Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D3]

[Wam]

What I thought I was responding to was Santy asking me what I was doing that Seven blocked me from doing. If that isn't it, I would appreciate a more detailed question.

Ah it was to santys question. I'm an idiot and read seven not santy in the quote bubble and was going mad looking for a seven question you were responding to. Ignore me.

[AdumbroDeus]

Hey @Wam, in as much detail as possible describe your observe power

In what way?

I don't know what else I can say without copying from the pm.

I get all the role names of everyone who visited my target.

I got
Publishing cop
Jack of all trades
Jack of all trades

As the result.

Because it's not Bessie's actual rolename, as we've just established. I was wondering if there was any explanation in the claimed observe description.

[AdumbroDeus]

Vote: bessie

Unvote

Sorry, that's just PTSD from the last game that explicitly involved the Doctor where she was a Weeping Angel.

@moody thought?

Well, despite Seven's alleged mindmeld with Madge, I am the town backup, and I was trying to see if my "You are next" declaration was justified.

What were your results last night?

[moody7277]

Vote: bessie

Unvote

Sorry, that's just PTSD from the last game that explicitly involved the Doctor where she was a Weeping Angel.

@moody thought?

Well, despite Seven's alleged mindmeld with Madge, I am the town backup, and I was trying to see if my "You are next" declaration was justified.

What were your results last night?

I didn't get a result as I was blocked, and I think Seven was taking the credit for that.

[Wam]

Hey @Wam, in as much detail as possible describe your observe power

In what way?

I don't know what else I can say without copying from the pm.

I get all the role names of everyone who visited my target.

I got
Publishing cop
Jack of all trades
Jack of all trades

As the result.

Because it's not Bessie's actual rolename, as we've just established. I was wondering if there was any explanation in the claimed observe description.

I have been back and checked and it just says roles.

I'm fairly certain seven and I have very similar or exact copies so maybe they can say more?

[AdumbroDeus]

Vote: bessie

Unvote

Sorry, that's just PTSD from the last game that explicitly involved the Doctor where she was a Weeping Angel.



Well, despite Seven's alleged mindmeld with Madge, I am the town backup, and I was trying to see if my "You are next" declaration was justified.

What were your results last night?

I didn't get a result as I was blocked, and I think Seven was taking the credit for that.

Oops I forgot about the RB, but who'd you target?

[moody7277]

Oops I forgot about the RB, but who'd you target?

Mak. As I said, I was trying to see if my scummy read of him was justified.

[AdumbroDeus]

In what way?

I don't know what else I can say without copying from the pm.

I get all the role names of everyone who visited my target.

I got
Publishing cop
Jack of all trades
Jack of all trades

As the result.

Because it's not Bessie's actual rolename, as we've just established. I was wondering if there was any explanation in the claimed observe description.

I have been back and checked and it just says roles.

I'm fairly certain seven and I have very similar or exact copies so maybe they can say more?

To my recollection they claimed a parrot but not an observe and I'm not asking them to at this time.

That said @Seven I don't think you answered my question before, what's your role name? I will again say that this isn't metadata.

[AdumbroDeus]

Oh, and given the third JOAT is town and it looks like Wam is the only non-loud one, the explanations for n1's NK that don't include Wam doing it/being on the team that did it seem a bit thinner now.

I don't see Seven or Bessie doing it, which leaves ninja as the the only other alternative that matches Wam's claim.

[Seven]

Loud JOAT.

[AdumbroDeus]

Loud JOAT.

Interesting.

So, why would Wam's role watcher catch Bessie's publishing modifier, but not the other modifier, but also not catch your loud modifier?

[Seven]

@moody thought?

Well, despite Seven's alleged mindmeld with Madge, I am the town backup, and I was trying to see if my "You are next" declaration was justified.

Not a mind meld with Madge: Madgebrar. The fused mind of Madge and Sabrar is eerily similar to my own, it genuinely creeps me out at times. It’s how I knew* there was a Framer in Brooklyn 99 Mafia, that Stranger Things consisted of multiple docs and SKs; and how I know that back up is Mafia aligned.

*substitute for whatever lesser version of “know” that the reader finds satisfactory

[Seven]

Loud JOAT.

Interesting.

So, why would Wam's role watcher catch Bessie's publishing modifier, but not the other modifier, but also not catch your loud modifier?

I’m not sure. I don’t think it points to wam or bessie lying. JC didn’t flip as Loud JOAT. Also I think JC watched you N1 and he had the same result as Wam. He said something along the lines of town reading wam because Wam was accurate about ‘Publishing Cop”.

[Santygrass]

Vote: Wam

[AdumbroDeus]

I guess the JC kill had to be mafia. Possible reasons are hard dangerous PR read, redirected, or just they felt they didn't have better targets.

That last one weirds me, they obviously have a reason not to go after me, but why not seven or the claimed masons? Why not the claimed cop? Why not Santy?

Maybe they have Indy reads and are trying to dodge BP?

[Santygrass]

So have started this post and got distracted multiple.times this afternoon so apologies for any mistakes.

So I think we can POE this out

Town core
Adum
Seven
Fred
Thea

Possible elim targets
Bessie
JC
Makhaira
Moody
Santygrass
Somi
Wam

Within the above I have the following reads

Town
JC - I haven't changed my day 1 read of this is the .most town JC has looked.

Mak - this feels Town Mak but I'm a little bit questioning of them still being stuck on adum

Santy - got a town lean but will admit based on the 1 game this could be within santys scum range.

