Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[AdumbroDeus]

I think the other Joat targeting you was stated in thread

I'm wracking my brain, but I'm almost positive it wasn't.

Seven is claiming to be the loud JOAT and says they copped, so the best explanation for the seperate lines is a role that makes a target's role name and action loud.

[AdumbroDeus]

... Huh

Alternative explanation, Wam made the same mistake as you Santy (not realizing seven is the loud JOAT) and is lying.

(I'm discounting that I got copped by a third JOAT as well, that seems silly)

[JC_DADDY25]

Hmm...

Okay, Wam is Town and I do not support his elim. I do not think mafia would have a watcher on the role that they NKed, so either Adum is lying, or Wam is Town.

Vote: JC

Do people really not see how safe of a gamble claim it is to make?
Or that it still could be truthful but still be scim (Adum not being the nk target or intended one f.e. Also multibal but K dlnt believe in that. Much much more likely that its just fake. As in, they re Joat but that wasnt their action today)

All the observed stuff are things that were said previously on thread. You add that up with the holster claims (me/thea/Fred) + teammates and th odds of that vlaim.being a correct guess are just high and worth to do.
Wam was already being top wagon so even in the case it was not correct, town would have to reveal additional unknown info

Are we ignoring the fact Wam name does a role?

[Santygrass]

I mean , I think is very safe to assume if you have the knowledge that there is more than one Joat , that those are different players. It was my first assumption aswell.

And I think it provides a more sensible explanation to what happened in the night raher than just a track on seven haha

[Santygrass]

What does that mean/imply JC?

[madge]

Votals:
Bessie - 1 - Makhaira
Wam - 5 - Seven, Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody
JC - 2 - Thea, Fred
somi - 1 - wam

Not voting: JC, Somi

11 players alive and 7 to hammer.

Sorry Sabrar you made a typo here, 6 is majority with 12 players.

this 7 figure is correct, my previous posts saying 6 to hammer were incorrect and I have since edited them

[JC_DADDY25]

What does that mean/imply JC?

Sorry, phone posting...

Wam actually name dropped the Publishing Cop, there is no way he would know the actual name of a role if he was making up his action.

[Santygrass]

@theallieza @Fred I'm afraid we're going to need your help

[Santygrass]

What does that mean/imply JC?

Sorry, phone posting...

Wam actually name dropped the Publishing Cop, there is no way he would know the actual name of a role if he was making up his action.

Thats true! I think is the first thing I pointed out.

For that I have 2 answers.

Publishing Cop is also scum

Mafia targeted the publishing cop with a tailor-esque type of role / have knowledge about them

[AdumbroDeus]

I mean , I think is very safe to assume if you have the knowledge that there is more than one Joat , that those are different players. It was my first assumption aswell.

And I think it provides a more sensible explanation to what happened in the night raher than just a track on seven haha

I disagree. I think two different JOATs submitting on the same player is the less likely interpretation given loudness. But for some reason I misremembered and thought that power was included in it, which makes it less unlikely they're seperate players.

If I'm right that both entries refer to Seven, only being two JOATs explains the lack of a counterclaim as well as the third JOAT being Wam's partner.

[AdumbroDeus]

Hey Seven, what's your actual rolename?

[AdumbroDeus]

Votals:
Bessie - 1 - Makhaira
Wam - 5 - Seven, Bessie, Santygrass, Adum, moody
JC - 2 - Thea, Fred
somi - 1 - wam

Not voting: JC, Somi

11 players alive and 7 to hammer.

Sorry Sabrar you made a typo here, 6 is majority with 12 players.

this 7 figure is correct, my previous posts saying 6 to hammer were incorrect and I have since edited them

I'm confused

[Wam]

I mean , I think is very safe to assume if you have the knowledge that there is more than one Joat , that those are different players. It was my first assumption aswell.

And I think it provides a more sensible explanation to what happened in the night raher than just a track on seven haha

I disagree. I think two different JOATs submitting on the same player is the less likely interpretation given loudness. But for some reason I misremembered and thought that power was included in it, which makes it less unlikely they're seperate players.

If I'm right that both entries refer to Seven, only being two JOATs explains the lack of a counterclaim as well as the third JOAT being Wam's partner.

No I checked my qction only gets 1 result no matter how many actions the visitor takes.

Why would a 3rd JOAT counter claim an accurate claim?

[Santygrass]

Bessie somi wam santy is my yeetables in order from most pref to least, I kind want to see wam try to prove himself or draw an NK, I get why seven doesn't believe the claim though, and yeah he could be true claimin mechanically but it's just a scum PR so I'm not gonna throw any tantrums I just want to see in clear terms where people actually are willing to put their votes theres just been so much tentative posturing is so frustrating

@makhaira when you are here, please give names on who you are frustrated about doing a lot of tentative posturing.

This is the second time I see you are overreacting / getting mad at something I dont see much happening in thread at all

[Wam]

Jack of all Trades used their [cop] power last night - seven

Jack of all Trades targeted [adum] last night - not seven or me. I have suspicions

[JC_DADDY25]

What does that mean/imply JC?

Sorry, phone posting...

Wam actually name dropped the Publishing Cop, there is no way he would know the actual name of a role if he was making up his action.

Thats true! I think is the first thing I pointed out.

For that I have 2 answers.

Publishing Cop is also scum

Mafia targeted the publishing cop with a tailor-esque type of role / have knowledge about them

Man, I hope I'm as good at this game as you one day.

I don't think I could ever make up enough crap to get someone elimmed as you are right now.


