Tales of Desolation mafia Day 2

[EGW]

Vote: Hippo

[EGW]

Sabrar, My condolences. I am curious about any reads you have so far if you have the time.

[EGW]

My friend was playing Tales of Grace. Sadly, he hasn't played Tales of Zestiria yet.

[Bop]

Same post where I made those comments about madge, I said this:

I often don't bother explaining my reads until I post my full list unless somebody asks about it. It's more helpful to see who is engaged.

Okay, I obviously need to go read your posts from that page more thoroughly as that's two things in the exact same one. I apologize, that is on me. Still don't like it as a conceit.

Hippo and bubblez are both lame and cringe for OMGUS voting, its only cool and smart when I do it duh

And yes hippo fry me = pressure/elim the slot

Hippo starts responding to this, yet likely sees Bop's response in P-edit, and adapts his response after reading it.

Mak questions Hippo on this.

Straight up got ninja'd and didn't notice.

This, does not seem like a valid answer. This feels like Mafia trying to keep calm while being questioned, yet he gives an answer that doesn't make sense.

This interaction is super weird but FWIW I had the same impression of ahippo's vote on moody so it could be coincidence/groupthink. I kinda agree with Sabrar that this is too on the nose to be staged.

What remains to be seen here is the interaction is weird. Yet that's because of Hippo. Everyone is letting the claim clear themselves when their actions doesn't align with a town alignment.

I'm about to start swearing off handshakes for the next couple years just for what that word choice has turned into.

Not my place to defend him but I just can't envision a world where even as scum someone would panic at stealing somebody's word choice, lie that they didn't see to cover it up, and clam up because it worried them that much. I even considered saying high-five instead of handshake in my initial post which was the other word he ended up using. They're common "reciprocating a greeting" words and I cannot believe people are still trying to squeeze motive out of his handshake post and reaction to it. Your version of events making more sense to you than "ahippo happened to use the same word and didn't see my post until after" is wild to me.

Would I like ahippo to give reads? Yes, bc of his position as someone with a spotlight who to me is incredibly likely town. Do I think his reactions were suspicious? A panic at feeling like he was "caught in a lie"? I don't! It had basically been dropped when he moved on to his pressing Moody abt a night action-I believe the wrong move, but not the move of someone scared they got caught on basic wording, and certainly not a D1 elimination choice! Even if you don't believe he's within 20 miles of guaranteed town, to be the person worth voting doesn't make sense to me at all.

I disagree on the claim take, but I can't for one second understand the handshake one.

My friend was playing Tales of Grace. Sadly, he hasn't played Tales of Zestiria yet.

That Zestiria is on sale for the ps3 but full price on all pc markets has been such a tragedy to me.

[EGW]

That wording seems very specific, that it definitely seems like Hippo adapted their post with yours in mind. In the end, the interaction is weird, and he claimed pre-maturely and dipped out of the thread. I will say that wording is not common to myself, and I assume this applies to others besides yourself. He moved on to asking moody in the same page as Mak questioning him on this. Essentially, I think his thought process is that he felt he messed up, and claimed to get the exact reaction people are giving him, clearing him as town, while he isn't doing anything. Yes, I believe he is the vote for today, and better than your vote on Heury at the moment. Can you explain to me why Hippo is very likely town? Can you tell me what you believe separate from his claim?

[EGW]

Unvote LG; Vote Heury

Can you elaborate on this?

[Bop]

I will say that wording is not common to myself, and I assume this applies to others besides yourself.

This I accept. I should not assume wording that I find common everyone else from any region and age and anything other demo would think so too. That's on me.

As to why I believe ahippo is town separate from his claim, tbh it is mostly the hyper specific claim.

[heuristically_alone]

I only see Fred as town alluding to his role and changing his profile pic

Fred has done this every game he has played. It's NAI.

There's more evidence now of town though. Such as the fact he thought the game could be a multiball.

It reads to me like he's already being careful to not seem to aggressive to get people voted off within the first few posts. "Seeming" being my issue.

This is hilarious to me. Because I'm actively trying to play more aggressive. I still like your read, as it make sense my conflicting non-aggressive self might make my gameplay feel that way.

@huery was the egw vote serious?

I don't believe I ever voted EGW

[bessie]

Daily bark!

