Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[AdumbroDeus]

This phase is beginning to drag, getting bored

In order of preference I'd yeet the following:

Bessie, Moody, Wam, Santy

Ping me when yall need a hammer

If you're bored, how bout you ask some questions instead of dipping?

Also, right now I'm thinking Wam and Somi. I'm not getting any directional pings on moody but he reads unpaired with Wam so I'd rather Yeet Wam and reasess.

Also with Santy, but I'm town leaning them still. Speaking of which, do you have any reason for scum Santy other than the omgus accusation?

nothing immediately probative comes to mind to ask rn tbh I just need to see where people come out on this wagon and I'd prefer people start taking stances now instead of 12 hours before deadline or less.

I'm planning on voting Wam tomorrow because I don't want the wagon to randomly disintegrate due to recency bias.

If we're going to debate the merits of multiple true considerations we need to get people to actually say shit with their chests and start voting this is literally why I fucking hate plurality games every sits on their ass until the last minute it is so a fucking annoying

I actually agree, the problem isn't just that people do it, it's that it's advantageous to do so.

Bessie is a gut read just based on her brief interaction with my slot.

On that note, Santy's question.

Moody I have a brutally hard time reading but find hes reasons for scumleaning me strange. Somi is true null to me.

I actually fully disagree here, I have a lot of trouble figuring out moody too, but I think it's pretty reasonable to scumread you. The reason why I (and imo several others) don't has a lot to do with more nuanced tonal reads, but I think there's a lot in your actions that make sense to interpret as scummy. Hell, you literally congratulated the protective, one of the classic scumtells.

That's why I don't think reading you as scummy and thinking you're the play is scummy. I think it's NAI.

Santy is vibes and like they haven't done anything that overtly pings town to me and the slot is good enough to have to earn that shit so also null/light scum lean

Fair, as I said they've town pinged me but not in ways that I think are out of their range.

[Wam]

Sorry been a busy (and hungover day) will be back in the morning.

[Makhaira]

Ive explained why I scum read bessie and moody pretty clearly. Wam is mostly poe but generally seemed to be scumhunting marginally more than bessie or moody and somi. not confident in my reads of any of these slots except bessie idk I just have a bunch about her, I could absolutely be wrong tho. I don't care to debate adum on bessie tho just agreeing to disagree and if people don't want bessie I'll compromise on another in my POE

[Makhaira]

Above @santy

[Makhaira]

Yeah adum I hear you and stuff but until people start actually voting I'm fine pushing my gut read

[Makhaira]

See you all at deadline for the shitshow I guess

[Makhaira]

I just have a hunch* about bessie, not bunch man fuck phone posting

[somitomi]

I mean, yeah, I know this is pizazz and everything but at that point I haven't seen anything to cast doubt on that loud result. As we now know, Seven was speficially trying to allude to the conflicting result he apparently has, but I didn't pick up on that. I'm not good with crumbs.

Then why didn’t you vote for Adum!?

Because I didn't want to be the idiot who accidentally quickhammers before everyone had a chance to chime in.

Finally, I was just about to ask you why the loud result is more likely to have been tampered with than yours.

Nonetheless, I do have the feeling Adum's reaction is more likely to come from town than scum, but I'm not at all certain if that makes you town as well.

Interesting! Please explain how you accept Adum as town, but not Seven for derailing Adum’s elimination!

When it comes to Seven I can't entirely silence the suspicious bastard in me wondering if he did this for the everlasting town-cred.

See moody thinking I'm a play here is crazy to me adum like you have to be kidding me like how can a townie think this

Why not vote moody then?

A glimpse into the enigmaticidiotic workings of the somi mind follows, please keep your hands inside the vehicle.

town core in no particular order
- Adum, Mak (tone as discussed already)
- Fred, Thea (I'd probably scumread Fred in isolation, but I don't think there's a way mafia!Thea would do something as audacious and risky as claiming masons D1)
high-probability town
- Seven (clearing Adum)
scares me
- Santy (super open posting that's hella townie to me, but from what I recall they did just about the same as my replacement, so I have all the paranoia)
PoE
- JC
- moody
- wam
- bessie
Yeah, look at me calling all these kettles black, but the PoE group didn't leave much of an impression on me so the differences are rather marginal. JC feels a little more townish than the rest but I can't justify this vague impression. I'll go back to reread these people a bit, but for the moment it seems like picking any would likely hit scum and we're one NK ahead so the order isn't critical.
...
Yes, I hear the little alarm bell saying some kind of nuke will go off N2 to completely turn me on my head.

[Seven]

I’m going to ask that we elim moody today. I feel most strongly on him based on his D2 posts. They have a tone of manipulation behind them.

Vote: moody

[AdumbroDeus]

Ive explained why I scum read bessie and moody pretty clearly. Wam is mostly poe but generally seemed to be scumhunting marginally more than bessie or moody and somi. not confident in my reads of any of these slots except bessie idk I just have a bunch about her, I could absolutely be wrong tho. I don't care to debate adum on bessie tho just agreeing to disagree and if people don't want bessie I'll compromise on another in my POE

I'm bringing attention to why I read Bessie town specifically because the interaction where you seemed to develop the scumread on her was one of the central questions I spent time I was trying to get context on in order to read her both yeaterDay and toDay.

I'm not looking to debate you on it, at least right now, but I would ask you to review it if you didn't and think about why I concluded like I did about that interaction.

