Gojoe Memorial Mafia Thread

[Freddino18]

11 herbs and spices

I'm actually going to invoke the single death post rule if/when I die because Penny ripped to pieces is just too perfect.

[heuristically_alone]

Is that a Tales reference or are you tempting me with a tasty recipe?

[Sabrar]

Zestiria

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I love my ego being stroked so I'm pretty sure scum is trying to pocket me, whether it be Boomfrog, heury or EGW. Feels great.
Of course I could totally be wrong and look like an idiot afterwards.

[Freddino18]

Is that a Tales reference or are you tempting me with a tasty recipe?

Recipe for Zesty Chicken

[EGW]

Tales of Zesty Mafia

Yes, I'm mafia. Luckily, this is a multi ball game. So really, the only aspect people are getting right about me is the lack of energy and hype from the beginning of the game. However, I was legitimately out of town, but I did use that as an excuse to give myself time regardless. However by now I'm engaged and trying as hard as I would be as town because I have something to hunt for. I genuinely believe Mak and Hippo are the other mafia here. Also, Bop's my team mate.

[Seven]

To be clear: No one may read Fred’s 11 Herbs and Spices post as it references an ongoing game outside of the game thread.

[AdumbroDeus]

Zestiria, Fred may read

11 herbs and spices

I'm actually going to invoke the single death post rule if/when I die because Penny ripped to pieces is just too perfect.

I'll be disappointed if you don't! Actually I feel like I'm the only one that ever takes advantage of it and it's a standard rule in most games. Everyone should do death posts!

[Sabrar]

Zestiria

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edited because misunderstanding of rules

[Freddino18]

I invoke my right to a death post

[Freddino18]

Zestiria

Fucking knew it. Hopefully people take into account my twilight posts. Bop was out of left field, and I hope the other scum team is as easy to spot

Edit: WAM TOO? I fucking half-solved DAY ONE? This game would've been legendary.

[Freddino18]

The Zest, somi may read when no longer in game

Penny and my character are both non-human but aligned with the good side.

[Sabrar]

Zestiria

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Immensely valuable insight into Sabrar's mind as he contemplates his power-usage right before his untimely demise.

I am Jailer, i.e. roleblocker plus Doc combined. Therefore there are 2 main avenues of using my ability: I can either protect a fellow townie who is likely to be killed or to block a player who I think is scum. I cannot protect myself, which is a shame.
Optimal usage depends on a ton of factors, do we have a pure Doc, is there likely to be a PGO, is it only 1 kill per night or de we have multiball/SK/Vig, etc. Generally I will not consider these as they would just complicate things with the setup being hidden but I may ponder on them.
An assumption that I'm willing to make is that the NK will be performed by the most townie-looking scum to avoid Tracker and Roleblock from town. This might be incorrect if scum is specifically afraid of Watcher or if some of them have access to Ninja or Strongman type of powers, but them's the breaks.

Scenario 1: I try to protect a townie looking player and they are indeed town. Hurray, I've successfully blocked a potentially important ability (unless they have something passive). My action only has a positive value if I have managed to guess scum-intention and prevented the kill.

Scenario 2: I try to protect a townie looking player but they are secretly scum. This is looking very good, I have definitely blocked a scum-ability and potentially also prevented the kill if that same townie looking player was chosen to perform it.

Scenario 3: I block a scummy looking player and they are indeed scum. In this case again I have definitely blocked a scum-ability, however probably didn't prevent the kill as it was carried out by a more townie-looking scum. Sidenote: I may be protecting scum from a Vig-shot, which would be bad.

Scenario 4: I block a scummy looking player but they are secretly town. Terrible outcome, I've blocked a useful ability and almost surely didn't prevent the kill as scum has no incentive to target a scummy looking townie. Sidenote again: preventing a Vig-shot on a townie would be good, but it can be argued that resolving the slot with a flip might be more beneficial.

Obviously above scenarios are not equally likely, but already at a first glance options 1 and 2 seem to offer better results. Blocking someone scummy might be the safer option, however I would need to be really certain about my target.

Now that we've decided to use the power as a Doc, who do we target? Off the top of my head (because I don't do N1 rereads anymore) I would have to say Mak or Bop are the two 2 players that are uniformly read as town. Checking heury's spreadsheet we actually see 5 players with an average of 9 or above, however I cannot target myself, I'm never blocking ahippo because he needs to prove his claim and madge is a very unlikely N1 kill. So it remains between Mak and Bop and now the guessing game begins.

