wam, you are a damned magician for surviving D4, but they're going to have you dead to rights D5. At least I will have the satisfaction of watching Fred die (I hope that's who he's going for anyway, one of Fred or Thea). I have no idea where this irrational hatred of Fred comes from , but there it is.
Sabrar wrote:moody: seems to be his usual self. And that's all I can say for now.
moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:03 am
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wam, you are a damned magician for surviving D4, but they're going to have you dead to rights D5. At least I will have the satisfaction of watching Fred die (I hope that's who he's going for anyway, one of Fred or Thea). I have no idea where this irrational hatred of Fred comes from , but there it is.
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I think it's from the same place as mine - his play in Dancers was very frustrating, he messed with a lot of my plans, he made fake claims with no clear benefit (that said, his fake claim is what kept him alive at the end, because i thought i could convince him to vote you off, lol, then once I woke up at the start of the day and saw a vote had been left on me for 12 hours i was like well, there goes my entire plan I agonised about.
I think also it was frustrating that at the end of the game he didn't even meaningfully defend himself, which seems to have been a major factor in you deciding to vote with me.
I like Fred in part because I find his play frustrating at times - it adds spice and a nice dynamic, and I really appreciate that we have players with distinct styles for that reason.
I hate quickhammers with passion specially when there are people still wanting to solve and do stuff and had OPENLY STATED to do it later for fucks sake. Obviously there was a scum voting me , but oh wow my view on the townplay in general seeing those votes is so low.
I feel like I want to say a lot of stuff, and none of them is nice. Really really really hate it
Santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:07 am
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Hey! First time using the Gojoe (I think)
I hate quickhammers with passion specially when there are people still wanting to solve and do stuff and had OPENLY STATED to do it later for fucks sake. Obviously there was a scum voting me , but oh wow my view on the townplay in general seeing those votes is so low.
I feel like I want to say a lot of stuff, and none of them is nice. Really really really hate it
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It's the way the game works!!!!!
Your reward is to go back through all the gojoe posts and see what people were saying....
Scum formed an informal coalition and mak didn't withdraw his vote so...
If wam doesn't shoot Fredd or Thea we're in a kingmaker situation.
Btw, I just want to point out that this makes me right about literally everything, I don't see a better read of this game.
Thanks Mak btw.
Basically scenarios are:
Wam kills fredd and Thea: we win by killing Wam.
Wam kills anyone else: we no execute and threaten to vote with Thea and Fredd if they don't nk Fredd and Thea. We continue in case of no NK. If Fredd and Thea can permablock them, then happily ever after ending.
Fredd and Thea's powers somehow block Wam: we kill Fredd and Thea, then Wam.
If Wam kills a townie, I'm gonna pretend I consider wam and Mak's behavior equivalent so Wam thinks he has a chance in yeet or lose. I suspect that if he doesn't kill Thea and Fredd wam is gonna kill Seven due to him having a Doc remaining. A lot harder to for Wam to think he has a chance in yeet or lose if he kills Mak for some reason though.
If he kills me... Well, ggs. Maybe Seven can work out the same thing and propose a nearly identical plan. I think she was close last game day, but I'm worried she'll just assume they're mafia.
I have a post planned for it laying out in detail why it's best for Wam to try to win in yeet or lose based on the most likely scenario if a townie dies (seven death). It explains why the indies and Mafia can't work together from both ends, so no just working together to yeet like toDay.
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Hey! First time using the Gojoe (I think)
I hate quickhammers with passion specially when there are people still wanting to solve and do stuff and had OPENLY STATED to do it later for fucks sake. Obviously there was a scum voting me , but oh wow my view on the townplay in general seeing those votes is so low.
I feel like I want to say a lot of stuff, and none of them is nice. Really really really hate it
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It's the way the game works!!!!!
Your reward is to go back through all the gojoe posts and see what people were saying....
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No, it shouldn't be.
Its a result of like, fundamentally very very poor village play. Unless the majority of the wagon is scum, which I dont think it is. And if it is then it would be a very scum-sided game.
Specially the aspect of town instead of working together hurrying up and sushing a voice and teammate that wanted to actually solve. It is very frustrating.
