progress the game and already like Santy saying *don't ignore my Wam read.*

[Sabrar]

What reaction would you think scum!Wam would have there regarding point 2?

That probably depends on who his partners are, but I think scum!wam would not have needed an additional confirmation that I'm now going against EGW and not Boom. That's the best explanation I can give.

Also, do you think I am burning the kitchen regarding my points on Wam or do you see something valid/plausible in pointing to scum!Wam with what Im saying?

I can see the points you raise from your pov, I disagree with the ultimate conclusion. wam's reason to vote me can be sufficient in his mind without explaining himself to us, and I think wam gave enough time to EGW to react to my vote so that he could observe his behavior, and that's what caused him to shift.
I understand that for you it might look flimsy, but that does not necessarily mean that it's not 'trying to solve'.

[EGW]

I am Laliah, Town Flavor Cop. Aligned with Shepherd, not aligned with a calamity. I detect whether or not a target is aligned with Lord of Calimity. I targeted Boom last night, and it is confirmed that he is Lord of Calimity. I do believe Boomfrog about there being two flavor cops, since the title of the game changed. I still thought he was scum, because I was told by the mod that this is not an alignment based cop, as town and scum may be aligned with a lord of calamity.

[EGW]

@JC: What's your opinion of EGW's flailing? Please just give me some actual takes on something.

See, here's my concern. You call JC a liability, yet we already voted Fred off for the same thing, and y'all are letting two people go by without keeping them accountable. You know who that is.

[EGW]

Vote: Mak

[Wam]

unvote

Whilst I consider the claim

[Santygrass]

I skipped page 43 in my catchup or was mentally out or something this morning whenI catched up feels like

[EGW]

It goes back to.what I was saying day start about sabrar being likely to.shoot bessie and I have a memory of.some posts around the night results giving a tmi vibe I will.go.back and see if I can find them.

I'm also wondering about this.

I got distracted by the chaos

I was wrong, I thought sabrar had only poked at the moody kill not bessies but I was wrong see post below.

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=85306#p85306

But your 100% comes from huery faking the scumslip? But I don't see how that is AI at all. I can see that sabrar claims scum have false claims heury checks with mod and gets a different error as both alignments.

It doesn't at all. Re-read to see why I believe Heury is scum. It was supporting evidence, but not the crux of my evidence. This shows you aren't reading.

I will re read it tomorrow my brain is not working.

[EGW]

Oh dang, who here has played with you much?

I think that was Seven?

[EGW]

Wam above doesn't really have a good reason to stay on me but never really unvoted nor did he re-read. My read on him isn't as confident as Hippo and Mak.

[Santygrass]

I believe Hippo and Mak are scum, no case needed. Just lack of a desire to help town progress here. Santy does have that desire to help progress the game and already like Santy saying *don't ignore my Wam read.*

I think that reason applies to Mak but not to hippo.
Like they were clearly struggling and by their post one obv reason is their inexperience. So like it should be NAI for them

I know Im probably not going to convince you to townread hippo, but all I ask is that at least you keep a 'alternative' solve in mind considering v!hippo worlds, because its one of the reads I feel more confident about and would appreciate more overlap in our solves/views to see where does that lead

[Santygrass]

I am Laliah, Town Flavor Cop. Aligned with Shepherd, not aligned with a calamity. I detect whether or not a target is aligned with Lord of Calimity. I targeted Boom last night, and it is confirmed that he is Lord of Calimity. I do believe Boomfrog about there being two flavor cops, since the title of the game changed. I still thought he was scum, because I was told by the mod that this is not an alignment based cop, as town and scum may be aligned with a lord of calamity.

Noted.

He *is* Lord of calamity, or is aligned with a Lord of Calamity is the result?

[Santygrass]

Claim makes sense, I kinda called it out after Frog claimed that I expected one of those cops that they mentioned to be between Sabrar/EGW given the votes lol

[EGW]

Noted. He *is* Lord of calamity, or is aligned with a Lord of Calamity is the result?

He is confirmed to be allied with a Lord of Calamity.