Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[boomfrog]

Gut feelings right now...

Mak
Bessie
EGW
Wam
Moody
Madge
Bop
ahippo
Laserguy
TehBubblez
Boomfrog
Freddino
Sabrar



heuristically_alone - indy? Not sure why, but if we have an indy in this game I feel it's Heury.

Why did you have ahippo so low? Do you not belive the naturalness of the claim?

[boomfrog]

Vote JC

You are lurking hard my dude.

I don't get the feeling that he is lurking, and I actually find him genuine, compared to Ahippo. This feels forced.

Oh yeah I agree ahippo is the worst lurker here. But he's town so he gets a pass for now. But...

@ahippo get your head out of your butt about confirming your power. Just post reads especially point out anything you find sus. That's how you can best help town now.

[boomfrog]

Gut feelings right now...

Mak
Bessie
EGW
Wam
Moody
Madge
Bop
ahippo
Laserguy
TehBubblez
Boomfrog
Freddino
Sabrar



heuristically_alone - indy? Not sure why, but if we have an indy in this game I feel it's Heury.

This list *feels* from my catch up to be rather an unique/independent view or solve of the thread, specially Sabrar at the bottom . I would say is more likely town

Sanity, why are you not bothered by JC having ahippo so low?

[boomfrog]

I don't remember. I actually thought he did with Somi in the game he was scum with him but I couldn't find it. What I found was Boom doing alot more (as town) there than here. I do think Mak has made a similar post before and that was what Initially pinged me.

Besides not being present at eod I've done a lot to get people to generate content. Especially before you joined the thread. I sat back because I knew you'd start dominating the conversation and I needed rest.

[Santygrass]

Sanity, why are you not bothered by JC having ahippo so low?

Because not having the same picture or read as I currently have doesnt mean they are scum, unless if it doesnt track with their progression or the read is bad faith. I dont think JC cleared them for the claim, if anything I think they focused on the "handshake" incident and were seeing how it played out .

[JC_DADDY25]

do we think there's an indy who has something to do with the calamity/shepherd thing? like, visit all sheperds / kill all calamities / other?

just boomfrog asking everyone to claim theres (if they're not flavour indicative) struck me as odd

I still feel Heury may be our indy, if not he's scum. He's doing really well at trying to appear town, I'll give him that.

As far as Boom goes, I think his post claiming he may show up as scum to a flavor cop was strange, but he wasn't the first one to bring up a mass claim of who everyone was aligned with... it was LaserGuy. So I don't think that is AI.

@Santy I'm not ignoring you, just already made a comment on it. Since you were catching up, figured you'd read it when you got there.

Guess I was wrong.

Basically his posts came across to me as forced town, like he's been trying very hard to make sure people think he's town. A point he pretty much confirmed a few posts later. Could it be he's just scum... yeah, it could, but the vibe I was getting was more indy. Either way, I doubt he's town.

[JC_DADDY25]

Gut feelings right now...

Mak
Bessie
EGW
Wam
Moody
Madge
Bop
ahippo
Laserguy
TehBubblez
Boomfrog
Freddino
Sabrar



heuristically_alone - indy? Not sure why, but if we have an indy in this game I feel it's Heury.

Why did you have ahippo so low? Do you not belive the naturalness of the claim?

I don't think anything ahippo has posted has felt natural. It feels more like a knee jerk reaction anytime there's pressure directed toward him.

Even his recent post about telling us who he targeted during the night phase before day ends. I feel like he's dangling a carrot in front of us for no reason.

[JC_DADDY25]

I think not taking dead town legacies into account is what loses most of the games for town. Its not something you just blindly sheep of course, but it always does have weight imo.

Also I dont think Fred sus on you/JC was a motivation for you to vote them . As a fact they talked about it in twilight when they were already going to be yeeted. So its moreso "I trust the other flipped town might be onto something" . Specially considering its not only one, but two (bessie and fred)

Did I vote or push Fred?

I dont think you understood the point I was making in that post. Its the other way around that Im signaling/boosting (the fact that two dead flipped towns were sussing you+Wam)

Feels more like I'm being set up, but let's be honest... I'm usually a good candidate for a misyeet late in game anyway, so the foundation for that does need to start somewhere.

[boomfrog]

Gut feelings right now...

Mak
Bessie
EGW
Wam
Moody
Madge
Bop
ahippo
Laserguy
TehBubblez
Boomfrog
Freddino
Sabrar



heuristically_alone - indy? Not sure why, but if we have an indy in this game I feel it's Heury.

