Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D1]

[Makhaira]

deadline is just about 5 hours from now just reposting for visibility https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/6 ... t-6-starts

wam we need you to show up asap

[AdumbroDeus]

Bro, Seven had me as lock town, Fredd had me as locktown (who Seven pointed out has the most accurate reads), Bessie had me as locktown (and didn't have you), Thea thought that mechanically it didn't make sense with me as not town and I was the only one of us that didn't sign on with the stupid ass santy yeet. Come on.

I'm hoping over the course of conversation, one of you will make an obvious mistake. Asking Wam whether he had chrono gardeners in his role pm was a trap for example because he said early in the game that he thought flavor implied multiball.

[AdumbroDeus]

if you dont have the WIM think of it this way, everyone else in the game townread me so if they got snowed and you got snowed literally no one can pin the loss on you, not that Im saying that should be your primary consideration, but its to my point that if Im scum this game I pretty solidly just deserve to win at this point because Ive played my magnum opus game

or Im just fucking town

and when you vote wam and I dont alpha you will very quickly have the answer in front of you and all you have to do is help me see it, if you're town

you literally don't give town!me any more info if you are scum because I already know its between you and wam from my POV. and if you're town you make your endgame lift much easier because from your POV you will have the literal solve

I would rather wait for Wam's reaction to my pointing out issues with his arguments. And if he just votes me and you don't, I have my answer and I can play confidently.

Or one of you make a mistake that reveals you're scum.

[Makhaira]

youre going to waste a lot of valuable time waiting for wam to show up or for me to make a mistake because we havent heard anything from him in this final stretch so far and im not going to make a mistake because I can't slip because Im not scum

this really just feels like a pretense to keep your options open or hope that you can somehow get wam to go for me ugh

[Makhaira]

what mistake are we supposed to make adum when you are literally sitting here telling me you dont have the WIM

we're just going to spontaneously commit an unforced error for no reason? like what exactly are you banking on here

[Makhaira]

I dont think bessie locktowning you and not me carries the weight you think it does

also scum!you could 100% use TMI to dodge being on the santy misyeet to get a little sliver of town equity for yourself in endgame cmon thats not actually anything AI for you

[AdumbroDeus]

youre going to waste a lot of valuable time waiting for wam to show up or for me to make a mistake because we havent heard anything from him in this final stretch so far and im not going to make a mistake because I can't slip because Im not scum

this really just feels like a pretense to keep your options open or hope that you can somehow get wam to go for me ugh

Why?

What would it benefit me to not just confidently go for the obvious choice in this gamestate as scum?


And you'd be surprised how easy it is to make an obvious mistake.

[Makhaira]

youre going to waste a lot of valuable time waiting for wam to show up or for me to make a mistake because we havent heard anything from him in this final stretch so far and im not going to make a mistake because I can't slip because Im not scum

this really just feels like a pretense to keep your options open or hope that you can somehow get wam to go for me ugh

Why?

What would it benefit me to not just confidently go for the obvious choice in this gamestate as scum?


And you'd be surprised how easy it is to make an obvious mistake.

keep me open as an option literally increases your chance of victory from 50/50 to 66.66% on paper if you feel confident in your ability to push either miselim

last sentence is a complete non answer bro come ON

[AdumbroDeus]

I dont think bessie locktowning you and not me carries the weight you think it does

also scum!you could 100% use TMI to dodge being on the santy misyeet to get a little sliver of town equity for yourself in endgame cmon thats not actually anything AI for you

My point is that by your rationale, I should be locktown because I apparently snowed every town player.

Pointing out Santy was a direct response to you pointing out your voting record was better.

What I'm asking is if you're town to look a bit deeper.

[AdumbroDeus]

youre going to waste a lot of valuable time waiting for wam to show up or for me to make a mistake because we havent heard anything from him in this final stretch so far and im not going to make a mistake because I can't slip because Im not scum

this really just feels like a pretense to keep your options open or hope that you can somehow get wam to go for me ugh

Why?

What would it benefit me to not just confidently go for the obvious choice in this gamestate as scum?


And you'd be surprised how easy it is to make an obvious mistake.

keep me open as an option literally increases your chance of victory from 50/50 to 66.66% on paper if you feel confident in your ability to push either miselim

last sentence is a complete non answer bro come ON

Except I'm sacrificing any semblance of town control to do it, which is much more important, in a game with a really obvious victory point. Last game day you agreed with thea that I was probably town due purely to mech even if you didn't like my play. Confidently going after Wam was the scum-adum play period.

No it's not. A lot of the time people make innocuous seeming mistakes that screw up their entire gameplan, that's what I tried to see if wam would do earlier.

[Makhaira]

the consensus townread on you is entirely different in its genesis and in substantial part predicated by mechanical interactions

thats not the leveling of snowing I would have to be pulling off here to get to this point in the game, not even comparable tbh

[Makhaira]

I was 99% sure so didn't ask before but went and doible checked .