I am so fucking down to push wagons to E-2 range more than 24 hours before deadline like PLEASE

I would love to have a serious tunnel going on someone but I feel that the more active posters thus far are townie, and I would like to see more from TehBubblez, JC, and ahippo before I start a real push. I also think Wam and EGW are a little light on content compared to their usual townie metas. And want to give Fred a chance to post because he gave a reason for his light content thus far and he said he would be posting.

Oh, and it's D1 so let's give us something to talk about: I'm a miller.

Well dammit I guess this is the one role that you’re supposed to claim early, but I still think you should have waited.

can you expand on this take more? Im interested in your rationale

This was one of the conventions that everyone followed on the old forum, that if you’re a miller you should claim on D1, and it’s a “rule” that predated my mafia tenure. That’s my rationale, that Madge is following the old convention.

Why am I so low?

Like, for reals? You don’t know?

@fred what have you done to not be so low?

I've posted more than people higher on that list, so the citation of "lack of content" is disingenuous as directed at me.

Everything you have posted thus far is active lurking.

Hey yall, very sorry about my inactivity, it's been an adjustment period for me the past few days trying to get my sleep schedule adjusted for a 3rd shift job I'm starting next week. I will get more posted tonight/tomorrow

I’m looking forward to reading your posts!

I will explain my vote shortly, but I want to hear what Fred thinks first.

Like with Madge, don’t hold your breath.


More later I got home late and need to cook dinner.
(middle of page 9)

[moody7277]

ahippo: haiku, reciprocal RV, clearing up term, explanation to Mak about the vote, response about matching language, asks me about night actions, no reads on people yet, claims power enhancement and is unconcerned about consequences. +0.5

Bessie: conf post reads have Sabrar, Madge, JC townie, wam and Mak sus, votes ahippo for rolefishing, also doesn't like him claiming, likes heury's setup spec, likes Bop making a reads list. +1

boomfrog: votes Bop due to rationalizing RV, dislikes ahippo claiming, asks about JC's analysis of "handshake", reads Bop as town, reads list with Mak and Sabrar also town, votes Fred, wants him to be helpful, asking LG about reads, discussion with heury, switches vote to him, wants early voting for info. +1

Bop: D1 hate, links Mak and Sabrar, sees Bubblez as new, votes heury in obligatory way, first half of "handshake" issue, says it was a coincidence, answers Bessie about needing to vote, doesn't like ahippo rolefishing, reads list with ahippo and Mak townie, wam and heury scummy. +0.5

EGW: Bubblez being unhelpful, asks Bop about heury being sus, analysis of the "handshake" issue, finds ahippo sus, disagrees with LG reading ahippo as town, votes ahippo, explains to Bop about ahippo, asks boomfrog about his vote. Due to his delayed entry, the "handshake" issue may be all he's had time to dive into. +0.5

Fred: comments about flavor blind, says he'll post more on the weekend, asks LG about his read of Fred, says he's posted a lot. -0.5

heury: foses Bubblez, responses about non-vote on Bubblez, boomfrog acting different, Mak focus on "handshake" townie, reads list with ahippo Fred town, BF and EGW scum, votes BF, doesn't like LG's reads, reason for reading EGW as scum blows up. -0.5, but would prefer to wait until D2

JC: wants to analyze "handshake" issue, asks BF about Fred, says info from analysis will be useful later more than now. +0.5

LG: RV EGW, wants to know why Bubblez thinks Mak's vote is justified, some town reads, asks ahippo about his rolefishing, "handshake" issue a coincidence, doesn't like that ahippo claimed Encourager, Madge town, accepting of BF's vote, asks heury about reads list, makes his own with ahippo Mak town, Fred Bessie scum, votes Fred, explains a couple other reads, asks Bop about his read of Fred. +1

Madge: likes fancy conf posts, lots of RL stuff, not taking part in last minute scramble, accepts ahippo's claim, everyone else neutral, setup spec, claims miller, Mak should not be seen as town. +1

Mak: likes Bop, RV Bubblez, likes Sabrar being excited, makes vote on Bubblez serious after their reaction, diversion into ego driven elims, diving into "handshake" issue, has ahippo as town after claim, setup spec, still wants Bubblez wagoned, in favor of early votes. +0.5

Sabrar: RV BF, approves of Mak's read, unvotes, disagrees with Mak's analysis of "handshake" issue, notes ahippo rolefishing, early town claiming exploitable, other rules more flexible. +1

