Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D3]

[moody7277]

I figure Mak's stance at the opening of D2 was because he saw Adum as non-town in the published(?) results and figured we had an easy yeet. His role as loudener(?) made it so everyone saw it instead of the PR who used the power.

1)The PR still sees the results, as has been established.

2) If you scum read Mak for pushing Adum, why do you hypothesize that I am scum for stopping the elimination? Is it your view that whether a person defended or pushed Adum, it would make them scum in either case?

3) Why do you not believe it is feasible that town!Mak saw a no kill and not-town result and wanted to elim Adum before scum could suss out PR info?

Of course bessie can distance, it would be an insult to her prowess to say otherwise. She was likely doing that in Dancers with Madge to the extent their joint meta allows. The difference between distancing and bussing would seem to be a tactical vs philosophical line for her.

4) So then why are you town reading bessie for her not bussing? She didn't vote Somi here.

5) Are you paying less attention to this game than usual. And if so why?

1. If it's not in the thread, the PR would have to choose whether to claim the results or not.
2. What makes you think I am scum reading you? In that last T>S list, I have you as neutral because I have no chirping clue how to read you. I could just default to you as town all the time and be right ~75% of the time, but that 25% is a low-risk, high-impact scenario.
3. Your point is that town!Mak would want to speedelim Adum so as not to let scum have a chance to discuss the results? That is getting into deeper tactical waters than I usually consider (i.e. the speedelim of Santy in Dancers).
4. JC also wasn't voting somi end of D2, and it would seem by your point that I should be scumreading everyone bessie didn't vote for. Also, bessie has a history with not voting somi D1, don't know for sure if that privilege extends to D2.
5. I have off days and on days. If you feel like I'm phoning it in, vote for me. Oh wait, you are.

[Seven]

I figure Mak's stance at the opening of D2 was because he saw Adum as non-town in the published(?) results and figured we had an easy yeet. His role as loudener(?) made it so everyone saw it instead of the PR who used the power.

1)The PR still sees the results, as has been established.

2) If you scum read Mak for pushing Adum, why do you hypothesize that I am scum for stopping the elimination? Is it your view that whether a person defended or pushed Adum, it would make them scum in either case?

3) Why do you not believe it is feasible that town!Mak saw a no kill and not-town result and wanted to elim Adum before scum could suss out PR info?

Of course bessie can distance, it would be an insult to her prowess to say otherwise. She was likely doing that in Dancers with Madge to the extent their joint meta allows. The difference between distancing and bussing would seem to be a tactical vs philosophical line for her.

4) So then why are you town reading bessie for her not bussing? She didn't vote Somi here.

5) Are you paying less attention to this game than usual. And if so why?

1. If it's not in the thread, the PR would have to choose whether to claim the results or not.
2. What makes you think I am scum reading you? In that last T>S list, I have you as neutral because I have no chirping clue how to read you. I could just default to you as town all the time and be right ~75% of the time, but that 25% is a low-risk, high-impact scenario.
3. Your point is that town!Mak would want to speedelim Adum so as not to let scum have a chance to discuss the results? That is getting into deeper tactical waters than I usually consider (i.e. the speedelim of Santy in Dancers).
4. JC also wasn't voting somi end of D2, and it would seem by your point that I should be scumreading everyone bessie didn't vote for. Also, bessie has a history with not voting somi D1, don't know for sure if that privilege extends to D2.
5. I have off days and on days. If you feel like I'm phoning it in, vote for me. Oh wait, you are.

2. I'm asking about this:

Alternate sanities for a cop would also be supported by the presence of masons acting as a miller for the chat finder, who might otherwise assume anyone with chat=scum.

Going to assume Adum, Fred, and Thea are town for the purposes of doing the player post-by-posts.

Do you think Seven reveals Adum as green if scum ?

I think, as Seven pointed out, we were also figuring that Adum was the protected NK (maybe 80% likelyhood or so) which would have led to us thinking of Adum as green so that scum!Seven would see no cost to confirming that given after the initial burst SoD we're not likely to elim Adum

4. I'm referring to this:

Did bessie have a meta of not bussing?

Friend, me ignoring that is what won you guys Dancers. If this is the main point in you decoupling Bessie from somi, then I can agree with it; was already grading her at a +1.5 or so anyway.

Why do you agree that it decouples bessie from somi if bessie hasn't voted Somi in this game?

5. I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. You seem to be less involved this game, not just today specifically. For example, you haven't done another post-by-post analysis, you haven't considered Mak's reason for why he went guns ablaze on Adum, and you haven't done a post-by-post of me at all. I didn't have many posts when you did them.

[AdumbroDeus]

3) publishing cop is the role, madge thought it's a separate role in the wiki but it's not as far as I can see.