Why did you have ahippo so low? Do you not belive the naturalness of the claim?

I don't think anything ahippo has posted has felt natural. It feels more like a knee jerk reaction anytime there's pressure directed toward him.

Even his recent post about telling us who he targeted during the night phase before day ends. I feel like he's dangling a carrot in front of us for no reason.

Doesn't he feel like floundering incompetent town though? Or do you think his scum buddies are just letting him flail around with no coaching?

[boomfrog]

I don't put much stock in anything except perhaps my financial stocks.

Updated with ahippo reads
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Does heury usually do these types of charts btw?

I have never seen Heury try so hard in a game before as any alignment. It's nice to see. I'm undecided about if it's alignment indicative, but he's super self aware that he is doing it so I'm leaning town tell. Or honestly, indy with a fun role.

[boomfrog]

Why did you decide to claim this?

I was almost certainly the cop target last night seeing how the day ended. So just in case the cop is some sort of flavor cop it seemed prudent to full claim my flavor since it seemed a little wonky.

Unless you have mech pointing to you that way , this is just... super self aware in a bad way? Not a fan of this entrance D2

Bah, you guys are no fun. I can see I'm not going to get this off the ground without spilling the beans early. I'm a JOIT and my power N1 was psychic, and I was informed that I was targeted by 2 different flavor cops. Presumably the flavor cops are town roles, I considered that one might be a scum role if a scum team or indy needs to target specific types, but the fact they targeted me feels very townie. Therefore, since flavor cops are town that means scum can be detected in some way by knowing flavor. Therefore, we should have everyone claim their flavor so either:

A) Scum lie and cops can catch them
or
B) Scum tell the truth and there is something significant for town to know to help us solve. Otherwise why bother giving town flavor cop roles?

Therefore, everyone should claim:
Aligned with or not with a Lord of Calamity
From Bersaria or not.
Aligned with or not with a Shepherd

And @moody should pick the claim order

[Bop]

@sant

Your right I'm less involved this game. It's wine but TBH I'm less involved in games as town than scum. ,one of thoez who have played with me a lot cab confirm. Also I do have a lot going on IRL. Should be good from Monday though.

But TBH if my elim is needed to clear the confusion and find scum that's life.

I do think your being too obvious about bessie found wam and jc scummy one of them must have shot her. I always think NK analysis is v hard to get right and leads down the wrong paths

I think not taking dead town legacies into account is what loses most of the games for town. Its not something you just blindly sheep of course, but it always does have weight imo.

Also I dont think Fred sus on you/JC was a motivation for you to vote them . As a fact they talked about it in twilight when they were already going to be yeeted. So its moreso "I trust the other flipped town might be onto something" . Specially considering its not only one, but two (bessie and fred)

I just reread the twilight bc I didn't recall the bolded bit and

@wam Day two, please give us a more detailed read than "this is normal" for JC

Is this, to you, an example of "Fred sus on JC/Wam?" Maybe it could have led to one, but "Fred sus on Wam/JC" seems like an extreme stretching of the truth here. I understand you've reread the game in a single day which I appreciate incredibly but I can't agree that that's what we're seeing here.

[Makhaira]

Doin' a bit of catch-up here. Did anyone claim to get my motivate? It's very possible it was blocked, and afaik, the target has not spoken up yet. There might be a good reason they're not saying, but I was hoping that person could confirm they were motivated. Would help my case re not being scum.

if you power works anything like the one I had last game, the "doubling" wont trigger until tonight, so this person should not claim receipt of your power yet otherwise scum will be able to perfectly shut your power down. You should not claim target today nor should your target claim confirmation of receipt until D3

random side note how did we not get santy to join this game I feel like they wouldve been a perfect addition if we have to lose adum and seven to modding

Mak manifested me frfrfr

Lol and next page Mak is also saying hippo is locktown because of the claim. Glad to be vibing with the stumped town :hmmyes:

im not treestumped lol thats moody but down to become unstoppable towncore (plz no pocket just one time god plz)

[Makhaira]

Sorry guys for being absent this phase, irl shit happened had a loss in the family had to fly out today for a funeral tomorrow. I dont fly back until 430 eastern sunday so ill be around for deadline. Trying to catch up, at page 28 rn but wont be able to finish tonight because I have to get up early for the early service. Def will be 100% caught up by tomorrow night though so im up to speed for end of phase crunch time

Btw im still doing my lore deep dive, pretty sure we are dealing with an independent Innominat and that this role is the "devouring" role: https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Innominat