TehBubblez: has played elsewhere, asks Mak about RV, thinks heury was wagoning, miffed with Mak for his vote, countervotes Mak, unvotes calling it not serious (seemed serious at the time). -0.5

wam: RV Sabrar, some responses, disagrees with Mak's analysis of "handshake" issue, votes heury off reads list, ahippo and Mak town, switches vote to Fred based on lack of content. +0.5

Votables: Fred, heury (but not today), TehBubblez, anyone else who's not +1

[Seven]

Vote count 1.6
1. Makhaira -
2. EGW -
3. Moody7277 -
4. Wam -
5. Sabrar -
6. ahippo - Bessie, EGW
7. TehBubblez - Makhaira
8. Boomfrog - heuristically_alone
9. Bop -
10. Bessie -
11. Freddino18 - LaserGuy, Wam
12. JC_DADDY25 -
13. heuristically_alone - Bop, Boomfrog
14. Madge -
15. Laserguy -

Not voting: Sabrar, Freddino18, JC_DADDY25, Madge, ahippo, Moody7277, TehBubblez

With 15 players alive it takes 8 to eliminate

The deadline is set for Sunday January 20th at 2 am EST.

[TehBubblez]

Alright, I'm here, let's address some things.

Also unappreciated, but understandable. What made you want to pressure me first @Makhaira?

I just picked a random person Id never played with from the roster, it was an RVS vote

But this reply is giving me a reason to stay, Why me? = Fry me

More votes on bubbles please!

I was more asking how Mak selected me to place a vote on, which was explained. If it was just left at "Picked from players I've never played with" that would have been fine to me. IMO Why me? = Fry me rarely ever works.

If anything someone taking a stance against you should help you read the slot, a town player should relish the interaction and the discussion that will follow from someone taking a stance on one's slot.

I do relish interaction, that isn't why I got upset. I got upset because I truly feel like I wasn't posting like I was saying "But there are 13 other slots to vote" like you seem to think, I just wanted to know for sure why you put your vote on me, that's all. That is also why I said it was understandable that you did vote for me, because I suspected it was "I've never played with this one" more than anything else.

Things that stood out upon reread:

As for D1 stuff, I'm never good with it
I know pretty much nobody here soooooo I'll vote closer to deadline lol

Gives off the vibe as though TehBubblez thinks all those RVS votes are final but at the same time they acknowledge that they are aware of the nature of D1.
Could be that they hate D1 on a level similar to Madge, still feels a bit like overexplaining in that case.

I am very much in the "Hate And Also Quite Bad At Day 1" camp.

Explain it to him, his norm seems to be waiting out D1 it seems.

Very much, see above

Okay I think that's definitely way too much about myself, but anyway, post about reads incoming

[TehBubblez]

On another note I was just informed that a colleague passed away due to a sudden illness. I'll be back later, maybe this evening, maybe tomorrow.

Very sorry to hear this Sabrar. All the best.

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FOS: tehbubbez

This was posted only 2 minutes after Mak voted for me, and after I posted a single time. Mak said he RV'd me which is fine, but this with no follow up, reason, or answer to it is suspicious, because that isn't an RV. And like I said in the post addressing it, I didn't say it was a full bandwagon, just way too cautious of a "Hey me, too!" kind of post for my liking. Running along side a potential bandwagon to look like they are doing something.

And tbh, the longer I think of it, heuristically_alone's early finger of suspicion is almost more suspicious to me than any of the voting-casting aspersions with less attachment than a vote but more oomph than musing.

So for now I'm gonna

Vote: heuristically_alone

The audacity and injustice of such a vote! Have you not considered that they already had a vote so why would I place a second vote on a player during the RVS phase?

This also seems suspicious just because it seems like an overreaction and an act at the same time if that makes sense? I don't like the response. Heur also had an opportunity to address the FOS and just... didn't other than "I didn't want two votes on someone"

Though it seems from future posts this is just their answer for any vote against them.

Aww, I'm town. Oh well, it'll still be fun.

@mak Good catch. Nice to see you are town too.

Welcome tehbubbez! <= (also town)

@heuy, why are you voting for tehbubbez who is town?