This seems wrong to me. Like, Madge discussing a role or giving out this information to the person that doesn’t have the role. It seems like a breach of Mod duty that I wouldn’t expect her to make. And I know Sabrar wouldn’t.

I disagree on whether it's a breach of mod duty, but you may be onto something that given their stringent anti-hypothetical stance it MAY be inconsistent and suggest he's lying. I genuinely don't know to what end at this point but worth checking out.

Adum will you quit talking about being yeeted? I have a town result on you so I can’t let that happen.

But don't you know I'm a Godfather/ninja/cyborg/half-angel/half-demon/dragonkin!

But, I have stopped, I don't see it happening but with Mak and Seven's clarifications, I don't think there's anything useful to exchange for it anyway. And I can't make it happen anyway it seems.

Question, what's your sanity gonna be this night phase? N3 I mean.

See above. Hmm, we’ll see what excuse Wam can come up with for roleblocking me.

Appreciated.

Bessie, I think you cop either Wam or Adum tonight. The first is useful for determining multiball, and the second is just flat-out hilarious.

I don’t think it would be that funny. But copping Wam might be interesting for you and I, and for Thea. Because if wam is scum, that would call his town result of Thea into question.

It would be a terrible idea, but honestly it would be hilarious.

Pre-post edit, my mod-confirmed role is "Publishing Cop".

Ok seriously?

*Adds post-game gripes list*


Unrelated, but would you mind looking over my exchange with Thea?

[AdumbroDeus]

I meant to add a ping to seven in the above post but eh.

I asked you about this before, but to reiterate, Wam claims that they got an answer that "publishing cop" is the rolename. Could you verify that you can also get the same information?

[Seven]

I meant to add a ping to seven in the above post but eh.

I asked you about this before, but to reiterate, Wam claims that they got an answer that "publishing cop" is the rolename. Could you verify that you can also get the same information?

I already asked the mods 4 questions and I’m too shy to ask a 5th.

[AdumbroDeus]

I meant to add a ping to seven in the above post but eh.

I asked you about this before, but to reiterate, Wam claims that they got an answer that "publishing cop" is the rolename. Could you verify that you can also get the same information?

I already asked the mods 4 questions and I’m too shy to ask a 5th.

Puweeeaaaase?

*Pleading sparkly eyes*

[Freddino18]

But don't you know I'm a Godfather/ninja/cyborg/half-angel/half-demon/dragonkin!

Laser-ass pumpkin*

[moody7277]

2. I was only going with the premise of Santy's question to answer that, it was not a reflection of any actual contemporaneous or current read on you. With your posting volume in other games, I've come to the impression that my usual method for developing a read on you would be very difficult, regardless of your actual volume in this game.

4. So from the Bessie anti-bussing policy, we get the statement "if Bessie votes for someone, then they are not aligned". You are wondering about the inverse of that, "if Bessie does not vote for someone, then they are aligned", which does not necessarily have the same truth value as the original statement, but can. It could be that she only warranted a +1 based on the other parts of a read on her, but I still don't think she's votable.

5. Some games I can sink my teeth into better than others (I haven't done any Gojoe posts); that I'm not this game is likely a gross disservice to Madge.

[Wam]

Going to try and answer the questions. Watch me truly f up all the quote tags.

What I was fishing for and you didn't say is you held of claiming because you knew someone else had a result on adum. But given you knew your sanitites and therefore knew you weren't going to get a good result n2. A few posts later you knew how it was going down in thread I'm surprised you weren't closer to claiming to save adum.

1. I did know someone else had a result on Adum, it was in the Day Start post. For what exactly were you fishing? How is this proof that my non-claim was scummy?
2. I made my D2 start post Wednesday 10:15 (toward the bottom of page 20) my time and went to bed. I don’t play at work, so my next post was Thursday 5:45 pm (middle of page 27). Which was also earlier than usual for me on a work day because I left early because we had a fire. By the time I got home, the fire in the thread had already calmed down and I didn’t need to claim to save Adum. And I probably would have claimed because of Adum’s distress which I felt very bad about. See here:

Get fucking hospitalized and this is the bullshit I return to

I am very sorry, Adum. How are you feeling?

Note that one of the contributing reasons for picking Adum is that I thought people would question the result more, and I thought Adum would handle it differently (though I’m sure the hospital visit was a factor).

I was trying to understand your thought process with the result.

Understand on the timings and it is annoying because it does make our interactions harder!

vote bessie

Don't think her use of powers is townie, she's in my POE pool.

How so? I think I used my powers exceptionally well.

Why would you assume you were a likely NK target? Adum would not have been my target N1 but I cam see the logic. N2 I would have gone elsewhere to put pressure and judge reactions.

My experience is bessie claims when needed and thinks it through I saw no evidence of that it was her thinking strategically it was just thrown back at me as questions.