(But I'm sure Santy wants to debate you on it)

[AdumbroDeus]

I’m going to ask that we elim moody today. I feel most strongly on him based on his D2 posts. They have a tone of manipulation behind them.

Vote: moody

Please explain?

Also do you agree with me that they seem unpaired with Santy and Wam?

[Seven]

I change my mind.

Vote: Wam

[Seven]

Also do you agree with me that they seem unpaired with Santy and Wam?

I don't think I agree. I think he is unpaired with one or the other, but not necessarily both. I am also starting to think that we are indeed dealing with multiball: 2 v 2 v 8. I think the non-killing team probably has a Mafia Doctor and they protected Adum N1 from the killing team.

I can see these team combinations:

Moody + Santy/Adum
Wam + Somi

or

Moody + Wam
Santy + Somi

or

Moody + Somi
Wam + Santy


I think we should eliminate Wam, and Traffic Analyst should investigate Moody.

[moody7277]

@Seven: you are certain that Fred/Thea aren't trying to pull a fast one with the masons claim? Because Cynical View likes your 8-2-2 setup if they're one of them.

[Seven]

@Seven: you are certain that Fred/Thea aren't trying to pull a fast one with the masons claim? Because Cynical View likes your 8-2-2 setup if they're one of them.

It's possible, but I think it's unlikely given the Traffic Analyst. Hopefully it will be resolved tonight regardless with a vig shot.

[bessie]

Daily bark!

I'm pretty positive Bessie is a town puppy this game *gives pets to good puppy*

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Sorry been a busy (and hungover day) will be back in the morning.

I’m looking forward to your answer to my question! Here it is so you don’t forget!

Do think that eod between you and Seven was tvs and if seven is town....

This is so weak it’s more like a non-read. Let’s have some actual reasons.

When it comes to Seven I can't entirely silence the suspicious bastard in me wondering if he did this for the everlasting town-cred.

Interesting! You suspect scum!Seven derail an almost guaranteed yeet of the strongest and towniest player in the game just for town cred! Even though if Adum is not eliminated, Adum’s alignment is not confirmed so the town cred Seven is trying for may or may not happen! I think your reasoning is scummy!

- Fred, Thea (I'd probably scumread Fred in isolation, but I don't think there's a way mafia!Thea would do something as audacious and risky as claiming masons D1)

Think creatively!

I change my mind.

Vote: Wam

I like this vote!



Woof
the worst
bessie
Adum
Seven
JC
Makhaira
Moody
Santygrass
Thea
Fred
somitomi
Wam
Grr


Vote: Wam

[Makhaira]

bessie voting for wam makes me not want to go there but ill compromise on moody at deadline if no one wants to sheep me on bessie

[Santygrass]

bessie voting for wam makes me not want to go there but ill compromise on moody at deadline if no one wants to sheep me on bessie

You are NOT trying to convince anyone on why its bessie.

I dont get how you complain on plurality, see that your townreads dont want to vote bessie and are totally okay with that / not do an effort to change it.

Mostly your sus on bessie being a "hunch" and ignoring the rationale behind a townread , and wam also just saying that an interaction felt "TvS" without any elaboration and using that to vote bessie ... like that wagon on bessie just seems very bad and scum pushed to me

[Santygrass]

Ive explained why I scum read bessie and moody pretty clearly. Wam is mostly poe but generally seemed to be scumhunting marginally more than bessie or moody and somi. not confident in my reads of any of these slots except bessie idk I just have a bunch about her, I could absolutely be wrong tho. I don't care to debate adum on bessie tho just agreeing to disagree and if people don't want bessie I'll compromise on another in my POE

oh its bunch not hunch lol . Will do my due diligence and go through your post to properly dissect your case on bessie o7

[Santygrass]

bessie voting for wam makes me not want to go there but ill compromise on moody at deadline if no one wants to sheep me on bessie

What is the most important point about your read that is the most compelling to you?

[Santygrass]

I’m going to ask that we elim moody today. I feel most strongly on him based on his D2 posts. They have a tone of manipulation behind them.

Vote: moody

Manipulation on what sense? My issue mostly with moody is that I have no idea on what direction they want to go for today

[Santygrass]

Somi having Mak as towncore but Seven as high probability town makes my eye twitch a bit aswell ngl. Currently debating if thats a v-v indicator or w-w . But makes me lean on them being same alignment

[Santygrass]

I just have a hunch* about bessie, not bunch man fuck phone posting

Oh lol it was indeed hunch I had it right and got confused rereading LMAO

[Santygrass]

bessie voting for wam makes me not want to go there but ill compromise on moody at deadline if no one wants to sheep me on bessie

What is the most important point about your read that is the most compelling to you?

This question still stands regardless @Makhaira .
Make me see the light

[Santygrass]

Also do you agree with me that they seem unpaired with Santy and Wam?

I don't think I agree. I think he is unpaired with one or the other, but not necessarily both. I am also starting to think that we are indeed dealing with multiball: 2 v 2 v 8. I think the non-killing team probably has a Mafia Doctor and they protected Adum N1 from the killing team.

I can see these team combinations:

Moody + Santy/Adum
Wam + Somi

or

Moody + Wam
Santy + Somi

or

Moody + Somi
Wam + Santy


I think we should eliminate Wam, and Traffic Analyst should investigate Moody.

I think that the setup being 2v2v8 is not unlikely , but the mafia doctor targeting Adum makes no sense at all. Highly more likely that the no death is thanks for something town aligned almost always (Or Adum is scum and had some sort of protection of course. But Adum is just town, I'm that confident)