Not a fan of any of this interaction tbh, and not just because I'm in it. Feels like intentional and obvious attempts at pocketing

Why me fry me is gospel tho folks, trust

Bubblez wagon plz

I really don't think asking for reasoning is that big of an issue, and you are drawing an awful lot of attention to it, but if you want to opp this hard on me that's fine buddy

Vote: Makhaira

I was tired and stressed plz don't hate me

TehBubblez – Hi Tehbubblez, welcome to the forum! Your confirmation post is non standard and therefore not acceptable, but I do not know enough about you yet to determine if this is alignment addictive. Neutral for now.

I had no idea this was a thing lmao I love this

After looking a bit deeper into flavor I think I chose the wrong pfp

Fluff and nothing useful from Fred yet

Hey Moody, do you have a night action? No need to specify faction or power. Simply, yes or no.

This is an insane question to ask this early, I don't like it at all

As for D1 stuff, I'm never good with it
I know pretty much nobody here soooooo I'll vote closer to deadline lol

We don’t know you either, so let’s get acquainted. How long have you been playing mafia? What do you like about the game? And what are your preferred pronouns? I’m bessie (she/her), so named for the Labrador Retriever in my profile pic. She was my best friend and one of a kind. My current dog is Hoku, and he runs on rocket fuel, so most pics I have of him are a blur. I started playing mafia on xkcd in late 2013 and never played anywhere else until we lost the old forum. And I am sooooo happy to have this new place!
Pre-post edit: Partially answered in this post.

I wish I saw this sooner! Yeah like stated before, I've been playing Mafia on and off for years, recently played a little bit with Discord Mafia. I love the "Gotcha" feeling you get with this game whenever it happens. I also love the different flavors, roles, and game styles people come up with, it's always fun trying something new.
Preferred pronouns are He/Him, I am a father and have the dad energy to match, my kiddo is 16 months old, so still new to it lol, looking forward to playing this with all of you, truly! (even if I seemed a bit heavy handed earlier)

Why Moody? Honest answer, when he voted for me, I just found it very endearing and wanted to ask someone I thought would answer. Vibes are all I've got right now.

Why do I care if Moody has a power? I can double a person's use of that power, once per night, only twice in the game, and on separate nights. Realizing now that if I do pick Moody, then that's an extra target on him, so ... yeah, it's useless if my target dies.

I'd probably just be better off using a random number generator to pick my target. I trust blind statistics more than my own intuition at this point.

This is either just an honest bad town play, or... no it's just bad. Well live and learn I guess. I agree with Mak's later post about this, making me definitely think Mak & Hippo town

@Boomfrog: could you please elaborate your read on LaserGuy? And also bessie if you are willing.

I'll elaborate on LG after he gets a chance to make another significant post. I considered postponing posting my list at all just to avoid this inevitable followup question, but decided not to overthink it.

Was this ever addressed? You unvoted, but never explained the read at all.

Instead of trying to be clever by alluding to your role and/or alignment with a cleverly chosen profile pic when 13 of us are flavor blind anyway, how about giving us your thoughts on the game so far?

If this is true, I would lean freddino towards less scummy

I don't understand the thinking here as we have heard literal zero from Fred otherwise. And they aren't even using a pfp from Zestiria

Oh, and Bessie, I only asked Boom about it because he made it a point to ask for Fred to post something that could help town. I feel like Fred tries to avoid people's radar in the first few days and tries to be different in general. It attracts attention, but also makes people forget about him at the same time. If that makes any sense.

Could be earnest. Feels that way. Still I would like a bit more actual content from Fred

Yes, bessie, you'd suffocate.

Work was mad today, I really should have stayed as a replacement. Right now I have two employees and on Monday I'll have three. I've got to set a good example by not being on the forum!!!

I'll do a proper post tomorrow, unless I don't. D1 is so performative and I'm pretty convinced that any ability to read this is well beyond me.

@Bessie have I ever made a good read, myself? an actual read, not like, mechanics analysis. I don't recall it ever happening, but you somehow have a photographic memory of 10+ years of mafia stuff (I'm another who started on xkcdia in 2012, hi)

Hmm... I think madge is Town.

Why? Just vibes or what?

Can you explain this thought process in more detail please?

I only see Fred as town alluding to his role and changing his profile pic

This... doesn't really answer the question?

Oh, and it's D1 so let's give us something to talk about: I'm a miller.

Oh. Has... anyone actually talked about this? Mak confirmed the claim was real a little ways down and tries to get more conversation going but it was otherwise dropped. I guess Bessie mentions it too a little later

Why am I so low?