In the game lore this entity causes essentially a world purge to happen after devouring 8 types of malevolence that roughly correspond to the 7 deadly sins. I could see this indy role triggering a wincon after NKing enough slots to cover all 8 malevolence types. Be mindful that a single person could carry and count for multiple types of malevolence as this literally happens in the game, he consumes a main character who contains two types of malevolence. It COULD be multiball with Innominat being paired with Laphicet https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Laphicet

I could see this operating in like a "laphicet inherits the powers of innominat" capacity. This is all still speculation though and Im sorry if someone has already explained this im the couple pages I haven't read yet

I also still need to iso bessie and moodys D1 so getting to that asap after im caught up

[Makhaira]

Laphicet inherits the powers of innominat if and when innominat is elimmed*

Note that innominat himself does not spread malevolence and is intended to "purge" it from the world which I think clearly indicates that this is not the "malevolence" kill that hit moody because he was purified by the silver flame

[heuristically_alone]

Oh. Is there something that prompted or made you want to try doing the charts approach? Did you reach any conclussion from them that you are tracking so far?

I stated the reasoning during D1. Our site doesn't typically require a majority vote for an elim, and I felt it was necessary to ensure everyone could see the options that could most agreeable for the majority. It was a fun to track and make so might keep doing it.

[boomfrog]

Sorry guys for being absent this phase, irl shit happened had a loss in the family had to fly out today for a funeral tomorrow. I dont fly back until 430 eastern sunday so ill be around for deadline. Trying to catch up, at page 28 rn but wont be able to finish tonight because I have to get up early for the early service. Def will be 100% caught up by tomorrow night though so im up to speed for end of phase crunch tim

Pinging just to make sure you know there's a deadline extension so don't stress too much.

[boomfrog]

@Makhaira thank you especially for tunnel visioning and just refusing to look elsewhere. And now that your "egopicks" or whatever you call them are 0 for 4, maybe you should really re-evaluate your gameplay strategy.

@Santy: The bolded is an explicit town claim from theBubblez who has 0 reason or motivation to lie here or play the role. Scum bubblez would make no alignment claims. This is 100% town. Somitomi is cleared as far as I am concerned.

[Bop]

@Mak my condolences!! Totally understandable, we're likely pushing deadline a bit anyway so please don't feel like you have to cram this in.

I was almost certainly the cop target last night seeing how the day ended. So just in case the cop is some sort of flavor cop it seemed prudent to full claim my flavor since it seemed a little wonky.

Unless you have mech pointing to you that way , this is just... super self aware in a bad way? Not a fan of this entrance D2

Bah, you guys are no fun. I can see I'm not going to get this off the ground without spilling the beans early. I'm a JOIT and my power N1 was psychic, and I was informed that I was targeted by 2 different flavor cops. Presumably the flavor cops are town roles, I considered that one might be a scum role if a scum team or indy needs to target specific types, but the fact they targeted me feels very townie. Therefore, since flavor cops are town that means scum can be detected in some way by knowing flavor. Therefore, we should have everyone claim their flavor so either:

A) Scum lie and cops can catch them
or
B) Scum tell the truth and there is something significant for town to know to help us solve. Otherwise why bother giving town flavor cop roles?

Therefore, everyone should claim:
Aligned with or not with a Lord of Calamity
From Bersaria or not.
Aligned with or not with a Shepherd

And @moody should pick the claim order

I can tell I need to get some sleep bc for one second I honestly read "copped by two different flavor cops" and thought "Oh! What if it's not two cops-what if its the same cop who ahippo motivated targeting you twice?!"



But I do stand as for this! I think long term it'd help a lot more than it could hurt.

Btw im still doing my lore deep dive, pretty sure we are dealing with an independent Innominat and that this role is the "devouring" role: https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Innominat

In the game lore this entity causes essentially a world purge to happen after devouring 8 types of malevolence that roughly correspond to the 7 deadly sins. I could see this indy role triggering a wincon after NKing enough slots to cover all 8 malevolence types. Be mindful that a single person could carry and count for multiple types of malevolence as this literally happens in the game, he consumes a main character who contains two types of malevolence. It COULD be multiball with Innominat being paired with Laphicet https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Laphicet

Okay looking at this bit in the first paragraph:

"..."free" the world of malevolence, of which he is the only being who can resist and devour as a food source."
Pretty clearly a devour there. Three other examples of devouring on the page too, so that's at least as likely as Velvet/the Therions. And if we think the tree stump action is a separate thing that blocked a kill,

I know this is speaking in hypotheticals do you think this would work where they'd have to target specific players flavor wise if the corresponding to certain sins would matter?

