Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[Seven]

Votals:
moody - 3 - Thea, Fred, Makhaira
Makhaira - 2 - moody, bessie
wam - 2 - Santygrass, Seven

Not voting: wam, Adum

9 players alive and 6 to hammer

[Freddino18]

To bessie: not scum, but trying to block a cop result on oneself is grounds for an instant ejection.

To Seven: We need that slot for the night phase

[AdumbroDeus]

I am once more asking for people to explain what a Mafia supporter is.

It is a player aligned with mafia but can't communicate with the rest of the mafia. There's different variants... sometimes they are recruitable if they are targeted with a NK. Usually they know who the mafia is but not vice versa.

So I was right before when I said it's something like a traitor, thanks.

[Seven]

@Theadino trust me

[Freddino18]

Iunno

[AdumbroDeus]

I'm ambivalent, I think there's value in the actions being public because they may reveal other things, but given the points about possible manipulative roles are well taken, which means planning actions for Wam might just be a fool's errand.

Wam should die toDay or ToMorrow, one way or another though.

Vote: Wam

That's 3-3, people should consolidate on one or the other.

[moody7277]

@Moody were you notified of it, or you only learned of it because of the loudness?

No, I was told at dawn by the mod that my use fizzled.

[Makhaira]

Why are we swinging back to the slot that was competing with our red flip for elim yesterday I dont understand how wam is more likely to be scum than moody or bessie like at all

[Freddino18]

fuck if I know

[Santygrass]

Why are we swinging back to the slot that was competing with our red flip for elim yesterday I dont understand how wam is more likely to be scum than moody or bessie like at all

Wam was a wagon way before somi formed tbf .

Bessie is just town imo , moody was roleblocked when there was a kill in the night (and I dont particularly scumread them, which I do with Wam. And scum!wam can be more disruptive than scum!moody with current info we have )

But all be said my prefered yeet are Wam>moody>>>>>>>>>>>anyone else

[Santygrass]

Town

Somi - lean town
Generally a gut read but feels involved

Jc - lean town
I'm seeing more effort to.solve from Jc this game.

I have been thinking.

Brain is like

Not thea or.fres till we get more details
Not JC too town.

I could.move to bessie or seven.

But I'm still convinced in my worst read.

No mention of somi in EoD when talking about possible yeets . (I do think this post is potentially pairing)

Some meta for those that don’t know me well. I HATE EARLY CLAIMS!

I’m having a hard time convincing myself to move my vote off someone who’s not actually contributing and doesn’t care enough about the game to vote.

My next scummiest reads are somi and Seven and I don’t think either is happening.

We have 3 minutes sell.me.on somi?

These are all the mentions / interactions between Wam and Somi D1 , from Wam's part. Feels like somi is a slot that is there but the level of thought/analysis Wam is giving them is minimal compared to other slots? Not damning ofc I can admit my own bias going into this read but overall D1 is more partnery approach rather than not.

Will look into D2 now

[Santygrass]

So have started this post and got distracted multiple.times this afternoon so apologies for any mistakes.

So I think we can POE this out

Town core
Adum
Seven
Fred
Thea

Possible elim targets
Bessie
JC
Makhaira
Moody
Santygrass
Somi
Wam

Within the above I have the following reads

Town
JC - I haven't changed my day 1 read of this is the .most town JC has looked.

Mak - this feels Town Mak but I'm a little bit questioning of them still being stuck on adum

Santy - got a town lean but will admit based on the 1 game this could be within santys scum range.

Moody - a null read on moody I haven't seen much to sway me.either way. Waiting to see what his promised deep look shows

Somi - feels a bit off needs a re read.

Bessie - I said end of day 1 I felt bessie c Seven was TvS been back through and still think it is.

Scum

Post by post.bessie.anslysis hidden as it's long.

Spoiler (Show/Hide)

Full bessie re read

Post 1 fluff

Post 2 first content
All around confirmation posts - null

Post 3

Responses to questions nothing swinign my view either way - null

Post 4
Off topic

Post 5
Mostly off topic with a push on Fred.

Post 6 first Post that is classic bessie to me. This give me.townie points on re read. Especially as there was lots of complements/interaction that seems townie.with the worts
Link for.referenece (mainly incase I'm screwing up.the numbering.) https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78893#p78893

Post 7
Town scum list

Post 8 defends thea

Post 9 this is an odd one, bessie doing gut reads is not something that fits my meta picture of bessie, that maybe a me.issue.though. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78903#p78903

Post 10
Mainly responses

Post 11
Voted Fred

Post 12
Interesting moody read response to.othets. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78976#p78976

I like the moody read. Means bessie and moody are unlikely to be paired.

