Halloween Mafia 2021 - The Party Trap - Day 7

[bessie]

@patzer you have spent most of D2 tunneled on heury/Seven. Why didn't you react or say anything about Seven's odd opening post ?

[The Snide Sniper]

I know I promised a Seven read, but it's five hours to dusk and I never really found the time to make one, so it will have to wait until D3. With patzer claiming cop and, hopefully, actual evidence coming out, I should be able to get more into my element on D3.

Won't be voting today because I can't really come to an informed decision.

[madge]

If is the Afternoon.

Votals:
Patzer (2) - bessie, Seven
Seven (1) - patzer
Snide (1) - Moody
Moody (2) - BoomFrog, jimbob

Per the tie rules, Moody will be eliminated if there are no changes to the votals before deadline.

With 10 alive, it's 6 votes to eliminate.

Dusk starts in about 5 hours.

[patzer]

@patzer you have spent most of D2 tunneled on heury/Seven. Why didn't you react or say anything about Seven's odd opening post ?

That sounds like just some injoke intro post?

[LaserGuy]

I'm currently re reading and catching up but last night based on my skim reading I was wondering if patzer was being deliberately clueless regarding the cult to try and not give away info they know. I.e. they are the cult leader and are struggling to work out what town do and don't know about the cult to fit it.

These are similar to my thoughts.

Hmm... it's possible. I don't care much for yeeting a cop, but if we yeet her and she is cult, presumably we will know cult has been eliminated in the morning. If not, she may get a chance to come back at some point.

Incidentally, my safeclaim in Wolf on Wall Street was cop (or maybe either cop/doc).

I was gonna do a list here, but patzer's claim just ninja'd me and I have even less of an idea what's going on. It's high time I did the reread I've been putting off...

And this stopped you from doing a list? Really?
Pre-post edit: Wow it stopped somitomi from not only doing a list, but from posting completely!

I've seen him in the thread today. He's definitely been around.

I'm inclined to give mafia first refusal to shoot patzer in this case.

Hmmm, if patzer is cult and she is telling the truth about copping LaserGuy, she knows she can safely recruit LaserGuy tonight.
@LaserGuy, if mafia doesn’t eliminate patzer tonight, will you vote for her tomorrow?

Yes.

@bessie I think it's feasible and think the clam increases what Wam was thinking about her being cult. I think it's probably optimal to have her self resolve during the night though. We risk Laser being recruited, but we also get more cop results from her. Hm if cult and mafia do alternate night actions though they wont be able to kill her tonight, so I see where you're going.

Fork it

Vote: Patzer

At the very least Pat will be in limbo for tonight if we yeet her with the possibility of being revived. Then if we so choose, we can revive her for a night when mafia can kill her. If she is cult we keep Laser safe for the night/plus take out her "1x BP" that we all likely have with the revive mechanic. I think this is right.

I feel so touched about how you guys are worried for my safety.

[LaserGuy]

I will vote for patzer at EoD if needed. I'm not super keen on moody yeet.

[bessie]

I know I promised a Seven read, but it's five hours to dusk and I never really found the time to make one, so it will have to wait until D3. With patzer claiming cop and, hopefully, actual evidence coming out, I should be able to get more into my element on D3.

Won't be voting today because I can't really come to an informed decision.

It really would be more helpful to town if you voted for your scummiest read, so we know what you are thinking, since you haven’t posted much content. Is your scummiest read still Seven?

That sounds like just some injoke intro post?

Didn’t you think it was odd that he voted for someone that wasn’t even playing?

I feel so touched about how you guys are worried for my safety.

TBH it’s more about eliminating cult.

@bessie: who would you vote between somi and TSS?

This is a tough one. I think somitomi is non-town. I think the Snide Sniper is not following the game closely and is one of the non-town roles. I would vote for either but I think I would prefer somi.

[boomfrog]

Won't be voting today because I can't really come to an informed decision.

Well, if TSS is Mafia, none of the current people on the block are his partner.

@TSS: Not voting increases scums proportional influence because they always know what they want to vote for and sunny hesitate to vote if needed. Even a random vote from town is better then not voting. Just trust your gut and vote for somi, Moody, patzer or seven. I personally think seven and patzer are poor choices. But i'd still prefer that over not voting.

[boomfrog]

@BoomFrog why aren't you pushing moody on me if you think he's scum?

I made my case, but it's not a slam dunk, somi or TSS are plausible scum as well.

