Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[Freddino18]

So does anyone have information on a scum candidate or is this D1 part 2?

[moody7277]

So does anyone have information on a scum candidate or is this D1 part 2?

If you knew Madge better, you'd know how funny that question is.

Since it's the weekend, I'll be able to do my usual deep look at the game after work tonight.

[JC_DADDY25]

Hold your horses. This is what we’re dealing with my friend: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tailor

This is a well established normal role.

Why are you saying tailor then? Doesnt a Tailor would also alterate the result you receive?

It’s not my result.

Was reading while at work, so this threw me off. I understand now that Seven meant the non town result that was posted in the write up was not his.

[Wam]

So does anyone have information on a scum candidate or is this D1 part 2?

Who are your thoughts? Gut feel is enough!

[Seven]

For the record, until now, I thought the second one was just you, and that your overall role had loud targetting, but your abilities (or at least this one) also had separate loud targetting, role name reveal, and power reveal which created a second separate entry but now I wonder if you were hit with something that separately revealed your role, target, and what power you used but not the result.

You're confirming your cop ability didn't have something of that nature?

No, nothing of that nature. Sleeping on it, I think result number two is just the result of a Loud Voyeur type role.

[Seven]

i.e I’m the only JOAT.

Reveal #1 is the normal part of my action
Reveal #2 is from a voyeur/tracker type role
Reveal #4 is from insane/paranoid cop

[Santygrass]

Hihi, sorry for my poor time management these couple days.

I will be here maybe tonight or tomorrow more fully.
I will say that the more Im sitting on it the more petty / tonally bothered that Im am in regards to replying to thea. And I think is playing a part of my mind saying to me that I should cool down and reply later because objectively thea didnt do anything wrong / or very scummy and my lash back is maybe too harsh. So I will apologize in advance

[Santygrass]

To start with, Im ESL so I tend to be overly concious about the possibility of me understanding something incorrectly / my own phrasing words not being correctly communicated (as in, not skill issuing my communication).

So like, "Elemenentary, Dear Watson" is *never* and affirmation. Its a phrase used to *elaborate* . There is never a 'yes' or 'no' implied. Its mostly a phrase used to reply a "why?" . I didnt ask why you are town, mine was an easy question of yes or no.
The quote standalone without elaboration feels empty, with something missing, because its easy to complete it with an *elaboration* for either replying with yes, or no. You didnt reply to my question, which is why. Said you were deflecting. Maybe deflection wasnt the best word there, but the fact was moreso that you didnt really answer.

This is a small point however, but its what irks/bothers me to start with because It's on you .


My main issue however how you are failing to see tha the "lack of people engaging with you" for the ""test"" you were doing, is also entirely your fault. I did engage with you, was at the start trying to push your buttons , something you didnt engage , try to fight or do much with. You just townleaned me without saying why. And now you say that you were suspicious of me rather early. I still am shooketh if you are town of how much do you have you own perception of what happened in thread altered.
I did ask you for your JC read, and you said something super vague without any meat behind or that could expalin why you were having that read. And like, it could be on me, but NO ONE was getting it. I said / questioned about how you were not engaging or pointing out stuff about the reads you had. Did you reply or make something about it?
No. You did not. You simply sit there idle twiddling your thumbs expecting people to go out of their way and try to decipher what you were saying as if it was a side game instead of actually trying to find who was the scum? Again, the lack of engagement It's on you . You didnt make sny effort whatsoever for your own thoughts to be comunnicated or understood, you sat there expecting for the rest to have ti work and decipher them, and like Adum said, they didnt have nothing complex on it, because you were waiting for you to be questioned about them ¿?¿?¿?
You put people on a list and labeled them as sus/town . Did you make any effort for your suspects to be questioned? Again. No!

If you really are masons, both you and your mason Fred provided less content together than most of the other players in thread individually . You saw both of you being sussed, and kept still and did almost nothing, until it was too close to EoD and you claimed the masonry. How didnt you saw that coming. As town you let both of you be suspected for most of D1 and were okay with it, when if true you should know how shitty were consensus reads / direction by your own perspective, yet you didnt show any urgency about it, just kept cool in your own movie quotes test.