Post13 says madge doesn't like daychat. Based on the masons comment later, township or.double.bluff?

Post 14
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78997#p78997
Illustrates what were genuine reads. I like the thought process here.

Post 15
Pushes seven for their.bessie vote

Post 16
Asking adum.for.whats missing

Post 17
Suggests indie survivor lovers

Post 18
Responds to.the scum slip. Not happy about suggestion it's outside bessies scum range agree with her there is within bessies range.

Post 19
Still pushing on Fred despite the claim think this is.where.my suspicious start. Elimming day 1 because of the below feels wrong to me.

I'll unvote if everyone wants it, but TBH, I don't think Fred is the worst elimination. He's contributed nothing, and if he flips Mason he conforms Thea.

Post 20
Doesn't want to elim thr worst, makes sense given earlier posts but could be tmi. Says Fred should vote

Post 21
Pushes seven or.somi but doesn't think either will happen. Which is odd. I have known bessie tunnel.and be the one voice on her beliefs many times when town.

Post 22
Seven read for vibes but not pushing due to outside issues which is how I w9uld expect bessie to be irrespective of alignment.

Post 23
Bessie doesn't think or Post fast, agree.

End day 1

Post 24

The worst has been voted out. They were Dr Louise Banks, Traffic Analyst, aligned with Town.

bessie and ducky.png


Ok. Everyone sucks except me.


FOS everyone that voted for the worst.


FOS Fred for all the reasons I have previously stated.


FOS Thea for popping in to save Fred, but not returning to confirm that you have mod verified information that he is town.


I have nothing that I feel like claiming at this time.

This is a weird start to day 2. Very aggressive push.

Post 25
Lots of responses

Nothing particular stood out either way. Came across normal bessie

Post 26
Pushes Fred again
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79378#p79378

Claims.for seven

Post 27
Responses, Pushes me for this post which is fair

Post 28
Pushes again and general responses
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79575#p79575

0ost 29
I like the pushing on somi.

Post 30
Clarification

Post 31
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=79690#p79690
General responses, town scum.list and a vote for me. Think bessie has reasons fo4.scum reading me but comes across a bit omgus

Post 32

Oh hey, ninja. The reason Thea and I aren't discussing reads as much is because we're trying to figure out how to use our night abilities. To that end, one night knowing that we don't need to account for a vig helps narrow the pool. We're currently looking at Wam and JC as elimination candidates, but I'll let Thea explain that. I also have a light hunch that Bessie aligns with Moody, but nothing substantial.

I will just throw this out there, but this doesn’t sound like the Thea that I know. The Thea I know plays the game and scumhunts.

I 100% agree with bessie here.

Thoughts

Bessie has been more.on the consensus than I would usually imagine, initially focusing on Fred.

Bessie not paired with moody, somi, thea or Fred.

Bessie rarely mentions JC potential buddy.

Bessie Post 1-18(ish) reasonably townie but I don't like the EOD posts as detailed above. Feels.townie again day 2.

Questions for bessie

1) do you still feel.we.shpuld have elimed Fred day 1?
2) given the late claim and end of day bits who should we have swung too if you controlled all the votes?

Oh for f#%& I'm now doubting my read
unvote

Maybe just elim me, would rather go now than at lylo.

Now.reading to see.if there are any other outstanding questions I have missed.

It's a game of mafia nothing is ever certain!

This feels like open wolfing taunting tbh.

I understand why. But its me going back to this

Maybe just elim me, would rather go now than at lylo.

And getting fatalistic

Here just lightly highliting Wam progress onto D2. At first is them just moving somi down to the bottom saying they need to reread them. Bessie was at bottom and main sus.
After reread of bessie and unvoting them, they get fatalistic about their wagon. I just think that was Scum!Wam feeling thread still. They looked like a sure elim at that point, the vote on somi could see it as an attempt to spew their partner . Looking more into how were wagons at the moment is more complicated with the ISO system skill issue

[Santygrass]

I will self pres vote if needed but of all the POE JC is my top town read.

I'm thinking outside my towncore.and yes paired scum/indies is possible for thea and Fred but think we can solve that later in game and I think it's unlikely.