Laphicet inherits the powers of innominat if and when innominat is elimmed*

Note that innominat himself does not spread malevolence and is intended to "purge" it from the world which I think clearly indicates that this is not the "malevolence" kill that hit moody because he was purified by the silver flame

True, but The Abbey spreads malevolence to make Therions is how I understand it, so that could be a possibility as well.

[heuristically_alone]

I don't put much stock in anything except perhaps my financial stocks.

Updated with ahippo reads
image_2025-01-19_191747541.png

Does heury usually do these types of charts btw?

I have never seen Heury try so hard in a game before as any alignment. It's nice to see. I'm undecided about if it's alignment indicative, but he's super self aware that he is doing it so I'm leaning town tell. Or honestly, indy with a fun role.

Just at a really healthy state of my health right now. And able to manage my busy life better. So I do believe I'd be trying harder than normal in any alignment.

[JC_DADDY25]

Btw im still doing my lore deep dive, pretty sure we are dealing with an independent Innominat and that this role is the "devouring" role: https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Innominat

In the game lore this entity causes essentially a world purge to happen after devouring 8 types of malevolence that roughly correspond to the 7 deadly sins. I could see this indy role triggering a wincon after NKing enough slots to cover all 8 malevolence types. Be mindful that a single person could carry and count for multiple types of malevolence as this literally happens in the game, he consumes a main character who contains two types of malevolence. It COULD be multiball with Innominat being paired with Laphicet https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Laphicet

This sounds like a fun role.

[Bop]

If that is not the case Im lost in what specifically made "the pieces not fit" .

You misunderstand, yes. Basically I think Wam is not scum at the moment, because I feel the solve has a higher chance of being scum. (Boom, Santy, Mak) Also with my solve, I expect them to kill Bessie to throw us off, because Boom, Laser, and Mak are all competent players.

What are you referring to as "the solve" just so I understand here?

Doin' a bit of catch-up here. Did anyone claim to get my motivate? It's very possible it was blocked, and afaik, the target has not spoken up yet. There might be a good reason they're not saying, but I was hoping that person could confirm they were motivated. Would help my case re not being scum.

if you power works anything like the one I had last game, the "doubling" wont trigger until tonight, so this person should not claim receipt of your power yet otherwise scum will be able to perfectly shut your power down. You should not claim target today nor should your target claim confirmation of receipt until D3

Oooh that's really good to know! That would probably change my opinions regarding "should ahippo give us the information today", but we still risk what we risked last night-the nightkill on him and losing that info for good. Esp since he random picked, so while odds literally mean he probably picked town, odds are imaginary once he picked. Now it's just who it is.

[boomfrog]

Does heury usually do these types of charts btw?

I have never seen Heury try so hard in a game before as any alignment. It's nice to see. I'm undecided about if it's alignment indicative, but he's super self aware that he is doing it so I'm leaning town tell. Or honestly, indy with a fun role.

Just at a really healthy state of my health right now. And able to manage my busy life better. So I do believe I'd be trying harder than normal in any alignment.

That's really great to hear man! It can be tough.

[Sabrar]

I'm a JOIT and my power N1 was psychic, and I was informed that I was targeted by 2 different flavor cops. Presumably the flavor cops are town roles, I considered that one might be a scum role if a scum team or indy needs to target specific types, but the fact they targeted me feels very townie. Therefore, since flavor cops are town that means scum can be detected in some way by knowing flavor. Therefore, we should have everyone claim their flavor so either:

A) Scum lie and cops can catch them
or
B) Scum tell the truth and there is something significant for town to know to help us solve. Otherwise why bother giving town flavor cop roles?

Therefore, everyone should claim:
Aligned with or not with a Lord of Calamity
From Bersaria or not.
Aligned with or not with a Shepherd

So you're a JOAT (assuming that was just a typo), and your N1 action is restricted to be specifically a psychic on yourself. Am I understanding this correctly?
Since we know that town can be aligned with either Shepherd or Lord of Calamity, and we know that they can come from either Zestiria or Berseria and we know that scum have fake-claims, why do you think the above claims would help us solve? At this point it's full-claim or nothing.

@Makhaira: sorry to hear that man, my condolences.

[EGW]

What are you referring to as "the solve" just so I understand here?

Boom, Santy, Mak being scum.