[Santygrass]

I skill issued my bold letters code smh.

Thats on me for phoneposting instead of waiting more.

Anyways for the moment I'll just Unvote , pensing for mech stuff to be resolved and Mak implication on it. Dont think they are cleared, but overall Im not that sus of them and I think is probably better to solve or pressure other slots for today

[Santygrass]

Lines apart for better vissibility.

Unvote Mak

[Santygrass]

to be absolutely clear I am NOT claiming to be the joat. I am obviously claiming a PR though, but I starting to realize this game probably is not very mountainous at all so that probably means very little

I do not claim to have any explicit results on anyone. my initial reaction to the day start post was based on a completely erroneous understanding of the timing of my ability and thus the knowledge or partial knowledge I was saying I had is not accurate. I mean I could still be right about what I think happened, but I def do not have the data to make me more confident in the theory that I thought I had

At this point, here's what I see:

Never the play today:

Thea
Fred
Seven

Undecided but would need a good reason to consider them as plays:

JC
Wam
Somi
Moody

OMGUS:

Santy

Plays:

Adum
Bessie

HOWEVER ADUM IS COMPLETELY CONTINGENT ON SEVEN EXPLAINING HOW THEY KNOW THE RESULT IS TAMPERED

At this point I really cannot move on until Seven gives us the juice. We need to resolve the adum situation first and foremost. Seven if you think we are flailing and being destructive please take the wheel and walk us through the possible worlds you see based on your information re: the adum result, it will help ground us

Im just struggling to see how people not have Adum as town here regardless of what the message of SoD says once we saw there was some mech tampered with . Or like, at least from the pov of 'Seven is always town'

This is also in part directed to thea who said that Adum was a good player and could be faking it ¿?¿? And like, with them providing no reason to sus Adum aswell

[Seven]

Santy is your read on Wam based entirely of in thread content? Because I’m like fairly confident he’s scum.

[Santygrass]

Partly feels like Im antivibing with slots that are more likely town based on mech (masons clsiming early) / some previous read (in case of mak).

And sense that my view is similar to Wam. Which is something in a vaccuum makes me feel good about my townread on them? But then by looking at PoE or my read of scum maybe planning to get Adum over today with last message. I feel like they coul be simply mafia and kinda make sense. So im currently with mixed feelings there. And just troubled with the game in general

[Santygrass]

Santy is your read on Wam based entirely of in thread content? Because I’m like fairly confident he’s scum.

Oh lol just answered your question while I was just brainspewing stuff haha.
Gamestate-PoE wise feels likely scum.

Me vibing with the view + read from D1 is town.

Honestly if day ended soon I would just blast Moody. But like, in a non convinced way lets just clean the PoE pool sorta vibe

[Wam]

Santy is your read on Wam based entirely of in thread content? Because I’m like fairly confident he’s scum.

Why?

[AdumbroDeus]

Partly feels like Im antivibing with slots that are more likely town based on mech (masons clsiming early) / some previous read (in case of mak).

And sense that my view is similar to Wam. Which is something in a vaccuum makes me feel good about my townread on them? But then by looking at PoE or my read of scum maybe planning to get Adum over today with last message. I feel like they coul be simply mafia and kinda make sense. So im currently with mixed feelings there. And just troubled with the game in general

Why do you think that last role interaction message was potentially scum out to get me?

[Wam]

So have started this post and got distracted multiple.times this afternoon so apologies for any mistakes.

So I think we can POE this out

Town core
Adum
Seven
Fred
Thea

Possible elim targets
Bessie
JC
Makhaira
Moody
Santygrass
Seven
Somi
Wam

Within the ab

[Wam]

Ebwop I did not mean to post that. Will keep going and finish it!

[Theallieza]

I would liked confirmation that you verified with Madge that she did not make a mistake and that you are neighbors. And your claim is a claim to me, not a confirmation.