Vote: Santy

[Wam]

Sorry Sabrar you made a typo here, 6 is majority with 12 players.

this 7 figure is correct, my previous posts saying 6 to hammer were incorrect and I have since edited them

I'm confused

I'm guessing a double voter who hasn't used their 2nd vote

[somitomi]

Quick post:

From this post where he claimed, he made it clear he was not one of the joats from the d2 start.

I don't know if Wam is town, but he seems more town than others so I moved him up the list. Never said I considered him conf-town.

Like my post said, I'm content with letting him cook, and looking back at this slot later.

Okay, I'm a forgetful idiot.

Okay, I actually have a theory for why the claim changed your mind about Wam, but I'm not sure it's wise to talk about the details if I'm right, I have to work out what this means for your alignment.

[snip]
Somi - interactions with claim are weird.

Scum

Vote somi

Well, this seems a little abrupt.

Thea, I recognize you're busy but this is flat out incorrect. They're claiming they can only see the role names of people who visited me, so any of the two JOATs or the cop could've carried the NK. Their claim is they thought the other JOAT was a doc.

What doesn't make sense with this claim or him being town is given I already discounted lightning rod effect and and psychic effect, why'd I'd think I was the target and survived until he knew my role. He should've thought his claim conflicted with mine but didn't put the thought into it!

(Of course, he could be gambiting that no town role could counterclaim him and he didn't watch me at all)

Okay, can you walk an idiot like me through this, I don't understand what the conflict should be here?

Somi, mind answering my question about why you didn't consider a no elim yesterday?

I'll be honest, I always forget about that being mathematically advantageous with an even number of players, it's just so counter-intuitive. A No Elim would also leave us without the information from the D1 flip and wagons, so I'd actually be suspicious of anyone else suggesting it on the first day. Especially so in a Halloween game where the setup is almost guaranteed to not be ordinary in some way, probably nullifying the mathematics.

[AdumbroDeus]

I mean , I think is very safe to assume if you have the knowledge that there is more than one Joat , that those are different players. It was my first assumption aswell.

And I think it provides a more sensible explanation to what happened in the night raher than just a track on seven haha

I disagree. I think two different JOATs submitting on the same player is the less likely interpretation given loudness. But for some reason I misremembered and thought that power was included in it, which makes it less unlikely they're seperate players.

If I'm right that both entries refer to Seven, only being two JOATs explains the lack of a counterclaim as well as the third JOAT being Wam's partner.

No I checked my qction only gets 1 result no matter how many actions the visitor takes.

Why would a 3rd JOAT counter claim an accurate claim?

This is is explicitly us discussing out the possibility of your claim not being accurate.

[AdumbroDeus]

this 7 figure is correct, my previous posts saying 6 to hammer were incorrect and I have since edited them

I'm confused

I'm guessing a double voter who hasn't used their 2nd vote

That's a thing? Maybe I'm misremembering my Mafia history but I thought double voters' vote don't count for number required for majority.

[AdumbroDeus]

Thea, I recognize you're busy but this is flat out incorrect. They're claiming they can only see the role names of people who visited me, so any of the two JOATs or the cop could've carried the NK. Their claim is they thought the other JOAT was a doc.

What doesn't make sense with this claim or him being town is given I already discounted lightning rod effect and and psychic effect, why'd I'd think I was the target and survived until he knew my role. He should've thought his claim conflicted with mine but didn't put the thought into it!

(Of course, he could be gambiting that no town role could counterclaim him and he didn't watch me at all)

Okay, can you walk an idiot like me through this, I don't understand what the conflict should be here?

It's pretty simple. Wam saw everyone who visited me, Wam didn't know my role. I claimed that I didn't have a lightning rod power and that I didn't have role knowledge of any misdirections, implying I wasn't a psychic. So, what explains them believing me about being the NK target? What explains them not caring about my rationale for the belief?

Especially after Seven pointed out the investigations cancel each other out and I could be a godfather?

Even if they, as they claim, had that strong of a townread on me, why aren't they trying to figure out my role to learn what I know? That they figured it out so quickly shows they could've done it easily if they put in the effort.

It just doesn't make sense from a town-Wam perspective.

Somi, mind answering my question about why you didn't consider a no elim yesterday?

I'll be honest, I always forget about that being mathematically advantageous with an even number of players, it's just so counter-intuitive. A No Elim would also leave us without the information from the D1 flip and wagons, so I'd actually be suspicious of anyone else suggesting it on the first day. Especially so in a Halloween game where the setup is almost guaranteed to not be ordinary in some way, probably nullifying the mathematics.

Appreciated.

[AdumbroDeus]

Btw mind answering my question on my you didn't consider a no elim last game day?

[AdumbroDeus]

You too on the no elim question por favor.

[somitomi]

It's pretty simple. Wam saw everyone who visited me, Wam didn't know my role. I claimed that I didn't have a lightning rod power and that I didn't have role knowledge of any misdirections, implying I wasn't a psychic. So, what explains them believing me about being the NK target? What explains them not caring about my rationale for the belief?

Especially after Seven pointed out the investigations cancel each other out and I could be a godfather?

Even if they, as they claim, had that strong of a townread on me, why aren't they trying to figure out my role to learn what I know? That they figured it out so quickly shows they could've done it easily if they put in the effort.

It just doesn't make sense from a town-Wam perspective.

Thanks you, that makes sense now.

Vote: Wam

I believe that's E-1

[JC_DADDY25]

Btw mind answering my question on my you didn't consider a no elim last game day?

Didn't even think about it