From what I've read from Gojoe it seems that Wam was in fact scum, so little peace I have that I wasnt so off this game lol. After the somi yeet I had the two scum left in the bottom 2 then .
But overall Im just super peeved by this treatment. Its something that will take a while to forgive personally grumble grumble
moody7277 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:03 am
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wam, you are a damned magician for surviving D4, but they're going to have you dead to rights D5. At least I will have the satisfaction of watching Fred die (I hope that's who he's going for anyway, one of Fred or Thea). I have no idea where this irrational hatred of Fred comes from , but there it is.
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Wam has been posting thoughts in the chat discord, so I know Seven's gonna be the nigh kill because he wants to keep the uncertainty about Thea and Fredd possibly being lovers and push for a no elim. I have no idea how D5 is gonna go down, but I'm getting some pop corn
Really hoping it isn't Mak, hopefully we can beguile him into shooting Wam. I do not see us living D6
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ohhhh i thought this was going ot be a boring pagoning once somi left but no, it's got FIRE!!!!!!!!
how do people (@Sabrar, Spectators) feel about me putting in a heavy chrono-gardener themed post for the next daystart? there are no chrono gardeners but it feels bad narratively to ignore them so, and i do want to sow paranoia.
the problem is, it would turn town against Frethea because I *do* have a habit of making flavour meaningful... except when it isn't
I believe as a general rule that if flavor is meant to be significant then it needs to be announced in advance. Otherwise flavor should be exactly as its name suggests, something that can be enjoyed by those who are familiar with it but otherwise completely unnecessary for the purposes of the game itself.
In this specific case we didn't make any promises regarding flavor. It is the players' fault if they read more into it, however I wouldn't play with that perception deliberately as I would consider that a mod-intervention, however weak it might be.
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I believe as a general rule that if flavor is meant to be significant then it needs to be announced in advance. Otherwise flavor should be exactly as its name suggests, something that can be enjoyed by those who are familiar with it but otherwise completely unnecessary for the purposes of the game itself.
In this specific case we didn't make any promises regarding flavor. It is the players' fault if they read more into it, however I wouldn't play with that perception deliberately as I would consider that a mod-intervention, however weak it might be.
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yeah, i think i wouldn't want to make the players feel angry/betrayed. i'll stick to what i know.
then next year people can point to this thread as saying explicitly that i didn't make any promises, but then of course point to the resurrection mafia where i said i made the flavour reflect whether town was up or down t hat cycle
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ohhhh i thought this was going ot be a boring pagoning once somi left but no, it's got FIRE!!!!!!!!
how do people (@Sabrar, Spectators) feel about me putting in a heavy chrono-gardener themed post for the next daystart? there are no chrono gardeners but it feels bad narratively to ignore them so, and i do want to sow paranoia.
the problem is, it would turn town against Frethea because I *do* have a habit of making flavour meaningful... except when it isn't
traveltime
I'm on the edge of my seat, I personally expected the game to wrap quickly after the moody elim. Nope, somehow the game got to MELO and it could go either way.
Madge, you'll have to ban me from the scum chat so I don't go in there screaming "ALPHA STRIKE GO GO GO!!" the instant I see a vote from Fred
Adum's going to feel REAL stupid when he loses himself the game
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madge wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 1:03 pm
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ohhhh i thought this was going ot be a boring pagoning once somi left but no, it's got FIRE!!!!!!!!
how do people (@Sabrar, Spectators) feel about me putting in a heavy chrono-gardener themed post for the next daystart? there are no chrono gardeners but it feels bad narratively to ignore them so, and i do want to sow paranoia.
the problem is, it would turn town against Frethea because I *do* have a habit of making flavour meaningful... except when it isn't
traveltime
I'm on the edge of my seat, I personally expected the game to wrap quickly after the moody elim. Nope, somehow the game got to MELO and it could go either way.
Madge, you'll have to ban me from the scum chat so I don't go in there screaming "ALPHA STRIKE GO GO GO!!" the instant I see a vote from Fred
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You'll have to ban me too because I have the same impulse
I was worried Sabrar would get mad at me for posting a "good luck" for him
Town hasn't won a game on here for a while and I was suspecting it was for balance reasons but this game was heavily townsided and they still look ready to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...