Moody - a null read on moody I haven't seen much to sway me.either way. Waiting to see what his promised deep look shows

Somi - feels a bit off needs a re read.

Bessie - I said end of day 1 I felt bessie c Seven was TvS been back through and still think it is.

Scum

[Santygrass]

Tbh I think it's POE run through the list and it should.be OK.

If its mutliball and 2/2/7 we have 2 mis elims after me

If its not and us 3/8 we have 2 mis elims after me plus a NL at mylo.

I think myntown core earlier is solid which means scumust be in

JC
Bessies
Somi
Moody
Santy

So either 3/5 or 4/5 so hit everyone on the list we win.

@mak

I have left in my JOAT tool box

Cop (was saving for closer to endgame)
Roleblocker
Parrot - weird one I'm not going to explain as it's more useful that way
Doc (was saving for closer to endgame)

Even thinking ut could be multiball Wam had the masons as towncore. I dont believe the perspective in which they believed that and then went to check thea alignment. Specially after thea pushed the somi yeet as well

[Santygrass]

Like, a check on bessie/moody/me was infinitely better?? And I dont buy it coming from Wam perspective?

But maybe Im just stiff / biased with my scumread earlier idk. But blanket just think there should be a mafia between Wam/bessie always

[Santygrass]

I will self pres vote if needed but of all the POE JC is my top town read.

I'm thinking outside my towncore.and yes paired scum/indies is possible for thea and Fred but think we can solve that later in game and I think it's unlikely.

Town

JC - most town jc has ever looked I find it weird that's who thea has gone for
Moody - think thier reactions to the claim stuff show a desire to solve.
Mak - feels Town but within scum range
Bessie - see previous post
Santy - I think they are lying about having a vig shot to give them cover being caught shooting someone later. See previous post about how they didn't flag back to adum with a vig shot its not mathematically optimal to no elim.
Somi - interactions with claim are weird.

Scum

Vote somi

Like, look at this. From an objective perspective I have equity with somi. Not copping me is wild

[Seven]

I guess the JC kill had to be mafia. Possible reasons are hard dangerous PR read, redirected, or just they felt they didn't have better targets.

That last one weirds me, they obviously have a reason not to go after me, but why not seven or the claimed masons? Why not the claimed cop? Why not Santy?

Maybe they have Indy reads and are trying to dodge BP?

I think it is one of the following:

1. They were avoiding a Doc protect. Wam, JC (presumably), and I all have a Doc. There’s lots of protective power this game. Additionally I informed Wam not to target me, bessie, or Mak because I had a trap in place. So scum may have been inclined to avoid triggering said trap.

2. That JC was JOAT was deducible from scum!moody’s point of view.

3. Scum were aiming for the traffic analyst and had a 50:50 shot between moody and JC. They are more afraid of TA than cop because they have a Godfather.

[Santygrass]

@bessie I want you to elaborate what your role does / cycles that you know in full detail

[Santygrass]

Wam, I have exactly 0 clue what you are saying in that post.

That's because I should be asleep and I'm typing too quickly due to deadline. I have reworded it to better explain my mindset.

I'm viewing the TA as effectively a cop and the masons as effectively miller's to reduce the effectiveness. So if we knew we had a cop and we had two miller's claim would we expect scum to claim miller's?

With the additional caveat that scum can't just claim false claim some othwr chat there has to be at least 2 players claiming chat for it to make sense.

So I'm.not sold on it.

More on Wam's perspective assuming the masons are town and effectively a 'miller' to the traffic analyser

[Seven]

Like, a check on bessie/moody/me was infinitely better?? And I dont buy it coming from Wam perspective?

But maybe Im just stiff / biased with my scumread earlier idk. But blanket just think there should be a mafia between Wam/bessie always

Vote: wam

Why bessie?

[Santygrass]

That's because I should be asleep and I'm typing too quickly due to deadline. I have reworded it to better explain my mindset.

I'm viewing the TA as effectively a cop and the masons as effectively miller's to reduce the effectiveness. So if we knew we had a cop and we had two miller's claim would we expect scum to claim miller's?

With the additional caveat that scum can't just claim false claim some othwr chat there has to be at least 2 players claiming chat for it to make sense.

So I'm.not sold on it.

Back up is scum anyway. Because Madgebrar think like me and I would make Backup scum.

I take it you agree with the third JOAT being scum? Why aren't you voting moody for his TMI on Adum.

I'm I'm the camp of either the 3rd joat is scum or I'm wrong on Thea Fred. As 3 joats and masons is too town OP.

I missed the tmi enlighten me

This is the only post in which they cast possible doubt on thea/fred . But also is right before knowing that somi flips mafia with both of the masons pushing there idk

[Santygrass]

Like, a check on bessie/moody/me was infinitely better?? And I dont buy it coming from Wam perspective?

But maybe Im just stiff / biased with my scumread earlier idk. But blanket just think there should be a mafia between Wam/bessie always

Vote: wam

Why bessie?

Mostly PoE .

And the fact that the observer should've caught who killed in most scenarios (so its either Wam, or wam observing bessie kinda).
And for the last night, moody couldnt carry the JC kill (Roleblocked), so PoE tightens Masons/Adum are mech cleared, and you are strongly town with how you cleared Adum last phase. So that leaves us Mak/Bessie/Wam. And Mak was copped by somi, so strongly town as well.

So should always be one in bessie/Wam. But I dont think is both with how Wam was pushing bessie EoD1 and first parts of D2 mostly