Gojoe Memorial Mafia Thread

[somitomi]

Tiles of Zima blue

Way to make my night result redundant, BoomFrog, but at least I know you're not lying about that

[Seven]

Tales of Beseria Besaria Zestiria Zesteria Zestria: No one may read

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Way to make my night result redundant, BoomFrog, but at least I know you're not lying about that

To be fair, he only claimed because he saw you investigated him!

[heuristically_alone]

tales

so I killed a psychic and I can talk to them while they're dead. The irony. There do seem to be quite a few chat roles this game. If for some reason I need to claim today, I'll likely claim one shot vig. There still is a chance of 2 scum teams with night miles every other night. Or could be a doctor that saves a third night kill. It probably is better that town knows sooner than later that there was only one scum kill. But Id rather use second kill first before I get night killed. And if there are 3 kills night 2 then they might assume there is a vig and I won't need to claim. But I'm thinking I'll full claim day 3.

[AdumbroDeus]

Tales

if Santy gets quick elim'd again, imma start modkillin'! *Takes out axe labeled "modkillin' ".

Kiddin obviously, but NGL it's kind of rude the way it happened and I'm glad that he gave the community another chance.

random side note how did we not get santy to join this game I feel like they wouldve been a perfect addition if we have to lose adum and seven to modding

I may have broken his spirit last game

(I confirm. If Im hammered one more time without actually being given a chance to solve Im blasting y'all . What happened last game should be considered a war crime hmph)

Mine too! LaserGuy racked up quite a killstreak of breaking town spirits in that game... As a townie.

Fred I just have an irrational hatred for, which I'll probably have to get over sometime.

Fred is a perfect boy! I will tolerate absolutely no hate against him! I'm definitely not saying this under chancla threat!

*Shadow that looks suspiciously like a hand with a chancla in it withdraws from behind AdumbroDeus*

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Not because he's been inactive but because most of the cast is flavor blind and I wanna see what he thinks about the developments. (Edit: cause I did my prod checks after it hit Friday and he was in prod range since hasn't posted since Weds. Guess he was inactive)

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I'm also really appreciating how Madge is handling the miller claim. That would've raised a lot of eyebrows in a game without a real cop but she pivoted it really well. Even with Boomfrog and Moody thinking they were sort of Millers because of being aligned with a lord of Calamity, she managed to word it in a way that distinguished it from them.

Santy's claim might pose a problem if they follow through with Boomfrog's plan though, because he's yes to both (due to eating a lord of calamity later, presumably allied with the Shepard of the time), I think only FF might pick that out though and there IS a counterargument. His change of name signaling a change in identity.

[heuristically_alone]

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If anyone has a role that has to do with Shepard's and calamity, my bet is on Somi as an investigator.

[Sabrar]

Zestiria

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I always greatly appreciate the effort and time that goes into creating flavor for a game. However I cannot help but feel that if the flavor is meaningful enough to provide actual clues to the solution then it should be more easily accessible. Adum is very helpful in providing clarifications and summaries upon request, but I think this should not be handle via private pm-s. Rather, it should have been made public at the beginning of the game, because it is important that flavor-blind people should have the same understanding of mechanical implications as those who are already familiar with the flavor. Suppose only 1 player is familiar with the setting, they roll scum, what's to stop them to present an incorrect explanation/summary/whatever, leading town astray? We should not have to clarify everything claimed by players with the mods, whether they are truthful about the setting.

[madge]

Zestria

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this is a bit of a sidebar but it's crazy how long i've been playing. i'd just started as a graduate and had lots of time to kill at work and wasn't super engaged with my job and now i'm a kickass person having an impact on things with (for another three weeks) three subordinates of my own and it's all so much work but i do love it... but it means it also cuts into my mafia time

(i also have three boyfriends, no longer including "cynical mafia boyfriend", which also cuts into mafia time lol)


worked out my fakeclaim: doctor/commuter, seems nice and thematic, protect someone else or protect yourself

waiting for moody to tell me who to vote for

don't really have anything else to say. town madge would be freaking out about claiming this mark of supression. only not i guess, i don't need to freak out about claiming anything, moody knows it and can share it

[Bop]

Zestiria:

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Goddddd. This is so fun and this is a nightmare.