Wam seeming to more follow along now instead of leaning towards me anyone makes me more confident both that he's mafia and my arguments had an effect. I'm reasonably confident he'll hit Fredd or Thea toNight if things go this way now. It's pretty obvious to me that Thea is trying to convince us that Wam is the last scum so he doesn't think he has a shot in yeet or lose but I can't vocalize that and I don't wanna aggravate mak too much by being too assertive about his scum possibility. (Also cause he's trying to make arguments for the possibility of there not being three mafia, which is extremely clear from the flavor).
I respect the hustle, really. I think he fucked up by being too greedy but the subtle way he's playing to define whether Wam believes yeet or lose is winnable is well done. I just hope I can do better.
I REALLY hope Mak also realizes that making Wam think he's doomed in yeet or lose will make us lose.
I also will feel bad if Thea and Fredd are town compatible and just don't feel like they can risk claiming. Yes, I'm practically inviting them to do it now.
I'll feel dumb if they're actually masons, but the combination of Fredd's Doom and gloom combined with Thea poking the bear in addition to everything else makes me think it's unlikely, in addition to all the prior issues with their play.
All this about the Gardeners actually made me reread something and that's kinda disgusting
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Wam in chat wrote:At this point I have no idea where this is going to end up
Me neither man, but it looks like you still have a shot and that's kinda amazing
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I am FLOORED, I am so glad the "horribly balanced in favour of town" setup seems to somehow not have ended in you all getting yeeted in quick succession
also what is with people thinking my implying there's an inventor in adumb's role is shady? like, i didn't want to imply there WASN'T an inventor, and wanted to be clear from a flavour point of view there was two of him and that's why he got the abilities
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So, let's see what happens. I think I successfully manipulated him into a state where he thinks I don't know he's the last mafia but, honestly I thought Thea played scum pretty poorly before toDay because their claim made them locktown and they only brought suspicion on themselves by him being greedy, but genuinely I think he played trying to manipulate Wam really well and genuinely he had some great oration.
He knew the difficult position I was in and exploited it. I was gonna be mad if he managed to take it away but I won't be anymore. I will be mad at the setup though, true either way tbh. Wam on the other hand, sorry dude, you don't deserve it and I'll be so mad if you have some BS that allows Wam to pull it out.
If I'm wrong about Thea/Fredd, on one hand what he did with Santy feels like an awful move from a pro-town perspective but on the other hand it's ultimately town's responsibility to read people properly and I'll need to adjust my calculus for the future but honestly the fact I'm even considering it after they claimed lifelinked speaks to Thea's oration skill because the only reason I figured it out was because of how scummy he was playing.
I wonder what the optimal play is here? I think if I was wam and had all the knowledge I do now (i.e. omniscience), I'd kill Mak. I think Adumb and Thea are so opposed to each other that it'd be an easier sell.
We got to 3 player LYLO with two confirmed townies. Hard to ask for a more favorable endgame. Doesn't mean Town can't screw it up on paranoia, but I think Mak will get it right.
My instinct is Wam, mechanically Wam seems like the only option because by his own admission he's the only one that could've delivered the kill on me unless there's a ninja, which wam is the most logical candidate cause everyone has proven roles, he's claiming that the kill from Mak if there's a strongman. I FEEL like that was an overture to try to figure out if I was on him and set up a thunder dome if so. Seven says it's their scum meta, my observations about their play beforehand still hold.
And yet... My misread on Thea is making me question everything about how I'm thinking about the game. I mean I'm hoping it's just time to update my Thea model, or maybe it's specific to how he'd play lovers but it's making me really lack confidence.
Plus, he is right, Mak's framing rubs me the wrong way as does highlighting Seven's read of him earlier.
I think I need to start with a full night sleep than a proper reread. Work's been busy and I had to wake up early for a union meeting so I'm tired.
Honestly I kind of think I'd prefer that the scum voted on me and I could just play defense in the thunderdome. I have a town POV for everything I've done, even if it's a mite manipulative.
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