What? Where??

.

Here
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=80801#p80801

Quoting nothing to ping you @wam

Please list all of your remaining powers and your proposal for how they will be used tonight and rationale for your picks

Also please inform us if my motivating allows you to use any given power you have twice, or if you can only use it to do two separate powers from those available to you on the same night

Plan at bottom of post to be clear.

You cant be a liability in yeet or lose as long as you are always trying to solve and push for our win if town.

You are a liability if you selfvote and makes us waste a valuable yeet on yourself just as an attempt for your read to be more valued

No Mak is right. Town has lost a lot due to the wrong people getting to yeet or lose. And I don't think I am the right person.

If my rationale is ignored it's kind of hard to help solve. I literally just caught Thea lying about my claims then lying about why I had an issue with it and saying I was "upset". This is the same type of subtle manipulations that pinged me last Halloween, but I didn't take it seriously enough.

So far, one person has commented on it and nobody has taken it seriously.

There's no reasonable chance of it happening right now, and I think I may have read game state the wrong way for it anyway, but I think you're wrong on the value of making a sacrifice play.

I ignored as I don't see how thea lied. They took what you had said made assumptions and you made a mountain out a molehill. Both you and Seven have been doing 2+2 and getting a squillion all game.

3) publishing cop is the role, madge thought it's a separate role in the wiki but it's not as far as I can see.

This seems wrong to me. Like, Madge discussing a role or giving out this information to the person that doesn’t have the role. It seems like a breach of Mod duty that I wouldn’t expect her to make. And I know Sabrar wouldn’t.

I disagree on whether it's a breach of mod duty, but you may be onto something that given their stringent anti-hypothetical stance it MAY be inconsistent and suggest he's lying. I genuinely don't know to what end at this point but worth checking out.

Or the mods were pissed about the ridiculous angle shooting going on and actually answered my question.

I meant to add a ping to seven in the above post but eh.

I asked you about this before, but to reiterate, Wam claims that they got an answer that "publishing cop" is the rolename. Could you verify that you can also get the same information?

Seven clearly asked this question within 30 minutes of my claim and is stringing out the answers.

Think that's all my responses.

Right plan.

Roleblock bessie, parrot santy. Easy peasy.

On a serious note.

What we want to do is keep the town core alive.

Town core
Thea
Fred
Seven
Adum

So we can actually protect 3/4. Seven protects thea, I parrot seven thereby protecting seven. I then flip a coin to protect one of adum or Fred.

Unless adum you don't need protecting in which case we can protect all 4.

[Freddino18]

Wam, if you roleblock Bessie I will start a witch hunt against you.

[Wam]

Wam, if you roleblock Bessie I will start a witch hunt against you.

Why does no one get my hilarious jokes.

[Wam]

I should have put on there that assumes moody is the elim target. I can run other scenarios if people want.

[Seven]

I meant to add a ping to seven in the above post but eh.

I asked you about this before, but to reiterate, Wam claims that they got an answer that "publishing cop" is the rolename. Could you verify that you can also get the same information?

I haven’t gotten a watcher result so the mods would not be able to answer in the same way. They only answered Wam because it was an elaboration of his result.

On another note, I’ve changed my mind on eliminating moody first. I’d like to eliminate Wam first. My only worry is that you are some sort of Doctor Who hunter hence the JC kill and your aggressive push on Wam. I will eliminate Wam today if you honestly full claim both role and character, and if your win condition is compatible with Town’s. Please just be honest. Xkcd players are happy to work with 3p if their win cons are compatible, and so am I, even if it means you need to kill me.

[AdumbroDeus]

I meant to add a ping to seven in the above post but eh.

I asked you about this before, but to reiterate, Wam claims that they got an answer that "publishing cop" is the rolename. Could you verify that you can also get the same information?

I haven’t gotten a watcher result so the mods would not be able to answer in the same way. They only answered Wam because it was an elaboration of his result.

On another note, I’ve changed my mind on eliminating moody first. I’d like to eliminate Wam first. My only worry is that you are some sort of Doctor Who hunter hence the JC kill and your aggressive push on Wam. I will eliminate Wam today if you honestly full claim both role and character, and if your win condition is compatible with Town’s. Please just be honest. Xkcd players are happy to work with 3p if their win cons are compatible, and so am I, even if it means you need to kill me.

Busy at work, but counteroffer.

I want you and Bessie protected toNight. I'm not as charismatic as you so I'd like you to get the others to agree, help me get that. (You doing your best and failing or Wam purposefully messing up the plan in the night do not negate this obviously)

Moody dying toDay and proclaiming doom on Wam for toMorrow is a good plan.