See,THIS is a "Why me?"

Doing early responses to directs, mostly.

Can you elaborate on why it's more suspicious?

It reads to me like he's already being careful to not seem to aggressive to get people voted off within the first few posts. "Seeming" being my issue.

Haha you think a day or two later is close to deadline? I'll gladly get you a calendar because you clearly don't have one.

A day or two can go fast. Without momentum early we easily end up at "oops, no votes". Also your response to my continued accusation, a read of you don't fully engage with accusations, is more of the same thing! Arguing semantics over the deadline bit but ignoring the rest.

Finding myself fully agreeing with these points
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So, with all this being said (Sorry for the absurdly long post), I don't think I like Heur at all in this moment.

Vote: Heuristically_alone

Also Read list so far

Townish
Mak
ahippo
Bop
Bessie
Sabrar
EGW
Moody

Scummish
Heur
Fred
Boomfrog

No Idea
Wam
JC
Madge
Laserguy

Disclaimer:I am FAMOUSLY bad at D1 reads, so take this list with a grain of salt please!

[moody7277]

This was posted only 2 minutes after Mak voted for me, and after I posted a single time. Mak said he RV'd me which is fine, but this with no follow up, reason, or answer to it is suspicious, because that isn't an RV. And like I said in the post addressing it, I didn't say it was a full bandwagon, just way too cautious of a "Hey me, too!" kind of post for my liking. Running along side a potential bandwagon to look like they are doing something.

So you're saying that heury actually voting would be less suspicious because it would show conviction instead of hedging?

Vote: Fred

Go go Family Truckster.

[Wam]

@huery was the egw vote serious?

I don't believe I ever voted EGW

You didn't, sorry no idea why i thouught that. Did you have any reason for.egw so low.other than the other game?

40 and a bit hours to deadline. I'm happy with Fred currently. Am going to be doing full readlist tomorrow.

[TehBubblez]

So you're saying that heury actually voting would be less suspicious because it would show conviction instead of hedging?

Not really. I'm saying it's the timing of the FoS, as well as it being based off a RV instead of following their own lead somewhere, plus the utter lack of follow up. It just seems fishy to me.

[Sabrar]

Disclaimer: my reads make sense from my own pov, others have different experiences and/or expectations. Especially true when I am talking about what I expect from other players, I am probably equally bad or worse at anticipating what they are likely to do as they are when evaluating me.

ahippo: besides the claim there is not a lot of content. As I said before for me the way it played out feels genuine, we could debate endlessly about edge cases where it's coming from scum, but for now I feel that would be a waste of time. I would love to see some reads though, being safe from the elim should not be a reason to stop participating in the discussion.

bessie: her limited availability and chosen playstyle leads to her content being mostly reactionary and at a very consistent level, which means I don't have my hopes up of getting a good read based on her D1. I have no issues with the topics she chose to address, I see no big tells in either direction, my one concern is her keeping the vote on ahippo 'on principle' and 'nowhere to move to'. I know she is stubborn but this might be a case of scum!bessie trying too hard to emulate her townie game. Just a suspicion.

Boomfrog: he has been very eager to tell us that he is capable of producing the same content as either alignment. Probably a bit too eager. And I agree with that assessment, consequently I cannot point to any big townie pings coming from him. However I see some little pings in the other direction:
1. my little Boomfrog avatar says that he would encourage working more closely with a perceived towncore, however he's not really trying to engage Makhaira, not even to discuss the focus on TehBubblez whom BoomFrog declared to be town very early and never brought up again.
2.

@Boom Do you think Fred will post anything that will help town on day 1, and if you do... what makes you think so?

Just posting any legit content would help town at least get a read on their slot. So yes, I expect them to actually play the game D1. Is there a reason I shouldn't?

Boomfrog doesn't seem to understand the pov from which the question originates, to the point where the last question reads a bit like scum!BF trying to figure out what he did wrong (kinda similar to the whole 'why me' situation).

3. this is a weird one, but Boomfrog giving a different answer to Mak's question re bessie, and the way he phrased it could be scum!BF trying to incite rivalry.

Bop: new player to me, so no preconceived expectations. Doesn't seem to hold back, I am getting generic townie-vibes from certain phrases and posts, plus there is a well-thought out early read-list that I always appreciate.