Town

JC - most town jc has ever looked I find it weird that's who thea has gone for
Moody - think thier reactions to the claim stuff show a desire to solve.
Mak - feels Town but within scum range
Bessie - see previous post
Santy - I think they are lying about having a vig shot to give them cover being caught shooting someone later. See previous post about how they didn't flag back to adum with a vig shot its not mathematically optimal to no elim.
Somi - interactions with claim are weird.

Scum

Vote somi

This is where they vote for somi

unofficiall Votals:
Wam - 5 - Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody, somi
JC - 5 - Thea, Fred, Seven, wam, makhira
Santy - 1 - jc


11 players alive and still 7 to hammer

And this later when they have to self pres and switch to jc

unvote

Vote somi

Here they go back to somi (kinda still is self pressing because they never stopped being lead wagon)

unofficial Votals:
Wam - 5 - Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody, somi
JC - 1 - Fred,
somi - 4 - Thea, Seven, wam, makhira
Santy - 1 - JC

11 players alive and 7 to hammer

And the somi bit?

Same time.

unvote

Vote seven


Pulling this whilst bessie is at work and unable to confirm or deny screams power wolfing seven

unvote

Vote seven


Pulling this whilst bessie is at work and unable to confirm or deny screams power wolfing seven

We have 30 minutes till deadline. Seven is never happening.

Not with that attitude. Will move as needed

Something unbiased please look at this and tell me if this read feels genuine or is maybe just an excuse to unvote / try to make something else happen. Could see this happening in w/w wagons :curtain:

[Santygrass]

Votals:
Bessie - 1 - Makhaira
Wam - 3 - Seven, Bessie, Santygrass
JC - 2 - Thea, Fred
Somi - 1 - Wam

Not voting: Moody, Somi, Adum

This where the votals for when Wam voted somi for the first time. They were previously on bessie, and the shallowness of their read there was one of the main reason why they were voted, on reread they unvoted so wasnt going back there. JC was their town.
Adum was stating to vote for them (which they did).

So the empty vote by PoE and in a situation in which they felt cornered dont think is unpairing for somi+Wam pair

[Theallieza]

Why are we swinging back to the slot that was competing with our red flip for elim yesterday I dont understand how wam is more likely to be scum than moody or bessie like at all

I don't get it either. Somi and Wam are very unlikely scum together (and Wam honestly has been kinda townie anyway? Like I don't even get the case on him).

But I'm suspicious of both Adum and Santy anyway so I'm skeptical of their preferred yeet.

[Seven]

Bessie can you explain the cycling of your role in full? I’m having issues with a couple of things you’ve claimed. Namely the compulsive element and the resolving before the night kill element. Those sound sort of made up? I have a hard time seeing either Madge or Sabrar making anything compulsive. I’d be happy to be shown wrong though. Is there an example of them using compulsive before?

Resolving before the night kill would be such a strange deviation from NAR. It’s also strange that you claimed that aspect. Keeping it secret would have allowed you to use your sane action tonight without scum knowing they would have to roleblock you.

I think it might be best to vote you for that reason alone, even putting the weirdness of the role aside.

[Theallieza]

I will self pres vote if needed but of all the POE JC is my top town read.

I'm thinking outside my towncore.and yes paired scum/indies is possible for thea and Fred but think we can solve that later in game and I think it's unlikely.

Town

JC - most town jc has ever looked I find it weird that's who thea has gone for
Moody - think thier reactions to the claim stuff show a desire to solve.
Mak - feels Town but within scum range
Bessie - see previous post
Santy - I think they are lying about having a vig shot to give them cover being caught shooting someone later. See previous post about how they didn't flag back to adum with a vig shot its not mathematically optimal to no elim.
Somi - interactions with claim are weird.

Scum

Vote somi

This is where they vote for somi

unofficiall Votals:
Wam - 5 - Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody, somi
JC - 5 - Thea, Fred, Seven, wam, makhira
Santy - 1 - jc


11 players alive and still 7 to hammer

And this later when they have to self pres and switch to jc

unvote

Vote somi

Here they go back to somi (kinda still is self pressing because they never stopped being lead wagon)

unofficial Votals:
Wam - 5 - Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody, somi
JC - 1 - Fred,
somi - 4 - Thea, Seven, wam, makhira
Santy - 1 - JC

11 players alive and 7 to hammer

Same time.

unvote

Vote seven


Pulling this whilst bessie is at work and unable to confirm or deny screams power wolfing seven

We have 30 minutes till deadline. Seven is never happening.