Whether or not boomfrog is town, they're trying to get berseria scum caught up in a lie, and I'd also want to see people caught up in a lie!!

Sab dropping greatly for me.WHAT are you so scared of?

Having a teammate is such a double edged sword. Bc we legitimately have to hunt for who is bad, we don't really get to make plans. We just get to disagree privately as well as publicly

Probably good I didn't get targeted and don't have any abilities to use so I'm forced to use my passive ability instead of anything fun and flashy. But I wish somebody fun and flash would target me.

God I wish moody had targeted me! Countering that power would've been crazy .

[Sabrar]

Zestiria:

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@BF (avoiding pings): I apologize for my tunnel whether you're scum or not. Unfortunately what you said about having too few scum-candidates is exactly true from my pov as well, in my mind you simply have to be scum by PoE.

[AdumbroDeus]

tales, sabrar may read

Zestiria

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I always greatly appreciate the effort and time that goes into creating flavor for a game. However I cannot help but feel that if the flavor is meaningful enough to provide actual clues to the solution then it should be more easily accessible. Adum is very helpful in providing clarifications and summaries upon request, but I think this should not be handle via private pm-s. Rather, it should have been made public at the beginning of the game, because it is important that flavor-blind people should have the same understanding of mechanical implications as those who are already familiar with the flavor. Suppose only 1 player is familiar with the setting, they roll scum, what's to stop them to present an incorrect explanation/summary/whatever, leading town astray? We should not have to clarify everything claimed by players with the mods, whether they are truthful about the setting.

I understand your frustration, honestly I thought there would be more people familiar with the flavor or at least would be able to understand from wiki articles, but I realized they were too jargony for that to be realistic.

I'm still working on writing the game summaries but the complicated thing is preemptively giving concept and character flavor summaries because there are so many minor characters it's unrealistic to do them all and just sticking to certain characters may imply they're in the game or not.

So my apologies on that front, I'm doing my best to compensate.

However, I don't have a "PM mods first rule" and while obviously you may not want to ask questions specific to your character, you are absolutely entitled to ask flavor questions in the main thread for everyone to see with the same restrictions on answering as PM'd.

[boomfrog]

Tales of Zestiria

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Have I done it? Am I right? Did I actually catch scum Sabrar? Or are we locking horns in a TvT death spiral? I really don't think it's the latter, if it is we've both failed miserably. And therefore it's his fault for failing first. I tried to give him as much benefit of the doubt as possible. He's just open wolfing now I think. Hoping to cross the finish line before the tide turns against him.

If he is scum I have mad respect for him requesting a deadline extension. I'm trying to not take that as alignment indicative because OOG considerations like that should be done no matter ones role. But the deadline extension absolutely helps town. Deadline extensions should probably be done by PM... but regardless, if he's scum that was a very considerate and kind move to make the game itself better rather than just trying to win.

It's nice to finally be caught up on my mafia homework so I have time to write a spoiler.

@Bessie:
Sad that you were knocked out so early. We barely got to play. Next game I'm going to focus more on having fun that on winning. But, from a winning perspective I'm glad you are out. You are so hard to read, your standard posting style is effectively active lurking since it's so polished that it lacks alignment indicative content. Everyone else is trying to bluff, but you are just going with the doggie poker face.

[Freddino18]

Not game related, madge may read

THREE boyfriends? Save some ass for the rest of us

[heuristically_alone]

tales

Busier week than expected so haven't taken the time to do full rereads of everyone like I wanted. Hoping to get to that tomorrow. JC seems to think that I'm the devour kill and an SK, which makes me wonder if he has some kind of investigation role, but if he did then it would not be for alignment but for flavor ability if he's seeing devour instead of vig. He could be scum with a flavor cop type ability. In which case I need to use my second shot tonight and if survive the night, I'll claim start of D3. Now that Boomfrog has claimed, rather than voting him out he could be my D2 kill, but the claim is making me pause. Though I do remember him fake claiming some investigator role as scum and I had to be the one to decide if he was lying or the last scum. I'm pretty sure that was him. Must have been over 5 years ago.

