Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[JC_DADDY25]

Gut feelings right now...

Mak
Bessie
EGW
Wam
Moody
Madge
Bop
ahippo
Laserguy
TehBubblez
Boomfrog
Freddino
Sabrar



heuristically_alone - indy? Not sure why, but if we have an indy in this game I feel it's Heury.

I'm assuming top is town and bottom is scum?

Correct

[EGW]

1. The fact that Boomfrog thinks I'm town is not damning, I just need to make sure I'm not trusting folks just cuz they call me town.

Yes, good call. I'm more suspicious that Boomfrog is scum, cuz I'm exactly the kinda player you can "butter up" so to speak, so that I use my ability on them. Bessie would be perfectly fine with me dying today, and her reasons for suspecting me are pretty understandable.

[EGW]

What do you mean by not damning?

[Makhaira]

Bubblez, fred, laser, bessie

Heury kinda at null line, tbh bessie is too

What changed with LaserGuy? Since you said they weren't a good play today alongside Boom.

Im not feeling strong in either direction about either slot but know these slots can provide good long term utility if I am able to sort them as town so I dont think theyre great early game plays all else equal

[bessie]

Quick catch-up bark! Something is wrong with my husband’s Steam and I have been screwing with it for over an hour.

And yes, god, it is easy to work yourself up into a take being a slam dunk and sticking to your guns.

Yep and this is totally me. I used to be even more stubborn but I don’t have the time to devote to the game that I used to have, so the past few games I have played I’ve decided just to post what I am thinking and not proofread as much.

This reads like "if I believe Fred could fake his way out of a paper bag". I wish y'all would stop calling that a town slip, because it's not. The ONLY thing it implies is that I'm not independent. I specifically said it was not part of the alignment section and I didn't claim one way or the other on Shepherd/Lord of Chaos.

Hi Fred! I’m not crediting you with a town slip! How about some reads?

I am not independent

Happy?

Instead of claiming, how about some reads?

Bessie
Bessie is hitting her usual meta. I'm not seeing anything either way and I think bessie has got a lot better at matching her play irrespective over alignment over the last few years. Push on me is fair!

Hmm, I should start a list of everyone that has a read of me as “meta”.

I haven't found anything in your content that has given me a huge townping, but nothing has been overly concerning either. A few games ago me not finding you instantly town would probably be enough to scumread you, but you've gotten better at evading my detection in recent games so I'm happy to let you do your thing for now. I'm not interested in voting you and will reassess your content when I have more time.

Meta.

If you can't see what I'm seeing here I think there is absolutely nothing else I can say to convince you. I'm dying on this hill.

Speaking of which, I feel like EGW not making any serious effort to try to pull votes and help consolidate is a bad look for him and I'm giving him a scumlean for it.

I agree with your observation that this is unlike EGW.

Based on what mod has said, it should be Null. But I'm agreeable with everyone claiming shepard or calamity. Also we should agree on an order to claim it, to attempt to have scum to claim first, though I don't think it would be telling either way. I am interest to know how many player are aligned in each flavored team.

I don’t believe in claiming this early and for no good reason. -1 to both of you.

Ahippo- God I want opinions and actual reads so bad.I can understand the instinct to not have him “locked in” as town long game, it’s honestly critical to be able to change your mind and not lock yourself in a “but I was right the first time” hole, but I could not disagree more on the people discussing eliminating him off the worry that he could be gambity scum instead of stressed townie.

I think you are misunderstanding my reasons for keeping ahippo on my votables list. Yes I have pointed out two things he has done that I see as scummy. But there’s also not contributing is not helping.
Pre-post edit: Ok I see ahippo is here. Will read and evaluate.

Fred- I do want that reads list out, and I agree that there’s more promises than not. Fred has been defensive but more about his general playstyle which reads at worst neutral to me. I still think Fred is town coming off as sus to people, and scum are taking advantage of it. This could drop for me in the next in game day depending on his takes which would uproot my list badly.

Fred is another player that will be a liability late game even if he is town, if he doesn’t contribute. Do you want to be stuck in a three way gunfight at the end with Fred and someone that has been consistently posting content that you can go back and analyze? You also have JC in this category, but JC has at least given us an ordered list.


@Fred, how about an ordered list? That would be a good start.


I can be here at deadline.

[EGW]

Unvote; Vote: Boomfrog

[heuristically_alone]

Everyones reads with 1 being scum read and 14 being town read using their most updated reads.

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Additional Post Reads Lists notes from some players:
Bop - States both Heury and TehBubble are scummish
Freddino - No reads at all
JC - "heuristically_alone - indy?"
Laserguy - "Going to give Wam a slight townlean and Moody a slight scumlean. Bop to scumlean. Heury can be Town." "willing to vote for Bop, Fred, maybe Moody. I guess I'd do JC in a pinch" EGW scumlean
Moody - "Votables: Fred, heury (but not today), TehBubblez, anyone else who's not +1"

Other notes:
Mak never listed reads all together so his reads order as compiled to the best of my understanding
Since I compiled in order of scum to town, ties leaned towards scum, except when compiling Moody since his list consisted of -0.5, 0.5, and 1. The positive pointed I compiled in order of town to scum.
Bop's recent reads list was drastically the most changed of anyone that posted an updated reads list. Just noting for now.