Scenario 1: scum targets me with the kill. This is expected, especially if I'm somewhat right in my suspicions. In this case I need to target a player who has the better potential to be scum. Sidenote: same reasoning applies if scum decides to target anyone else outside {Mak, Bop, me}.

Scenario 2: scum decides to target either Mak or Bop and I have to guess correctly.
- Mak is a known entity and therefore might be a higher valued target because he puts out lots of content. However, for the same reason he might be a better Watcher/Doc-target so scum may avoid targeting him (though scum might also think that Doc-protection will be on me). Plus his ego sometimes gets in the way so scum might feel safer around him.
- Bop is a new player here, some find killing a new player N1 to be abhorrent but I believe this line of thought was more prevalent on the old xkcd forums and does not really apply anymore. But I do think that there is less of a chance of Bop being scum.

All-in-all this is extremely close. I started out thinking I would protect Bop, but in the end I think I have convinced myself to target Mak instead. Very curious to learn after the game how close I was.

[moody7277]

Zesty Tales

Well, looks like the Fred wagon happened because I didn't change my vote before going to bed. Bad news, Fred flipped town, but would more likely than not been unhelpful at endgame. Good news, Bubbles is almost certainly town with him pulling a Vytron like that, and I don't think scum are going to NK him due to him being new and more attractive targets available.

Going to neighborize Madge.

[Bop]

Zestiria:

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Never been so glad to not be around the last few hours of deadline. Big agree w Madge there
Bubblez reads town now, but we'll see if he's in the game I suppose. I don't think anyone comes off good from the two major bandwagons of the game, buuuuuuuuuut I still think pushing those who pushed Fred early is a better choice for legit and non legit scum hunting.

Might've fucked myself with how I decided to play the day if I'm at all right with any of my scum reads. Hopefully I'm super wrong and I'm out of the nightkill running, but. Big risk with this kind of faction.

Very funny how I don't have to try to distance myself from my group. It's kinda naturally occurred. I do think the "lets not collaborate in our D1 reads" is a strategy that's going to pay off in terms of hedging bets, but it's also likely to backfire with the "pretty much all of the game would have separate reasons to either vote or nightkill us. It's maybe more creating the best odds of securing the win with one person

[somitomi]

Tails of Zebras mafia

Wohooo, my batman gambit to dodge D1 worked

Draft I absolutely didn't almost accidentally post in thread:

All right, avatar updated for Almost Seamless Replacement^TM

Vote: Sabrar
It's been ages since we played a game together, man.

Now then, seeing as I haven't done my mafia homework in the night, I'd like all of you to quickly summarise what happened yesterday and why Freddino had the Penny avatar.

[AdumbroDeus]

Zestiria

I'm slightly amused that people are talking about how Fred would've been unhelpful in endgame given that he figured out the game was multi-ball AND read half the scum.

And while he didn't have much activity in time traveler mafia, he was also right.

I understand it though, he needs to learn to communicate it better instead of just doing the game entirely in his head.

Also, about Fred's avie, Penny also gets puppeteered by somebody who hacks into her, which Dezel does to Rose via more magical means. Edit: lol, Fred forgot about this, it was totally a perfect Dezel breadcrumb by accident

Edit2: woah boy, so I didn't mention it earlier but ahippo totally misunderstood motivation power (it explicitly says it informs the target, and it's two night actions, not doubled actions. Unfortunately for malevolance mafia they're making plans based on the assumption ahippo's representation is correct.

[Seven]

Tales

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I'm slightly amused that people are talking about how Fred would've been unhelpful in endgame given that he figured out the game was multi-ball AND read half the scum.

Yeah it's the exact opposite. If people recognized it, Fred would be Town's "we win" card every game. I still think he should for the most part be left alone until D3 and only elimmed if he misses. It's like waiting for Goku to arrive from Snake Way.

Also woah did you guys know you can quote posts directly from the topic review underneath the post box?

[AdumbroDeus]

Tales

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I'm slightly amused that people are talking about how Fred would've been unhelpful in endgame given that he figured out the game was multi-ball AND read half the scum.

Yeah it's the exact opposite. If people recognized it, Fred would be Town's "we win" card every game. I still think he should for the most part be left alone until D3 and only elimmed if he misses. It's like waiting for Goku to arrive from Snake Way.

Also woah did you guys know you can quote posts directly from the topic review underneath the post box?