Not with that attitude. Will move as needed

Something unbiased please look at this and tell me if this read feels genuine or is maybe just an excuse to unvote / try to make something else happen. Could see this happening in w/w wagons :curtain:

I feel like scum!Wam jumping on vanity wagons against his partner and Seven over a legit counter wagon on a town slot is kinda unlikely? I think scum!Wam would have found an excuse to reluctant vote JC.

[Theallieza]

Bessie can you explain the cycling of your role in full? I’m having issues with a couple of things you’ve claimed. Namely the compulsive element and the resolving before the night kill element. Those sound sort of made up? I have a hard time seeing either Madge or Sabrar making anything compulsive. I’d be happy to be shown wrong though. Is there an example of them using compulsive before?

Resolving before the night kill would be such a strange deviation from NAR. It’s also strange that you claimed that aspect. Keeping it secret would have allowed you to use your sane action tonight without scum knowing they would have to roleblock you.

I think it might be best to vote you for that reason alone, even putting the weirdness of the role aside.

Oooooohhhh... Good catch!

That's very interesting.

[AdumbroDeus]

Bessie can you explain the cycling of your role in full? I’m having issues with a couple of things you’ve claimed. Namely the compulsive element and the resolving before the night kill element. Those sound sort of made up? I have a hard time seeing either Madge or Sabrar making anything compulsive. I’d be happy to be shown wrong though. Is there an example of them using compulsive before?

Resolving before the night kill would be such a strange deviation from NAR. It’s also strange that you claimed that aspect. Keeping it secret would have allowed you to use your sane action tonight without scum knowing they would have to roleblock you.

I think it might be best to vote you for that reason alone, even putting the weirdness of the role aside.

Bessie just said she's unlikely to be back before the yeet.

I'm interested in Bessie's answers but because I have my own thoughts on why, and her other play, I don't want to yeet her without an answer.

[Freddino18]

Bessie can you explain the cycling of your role in full? I’m having issues with a couple of things you’ve claimed. Namely the compulsive element and the resolving before the night kill element. Those sound sort of made up? I have a hard time seeing either Madge or Sabrar making anything compulsive. I’d be happy to be shown wrong though. Is there an example of them using compulsive before?

Resolving before the night kill would be such a strange deviation from NAR. It’s also strange that you claimed that aspect. Keeping it secret would have allowed you to use your sane action tonight without scum knowing they would have to roleblock you.

I think it might be best to vote you for that reason alone, even putting the weirdness of the role aside.

Bessie just said she's unlikely to be back before the yeet.

I'm interested in Bessie's answers but because I have my own thoughts on why, and her other play, I don't want to yeet her without an answer.

Where was this said?

[AdumbroDeus]

Bessie can you explain the cycling of your role in full? I’m having issues with a couple of things you’ve claimed. Namely the compulsive element and the resolving before the night kill element. Those sound sort of made up? I have a hard time seeing either Madge or Sabrar making anything compulsive. I’d be happy to be shown wrong though. Is there an example of them using compulsive before?

Resolving before the night kill would be such a strange deviation from NAR. It’s also strange that you claimed that aspect. Keeping it secret would have allowed you to use your sane action tonight without scum knowing they would have to roleblock you.

I think it might be best to vote you for that reason alone, even putting the weirdness of the role aside.

Bessie just said she's unlikely to be back before the yeet.

I'm interested in Bessie's answers but because I have my own thoughts on why, and her other play, I don't want to yeet her without an answer.

Where was this said?

Here:

Sorry for not getting much rereading done but we're having a heck of a time with Hoku and we can't get him to take his pills. We tried forcing them down his throat and he still managed to spit them up.
I will try to check in a couple of hours before deadline but I'm not sure I will be available at deadline, which is the exact time my husband's band hits the stage and it's a larger venue so I don't know if I'll have a corner in which to hide and post.

[AdumbroDeus]

Oops, I'm a dumbass. I read the venue issues as related to checking a few hours before deadline but it was for getting on at deadline.

So hopefully she does get on a few hours before.

Also @Bessie you should probably drop your vote on either moody or Wam

[AdumbroDeus]

Speaking of which, deadline is in a bit more than 6 and a half hours. I'm heading to shul now and won't be available between about 4:20 and 5:30. Possibly longer, but I will be back before deadline.

[AdumbroDeus]

Excuse me, I can't math, deadline is in about 5 and a half hours.

[Wam]

There is about 1 hour of day I will be awake for if any one has any more questions for me.