I really think you shouldn't go for patzer right now. The expected value of the upside of letting her survive if she is a cop is far greater then the downside of letting the cult recruit of she is the exact scum you think she is. But that judgment depends on how confident you are of each possibility.

@seven: Why would you think everyone has one rez when you personally had a special power for a rez? Wouldn't it be likely that most people will stay eliminated?

[Seven]

I feel so touched about how you guys are worried for my safety.

TBH it’s more about eliminating cult.

I just don't want to have to deal with scum Laser lol

[boomfrog]

@seven, @laserguy: I know patzer isn't a noob. But this is ninja3DS all over again.

[Seven]

@Boom why on earth are you still voting moody? That's such a weak elim.

[Seven]

@seven: Why would you think everyone has one rez when you personally had a special power for a rez? Wouldn't it be likely that most people will stay eliminated?

If that were the case, Suzaku would be flipped.

[boomfrog]

@Boom why on earth are you still voting moody? That's such a weak elim.

Cause everything else is bullshit. moody hasn't given any townie pings. somi had townie vibes D1. TSS had a single weak ping. It feels like we are just drifting into easy elims and that makes me want to trust my gut instead of town consensus.

[boomfrog]

@seven: Why would you think everyone has one rez when you personally had a special power for a rez? Wouldn't it be likely that most people will stay eliminated?

If that were the case, Suzaku would be flipped.

If one person has a single one-shot targetable rez then no one flips until their 2nd elimination. I'm sure we have someone who can investigate the dead though.

[boomfrog]

I'll compromise to somi or TSS if that gets you guys off patzer.

[Seven]

@seven: Why would you think everyone has one rez when you personally had a special power for a rez? Wouldn't it be likely that most people will stay eliminated?

If that were the case, Suzaku would be flipped.

If one person has a single one-shot targetable rez then no one flips until their 2nd elimination. I'm sure we have someone who can investigate the dead though.

If we still have 1 or more cult members at the start of the day tomorrow, we will know we were wrong on Pat and this supposed 1-shot reviver can revive her. I'm not switching to anyone, Pat is the exact best elimination for today.

[boomfrog]

Btw, reasons that Seven's role claim is fake:
1) It's the exact role I speculated already but she didn't make reference to that, which means she invented the role after reading the thread and forgot/incepted my idea. If she really had the role she would have quoted and laughed about my guess in her catch up posting.
2) We are in the city of phoenix so why have an actual phoenix role?
3) Heauy was unhappy to be eliminated and expected to be out of the game. If he really had a role that benefits from it's first elimination he would have been joked about it and not been so frustrated in his final posts.

We should not follow seven's lead. Wanting to eliminate the mafia-cop is not a good strategy for town. I'd rather eliminate Seven then patzer. Anyone in for that?

[Seven]

Interesting theory, but I did reference the role having been mentioned. I don't recall you mentioning it, but I know jimbob did, hence:

-There are probably several ways for people to be resurrected this game. It's a bit wacky to me that everyone is surprised-pikachu-face about Heury being resurrected in a game centered around resurrection. Based on Jimbob correctly identifying my role, I'd speculate there are other phoenixes/phoenix-like roles out there in addition to mine. I also suspect there is a necromancer, given the Halloween theme. And mafia has at least one way to be resurrected, otherwise we'd be able to deduce that someone is town based on their potential to be revived.

[Seven]

We should not follow seven's lead. Wanting to eliminate the mafia-cop is not a good strategy for town. I'd rather eliminate Seven then patzer. Anyone in for that?

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[Seven]

(Also for what it's worth, my flavor does indeed poke fun at dressing up as a phoenix in Phoenix)

[boomfrog]

Interesting theory, but I did reference the role having been mentioned. I don't recall you mentioning it, but I know jimbob did

That's fine. My point about Heauy's attitude is sufficient evidence on it's own.

We should not follow seven's lead. Wanting to eliminate the mafia-cop is not a good strategy for town. I'd rather eliminate Seven then patzer. Anyone in for that?

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[Seven]

Yeah I mean I don't really know what to say to that point. It's incorrect, but I see how you could believe it. Anyway, I know you want to have your end of the day fun, but we really should unite on this.

[boomfrog]

@LaserGuy: patzer isn't even doing a self defense vote. She is so freaking town. Take out you, me, JimBob and patzer as town there's only 2 town left, moody is a good shot.

Good night. I hope you guys make the right call.

[boomfrog]

No shenanigans, this is my last post toDay. Goodnight and good luck.