I'm willing to vote boomfrog, JC, laserguy, TehBubble, or Wam

[LaserGuy]

Mak
This is the behavior I associate with Town.Mak. Am slightly worried by them turning it down though as day 1 has gone on.

LaserGuy, thoughts on the underlined here.

I don't know Mak's weekend schedule well enough to say for sure, but nothing seems particularly out of line for my expectations of him.

[heuristically_alone]

Also will vote Freddino if there's enough players willing

[Makhaira]

Quote pinging all the people not voting, time to make it happen we are under 6 hours to deadline I think

[Makhaira]

Vote count 1.9
1. Makhaira(1) - EGW
2. EGW(0) -
3. Moody7277(1) - Bop
4. Wam(0) -
5. Sabrar(0) -
6. ahippo(1) - Bessie
7. TehBubblez(3) - Makhaira, Boomfrog, heuristically_alone
8. Boomfrog(1) - Sabrar
9. Bop(0) -
10. Bessie(0) -
11. Freddino18(3) - LaserGuy, Wam, Moody7277
12. JC_DADDY25(0) -
13. heuristically_alone(1) - TehBubblez
14. Madge(0) -
15. Laserguy(0) -

Not voting: Freddino18, JC_DADDY25, Madge, ahippo

With 15 players alive it takes 8 to eliminate

The deadline is set for Sunday January 20th at 2 am EST.

From this VC I think only changes are

EGW votes ahippo

Ahippo votes Fred

EGW votes boomfrog

[Makhaira]

EGW give me cliffnotes on boom ill sheep you and sab there if theres something there

[Makhaira]

Sab same to you if youre around like short version of the read

[AdumbroDeus]

Letting you folks know, I'm currently at work until likely 12, I'll do vote counts when I can. May consider Sunday earlier in the day for next day phase.


Vote count 1.10
1. Makhaira(0) -
2. EGW(0) -
3. Moody7277(1) - Bop
4. Wam(0) -
5. Sabrar(0) -
6. ahippo(1) - Bessie
7. TehBubblez(3) - Makhaira, Boomfrog, heuristically_alone
8. Boomfrog(2) - Sabrar, EGW
9. Bop(0) -
10. Bessie(0) -
11. Freddino18(4) - LaserGuy, Wam, Moody7277, ahippo
12. JC_DADDY25(0) -
13. heuristically_alone(1) - TehBubblez
14. Madge(0) -
15. Laserguy(0) -

Not voting: Freddino18, JC_DADDY25, Madge

With 15 players alive it takes 8 to eliminate

The deadline is set for Sunday January 20th at 2 am EST.

[ahippo]

1. The fact that Boomfrog thinks I'm town is not damning, I just need to make sure I'm not trusting folks just cuz they call me town.

Yes, good call. I'm more suspicious that Boomfrog is scum, cuz I'm exactly the kinda player you can "butter up" so to speak, so that I use my ability on them. Bessie would be perfectly fine with me dying today, and her reasons for suspecting me are pretty understandable.

I mean, I was specifically comparing Boomfrog to bessie in that bottom quote. Like I'm currently MORE inclined to think Boomfrog is scum than bessie for that one specific reason. But, like, I'm trusting my power to a random number generator, and you think I'd be like "Yeah, let's totally lynch Boomfrog, cuz he, and OTHERS openly think I'm town." That'd be a helluva game to play.

[moody7277]

Also will vote Freddino if there's enough players willing

Well, Fred's already got 4 votes on him, so...

[LaserGuy]

Quick updated reads for posterity if I get bodied or if I end up as a compromise elim.

Town
Mak
ahippo
Heury
Madge
Sabrar
BoomFrog
Bubbles
Wam
Bessie
JC ------ null
Moody
EGW
Fred
Bop
Scum

[moody7277]

May consider Sunday earlier in the day for next day phase.

Yes, please. Actually being able to be on at the deadline would be *chef's kiss*.

[EGW]

EGW give me cliffnotes on boom ill sheep you and sab there if theres something there

Boom -

Tone feels fake
Doesn't engage you to work together with his strongest town read
Doesn't feel the need to defend his early bubbles townread, which is the norm for Boom
No townie pings from Boom

[EGW]

BoomFrog

Can you explain this one.

[heuristically_alone]

Updated with Laserguys most updated reads

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@ahippo can we get a reads list from you along with a vote please?

[JC_DADDY25]

Ahippo is voting Fred

[EGW]

More votes on Boom, please.

[Makhaira]

egw is boom really a more prudent long term play than bubblez or fred here

[Makhaira]

I kinda see your point like boom has been underwhelming but it could be an expectation bias thing