Yes if someone had carried out the nk.but not used a power I would have seen them.

why would it matter whether a slot multitasked at night if your watcher power simply returns the role name of anyone that targets your target at night?

[Makhaira]

And why'd you unvote me here? https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79290#p79290

Because of sevens result

And what about after Seven's argument that the cop results cancel each other out and that I am be a godfather?

lol crazy shroop here if you're scum adum

[AdumbroDeus]

the consensus townread on you is entirely different in its genesis and in substantial part predicated by mechanical interactions

thats not the leveling of snowing I would have to be pulling off here to get to this point in the game, not even comparable tbh

Bro, this is a game about mechanical interactions and how people react to them. It wasn't just that those interactions happened, it was that it was incredibly weird for me to play the way I did given that mech, and Seven, thea, and Fredd's reads on me all came after those interactions were thoroughly questioned. Fredd gave my townread the same weight as his madge town read in millerizer.

Do you think that Bessie's cop on you didn't come into play for people's read on you?

[Makhaira]

Catchup

Interesting! You suspect scum!Seven derail an almost guaranteed yeet of the strongest and towniest player in the game just for town cred! Even though if Adum is not eliminated, Adum’s alignment is not confirmed so the town cred Seven is trying for may or may not happen! I think your reasoning is scummy

Do keep in mind that this is a fringe theory rattling in my mind that I myself mostly disregarded in the same post, but yeah, Adum will in all likelyhood be night killed sometime before the game is over, at which point this gambit could pay off big time.

To be frank, I think Adum is a Doctor, and only got targeted by two people. I feel like there's one Mafia between Bessie, Seven, and Wam, and I think that leaving Seven and Bessie in provides the most readable content in the case that I'm wrong on Wam. Mak is a weird slot for me, but I'm inclined to lean town. I'm always wrong about JC, so I hesitate to put him to either side. I do believe that you have a kill, Santy, but your openness reads as either bait as non-vig town or a genuine claim. My thoughts on the rest are jumbled, but I'm inclined to trust Thea on the others.

Can you elaborate on this theory about only two people targeting Adum, because I don't see how that would work. Also, spilled milk but if you suspect someone of being a doctor it's generally a good idea to keep that to yourself.

Also if I'm lying I would begambling no one else visited adum

Or at least that everyone visiting Adum was the cop ore one of the several Jacks of all trade we apparently have.

this is an interesting post because I think it is one of the only ones where somi interacts with both adum and wam hmmmmm

[AdumbroDeus]

Because of sevens result

And what about after Seven's argument that the cop results cancel each other out and that I am be a godfather?

lol crazy shroop here if you're scum adum

I also shrooped my scumbuddy Thea this game!

[Makhaira]

I assume this is based on a hypothesis of one JOAT per faction (town and scum), and you of course consider yourself town?

But there is 3 joats

So there are. Interesting that...

possible moody TMI slip here

[Makhaira]

Do you think that Bessie's cop on you didn't come into play for people's read on you?

wait wtf bessie copped me? how did I miss that?

[AdumbroDeus]

Do you think that Bessie's cop on you didn't come into play for people's read on you?

wait wtf bessie copped me? how did I miss that?

Uh, are you serious bro? Day 4 start post.

Jack of all Trades used Parrot

Jack of all Trades used Doctor

[Makhaira] is [Town]

Jack of all Trades used Role Watcher

Bessie was killed in the night. She was Doc Brown, Compulsive Variable-Reliability Publishing Cop, aligned with Town.

With 7 alive, it is 4 to hammer (not a typo this time either).

It is now Day 4. Night 4 will end in 3 days (https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/6 ... riday-sale) - this is a shorter deadline than normal, but there’s not as many of you, so I’m sure you’ll figure it out.

[AdumbroDeus]

If you didn't get this, why didn't Wam's "somebody has to be a godfather" comment ping you as TMI?

[Makhaira]

ill be real I wrote bessie off completely when she wasn't full claiming when she very objectively should have

but yeah thats on me

but wam saying that isn't TMI I mean both of us would have claimed town results on me, seven said they cleared you N1 as well, so to be fair from his POV one of use would have to be BF assuming there isnt more to cop reliability than was claimed or understood

[Makhaira]

I got very frustrated with her not being forthcoming about her role despite its variable reliability and basically discounted her role's weight substantially throughout the game

[AdumbroDeus]

ill be real I wrote bessie off completely when she wasn't full claiming when she very objectively should have

but yeah thats on me

but wam saying that isn't TMI I mean both of us would have claimed town results on me, seven said they cleared you N1 as well, so to be fair from his POV one of use would have to be BF assuming there isnt more to cop reliability than was claimed or understood

I'm not asking why it isn't TMI. I know it wasn't TMI because I knew that he was the only person who hadn't been copped town.

I'm asking why you, not realizing that Bessie copped you, didn't think that was TMI.

[Makhaira]

I was not aware that wam even said someone must be a godfather until you just brought it up

[AdumbroDeus]

I was not aware that wam even said someone must be a godfather until you just brought it up

Here:

Because someone in the game is a godfather and I need to work out who.