[boomfrog]

Zest

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That creeping doubt in EGW. That's town considering.

Boomfrog, why didn't you question me Day one?

[Bop]

Desolation with Zest:

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Boom and I literally can't explain how this works without pointing to the big scum bear trap in front of scum and going "don't step in it! "
Even if boom is scum it could still catch some of their buddies if they aren't briefed or are investigated later. I actually, literally want this as a scum hunting tool.

There's a flavor reward built into this game but once it is seen, it is gone.

I'm less sure sab is scum but I think I'm more being convinced to reconsider.

[Sabrar]

Zestiria

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So, heury must be town because the mod revealed that they replied with "no comment" to their inquiry, from which heury drew his conclusion of me lying. Non-town heury would have a fake claim, so his question would be something like 'would you reveal to town that scum has fake-claim?' to which a 'no comment' reply would not let him draw that conclusion. So his question must have been 'does scum have fake claims?', which means he is town.
This is an unfortunate situation, but I guess not many players think about the implications so hopefully it will have less of an impact.

PS: when I reread heury I came to the conclusion that he was probably town before realizing the above, so luckily it didn't have too much of an impact on me either.

[AdumbroDeus]

Zestiria

That's actually a poor assumption of the wording of the question, eg "how would you respond to town asking if scum had fakeclaims?" Would result in a "no comment".

Even in your question they could derive a no comment means that I wouldn't answer the question to town purely because of fairness, especially given a mod error means I answered the question poorly.

(It's also worth noting that they could be scum that doesn't need a fakeclaim. Actually velvet would be a perfect serial killer that could pose as a big if I went that route)

So, that's an assumption that leads to a correct conclusion seemingly counterbalanced by assumptions that lead to a poor one, namely purely binary way of looking at game and association with a lord of Calamity/Shepard, but I assume they'll be disabused of it shortly.

[Sabrar]

Zestiria

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My solve for now:
wam - flavor cop
Bop - flavor cop
madge - tracker
Boomfrog - JOAT
Makhaira - some kind of passive ability, or vanilla
ahippo - motivator

This leaves EGW, somitomi, heury, JC, Santy.

somi is town due to AtE by Bubblez, heury is town due to mechanical reasoning, therefore scum is EGW, JC, Santy.
Will see how accurate that was.

[AdumbroDeus]

tales

This either is the coldest bus I've ever seen from Madge, they didn't really look at their fakeclaim summeries to figure out if one fit their alignments. I'm thinking the former cause madge is audacious.

On the plus side for madge, the miller claim and her free game/alignment claim implies if she was scum she picked up the dichotomy before basically anyone else, why would she not tell her teammate?

Edit: Wam did in fact make a big mistake.

[Bop]

Zestful Desolation:

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Wam fell for it oh my god. I thought if anyone would see the trap being set it'd be zestiria scum specifically.

I came back to mafia after 13 years and I'm back to getting soooo confidant on my theories and not listening to others, oops. Think I'm gonna give my teammate an heart attack lol.

Have to hold off on, uh, revealing that Wam fell for it in case that means Wam's entire team could fall for it.

But.

Hell yes.

Somebody pour gatorade on Conrad, we got em!

[Wam]

Zesty tales

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I hope I haven't made a mistake with my claim.

Oh well at least I can hopefully get through this day.

[heuristically_alone]

tales

If this wagon on me gets legit, I'm going to claim I have night chat with Bessie and want to be able to share during D3 any results she got got along with what I formation she has about how she died.

[boomfrog]

Zest

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Sorry this has taken so long, full 2 game summery (with some notes from the anime) is available here

**Does an epic amount of work to produce an amazing game.**

[heuristically_alone]

tales

what if there are 2 of every role?

[Bop]

Desolation, Zest:

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Need the final two reveals to see if we can catch more in the trap here(or worst case push it regardless.) Thank GOD I made sure to double check regarding flavor or we would not be in the situation we're in.