[Santygrass]

I will make sure Seven doesnt die this night *winks*

[Santygrass]

But also

Theres me + Whatever Adum has + 3 JoaTs having doc . It is a considerable amount of protections for a game this small

Traffic analyser + Publishing cop + 1 shot of tracker/watcher also are leaning on the stronger side of town informatives. So Im considering that mafia probably has some sort of set of roles to use to counter some of the protectives or informatives (aka, what thea said that mafia had the last halloween game, something similar power wise maybe)

[Santygrass]

Are roleblocks notified ? As in, the target of the roleblock is notified that they were roleblocked and they couldnt carry their action?

@Moody were you notified of it, or you only learned of it because of the loudness?

[Santygrass]

Are roleblocks notified ? As in, the target of the roleblock is notified that they were roleblocked and they couldnt carry their action?

@Moody were you notified of it, or you only learned of it because of the loudness?

Uh well I forgot about the loudness motivator, if Wam tries to roleblock to make a kill go through if we coordinate they out themselves.

@Wam I think if you arent yeeted today and Adum doesnt claim, I would just roleblock him. Then you have a doc and parrot remaining. Parroting of bessie might be useful, or next phase you could even parrot my loud doctor (essentially having doctor tonight, and then another doctor) but uh, I have the feeling that since there are so many protective options, that is probably not that big of a problem for scum. So I would lean into just parrot bessie

[Seven]

I will make sure Seven doesnt die this night *winks*

*blushes*

[Seven]

Yeah I think there’s ways to disrupt any sort of mass night action plan we try.

[bessie]

Daily bark!

Of course bessie can distance, it would be an insult to her prowess to say otherwise. She was likely doing that in Dancers with Madge to the extent their joint meta allows. The difference between distancing and bussing would seem to be a tactical vs philosophical line for her.

I disagree on whether it's a breach of mod duty, but you may be onto something that given their stringent anti-hypothetical stance it MAY be inconsistent and suggest he's lying. I genuinely don't know to what end at this point but worth checking out.

I’ve thought about it and I think I accept Wam’s claim on this part: that he (or his scum partner) did some sort of investigation, and that they got the result “publishing cop”.

Unrelated, but would you mind looking over my exchange with Thea?

I’m trying but this week has been very eventful, and time has just slipped away from me.

I already asked the mods 4 questions and I’m too shy to ask a 5th.

Just start off by telling Madge how great she is and she won’t even care if you ask another question.

Why would you assume you were a likely NK target? Adum would not have been my target N1 but I cam see the logic. N2 I would have gone elsewhere to put pressure and judge reactions.

I always assume I’m a possible night kill target. And I had already been pretty much outed as an insane cop, which if true would mean I would have a good, published result on D3. So if I wasn’t here on D3, whomever I investigated would have been cleared as town.

Your comment is interesting. How could I have used my result to put pressure on anyone when it would functionally been a “town” result?

My experience is bessie claims when needed and thinks it through I saw no evidence of that it was her thinking strategically it was just thrown back at me as questions.

What? Where??

.

Here
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=80801#p80801

What in particular? That’s a very long post.

Wam, if you roleblock Bessie I will start a witch hunt against you.

Why wait? What is your current Wam read?

I'm not as charismatic as you

I don’t believe this at all. -1

But also

Theres me + Whatever Adum has + 3 JoaTs having doc . It is a considerable amount of protections for a game this small

Traffic analyser + Publishing cop + 1 shot of tracker/watcher also are leaning on the stronger side of town informatives. So Im considering that mafia probably has some sort of set of roles to use to counter some of the protectives or informatives (aka, what thea said that mafia had the last halloween game, something similar power wise maybe)

Town does appear overly protected.
What do you think of some of the ideas I have expressed, like there being a mafia supporter, or that mafia has an arsonist?

Yeah I think there’s ways to disrupt any sort of mass night action plan we try.

I feel confident in saying that Sabrar would have planned for it.


Sorry for not getting much rereading done but we're having a heck of a time with Hoku and we can't get him to take his pills. We tried forcing them down his throat and he still managed to spit them up.
I will try to check in a couple of hours before deadline but I'm not sure I will be available at deadline, which is the exact time my husband's band hits the stage and it's a larger venue so I don't know if I'll have a corner in which to hide and post.

[madge]

I already asked the mods 4 questions and I’m too shy to ask a 5th.

Just start off by telling Madge how great she is and she won’t even care [EDIT: about literally anything you say or do].

Mod confirmed

[AdumbroDeus]

I am once more asking for people to explain what a Mafia supporter is.

[Theallieza]

I am once more asking for people to explain what a Mafia supporter is.

It is a player aligned with mafia but can't communicate with the rest of the mafia. There's different variants... sometimes they are recruitable if they are targeted with a NK. Usually they know who the mafia is but not vice versa.

[Seven]

Vote: Wam