Zestiria

Wouldn't go that far, but just an extremely insightful player that town should avoid eliming without actual evidence of scum play especially given a known meta of acting like this. And definitely a flipped Fred's reads should be highly valued whether Nk'd or yeeted.

And ya! It's been a lifesaver on mobile, thought everyone knew.

[Seven]

Tales

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I'm slightly amused that people are talking about how Fred would've been unhelpful in endgame given that he figured out the game was multi-ball AND read half the scum.

Yeah it's the exact opposite. If people recognized it, Fred would be Town's "we win" card every game. I still think he should for the most part be left alone until D3 and only elimmed if he misses. It's like waiting for Goku to arrive from Snake Way.

Also woah did you guys know you can quote posts directly from the topic review underneath the post box?

Zestiria

Wouldn't go that far, but just an extremely insightful player that town should avoid eliming without actual evidence of scum play especially given a known meta of acting like this. And definitely a flipped Fred's reads should be highly valued whether Nk'd or yeeted.

And ya! It's been a lifesaver on mobile, thought everyone knew.

Tales

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I'm inclined to. These are where his votes have landed in his town games.

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He also predicted the last scum in Millerizer before dying. And EoD4 Town vote was only cause Thea convinced him to. People killing off an asset because he doesn't play the way they want them to (looking at you bessie!)

[Freddino18]

A zesty response

Well now that you put it in writing....

Anyway, I hope they take my Singular Read seriously this game.

[Wam]

Zest

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@ bubbles hope this hasnt spoilt your enjoyment of games and please do come.back if you want to.

[madge]

Zestria

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okay well i spent some time thinking about what to do with my power and i am gonna watch mak who i think is the most likely scum target, maybe i'll even see the nightkill

i've conferred with my scummate and we've agreed our strategy is going to be "AUDACITY", we are going to do everything that would be too obvious for scum to do

hence my miller claim

they're traffic analyst and are analysing ahippo today but if pushed will claim to have analysed me (to test my miller claim) and got negative result

if ahippo has no chat we're going to redirect them to me tomorrow, fingers crossed, if it works i might get to double my hyper strongman kill

hopefully it's FUN for everyone, so keen for AUDACITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AdumbroDeus]

Zestiria

That was a spicy night.

Madge knows laser and sabrar visited mak

Boomfrog knows BOTH flavor cops visited him.

Moody got tree stumped so is still in his neighborhood with Madge. Which tells Madge that tree stumped people keep their chats.

Also, we got a suppression mafia misstating things, Neo told Bop Boomfrog was allied with THE Lord of calamity instead of A Lord of Calamity. Ahippo did that with how motivation works. Any bets on if malevolance mafia will make the same mistake? Though I'm suspecting it's more likely that their "redirect motivation to Madge" plan resulting from ahippo's mistake is way more likely to be what hurts them.

Oh ya, and I can't wait for the non-flavor blind people to get here, *cough, I know Mak, though at least Bop has been doing their research*

[madge]

Zestria

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so i've received a "mark of supression", which i'm pretty worried about. there's no cults but i'm worried it's going to impact my play

current plan is to avoid claiming to moody until i have to (oh, i'm his neighbour!!! hi!)

will just claim basically my real role but replace the super NK with a doctor - slash - something else.

[AdumbroDeus]

Desolation

Only part of Bersaria?! Mak, I am disappointed. Bersaria is amazing, how could you not finish it?!

I think you can do online co-op with parsec or the like if you wanna give it another shot ^_^

I actually envisioned this entire game around people not thinking of that Bersaria is a prequel so I could use it to pull a secret combined world with two mafias that town would have to figure out or flip somebody to know. I tend to think of Zestiria as the weakest game in the series that I've played, but Bersaria is one of my absolute favorites.

Btw, I called your reaction on the reveal, I was eagerly anticipating your post when we did the flips.

*Waits patiently for Mak to be removed from the game so he can see this and we can nerd out about tales*

Edit: EGW in scumchat, one of the flavor cops: Boomfrog knows.

Edit2: sabrar unfortunately is entirely wrong on the NK analysis. Bessie got vigged, moody was the mafia kill, and the treestumping was a different power on reaction.

Edit3: watching people play around their NA knowledge is fun. Boom pretending to not know that two flavor cops exist, heury pretending he didn't murder Bessie, and JC questioning heury and obfuscating by also questioning EGW, like he doesn't know that heury probably murdered Bessie but also, he correctly thinks heury is a vig or SK.

It's great drama.