EGW: apart from some initial comments his main content is the case on ahippo which - if EGW is town - is coming from a mindset I have struggled to combat many times in the past. It's about drawing a conclusion first and then interpreting all evidence in a way to fit that conclusion. Therefore I will need more from EGW to evaluate him, preferably opinion on other players outside ahippo.

Freddino: doesn't seem to understand the difference between post-count and content. Could be advised by an experienced scumbuddy to maintain the image, but I think the specific mentioning of the multiball theory points more to being town. Very much not a hard read.

heury: my impression is that his priorities are a bit different than the rest of the players, he seems to put having fun before actually trying to win and this is evident in many of his posts. I don't think it is necessarily AI, but in general I do get some townie vibes.

JC: very little content so far, what I saw felt right and natural.

LaserGuy: I find it a bit strange how he never reacted to me. While I did not specifically ask a question, those pings were there for people to engage with me. I also don't really like how 'accommodating' he was to Boomfrog's early vote. Finally I thought he would be more perceptive and interpret heury's content in the tone it was given. I like some of his other points but those are easy to fake.

madge: I know she has evolved over the years however the two 'big' posts of her reminded me very much of our games on the old forum where I used to defend her. However since LaserGuy picked up this role, I no longer have to. Claiming miller is in her scum-range now, but if I had to guess I'd still say she's town here.

Makhaira: healthy paranoia and progression on multiple issues. Not too familiar with Mak's scum-game and don't have time now to dive into it, so it will have to do for now.

moody: seems to be his usual self. And that's all I can say for now.

TehBubblez: I don't find the 'why me' to be a strong evidence. The explanation given is understandable, the later content is okay.

wam: I generally misread wam in the past. I think I figured out why. With that in mind and a specific in his D1 content so far, I think he is town here but I cannot be sure.

Town
ahippo
Makhaira
Bop
madge
wam
JC
moody
Freddino
heury
TehBubblez
EGW -- neutral
bessie
LaserGuy
Boomfrog
Scum

Vote: Boomfrog

[Freddino18]

You have a suspiciously low bar for Fred being engaged. You also apparently never thought to ask why I was voting Fred.

Well I did, so please elaborate

Why do you think I did? I think we've played together enough by this point that you should have at least some idea of what I usually look for when I read people.

I'm not engaging with what-ifs and this-is-my-meta this game. I'm also not going to go back and read old games just to answer a rhetorical question. Consensus seems to be that I'm posting the loudest fluff, so I ask again: please explain.

[Sabrar]

Im not joking its a decent tell, not gonna tunnel bubblez here but I think it warrants some pressure

Slot hasnt done anything since. I think this slot flips red, Im very serious

Why did you go from 'not tunneling, just pressure' to 'seriously this is scum'?

Also just for my own understanding: what is the expected outcome of a 'pressure' vote? Are you hoping that the slot will suddenly improve their content, do you expect a claim, are you looking to see who joins the wagon?

[Freddino18]

Fred: comments about flavor blind, says he'll post more on the weekend, asks LG about his read of Fred, says he's posted a lot. -0.5

I did not say "a lot", I said "more than some".

[EGW]

I'm curious on Mak's and Boomfrog's updated reads, especially as they both were concerned about town cohesion for the elim.

[Freddino18]

If this is true, I would lean freddino towards less scummy[/quote

I don't understand the thinking here as we have heard literal zero from Fred otherwise. And they aren't even using a pfp from Zestiria

I never use a pfp from the franchise in question, and I try to stay away from being on-the-nose. For instance, if I was a flying laser ass pumpkin, I would avoid choosing Jack Skellington with the pumpkin on his head, but I might choose something like Chewbacca.

For me, it's reading my role, alignment, and flavor, and then saying "who does that remind me of?" and then selecting that as a Mood for the game. I love injecting that decision with a bit of mysticism during the games, as it gives me a starting point to engage with other players during the fluff period.

[Freddino18]

Damn, messed up my tags. Heury should not be in the quotes.

[Sabrar]

I'm curious on Mak's and Boomfrog's updated reads, especially as they both were concerned about town cohesion for the elim.

Don't you feel like you should provide your own reads first?

Damn, messed up my tags. Heury should not be in the quotes.

Well, I shouldn't be there either. Who are you replying to exactly?

[Freddino18]

I'm quoting Bubblez and including their quote before the pfp comment