If he weren't confirmed, I probably wouldn't have said anything and just let him be eliminated. I do value precision in language, same as you.

I'm kind of ambivalent on bessie at the moment. I think her reaction to how I've been playing so far is fine, bordering on too generous if anything. I don't really understand her push on Fred, and I think it's interesting that she apparently ignored what was by far the scummiest posts of Fred's (those related to him not reading his role) and focused on more flightly concerns. I think it's possible her SoD post was prewritten which I feel is slightly scum indicative. Putting her on scum lean at the moment.

1. Interesting you claim to be ambivalent of me. In your opening paragraph of this post, you claim that you were hoping for people to try to understand your content, and I was the only one who did so and defended it. So I am suspicious of this remark.

I'm pretty sure you said on more than one occasion that you weren't trying to interpret my quotes. I do appreciate you trying to defend me, but I don't necessarily feel that you townreading me here is alignment indicative... I also am mindful that last game you gave me an early townclear when you were mafia and managed to pocket me for the better part of the game.

2. Fred not reading his role has been discussed by others. You want me to cut and paste so that you can accuse me of copying others’ content? And perhaps what is flighty to you is serious to me.

It's something that I feel you would have found interesting and I'm surprised it didn't come up in your commentary on Fred.

3. I don’t know what you mean by SoD. Please link the post.

Start of Day. Your first post of D2.

[Theallieza]

What I know:

• I am Loud Jack of all trades
• The public aspect of my result reveals the name of the role I used, but not who I targeted or what the result of the actions was.
• I used my cop ability N1 on Adum. I privately received the result that Adum is town.

What I am inferring:

• My reveal was the first in the day start post.
• There is a second Loud JOAT that also targeted Adum.
• This second JOAT has their results revealed in the form of who they targeted, but not what role they used or what the result of the action was.
• There is a third Loud investigative (potentially a JOAT, potentially a cop) that is responsible for the fourth reveal in the day start post. Their results reveal in the form of what the result was.

What I am speculating:

• The result that Adum is non-town is false.
• Initially I suspected this was due to a Tailor. Note that the difference between Framer and Tailor is that the former targets a player and alters any investigative results on that player, while the latter targets an investigator and alters that investigator's results only. Therefore, if it is the case that reveal #4 is not a result of my cop, Adum could not have been targeted by a Framer since my private result is in disagreement. It is possible, however, that a Tailor targeted the investigator who is tied to reveal #4.
• Currently, I think that reveal #4 is a result of a Paranoia/Insane modifier rather than a Tailor due to what others have said.

And yes, Mak, I did indeed receive your gift. Thank you.

Okay, this explanation makes sense to me.

Interesting to piece together how many night actions we have that directly or indirectly interacted with Adum to give us this situation. We have:
-You targeting Adum
-Another JoaT targeting Adum. Or a loud tracker/follower type role targeted you.
-A loud cop-type role targeting Adum
-A (presumably) mafia tailor targeting the loud cop.
-Adum claims he was also the target of the night kill.
-Some sort of defensive role targeting Adum

Adum was a very popular person last night and the confluence of events that would allow these specific results is quite unusual.

[Theallieza]

NGL, I think this is misplaced. The issue isn't that what you said isn't understandable (most of the time, you never did get to clarify if sundown was metaphorical or literal and for that day, that day phase, etc), it was the lack of complex thoughts and explanations justifying sentiments conveyed. I don't think your style prevented it either, you just didn't and I think doing that would've led people to engage with you much more.

I don't really agree with this. We played a game a few years back where BoomFrog did nothing but Woof and Grr at people for the better part of D1 and I do not recall it being difficult for people to engage or interact with him despite the lack of complex thought. Maybe I just don't have BoomFrog's genius, but I disagree that it is impossible in principle to engage with someone whose thoughts are very brief.

You were the only person who expressed this concern, and it was in a "I want you to explain all of your reads in more detail" sense, which I wouldn't have done even if I were playing normally. Specific reads, yes, but the whole thing? Not a chance.

Maybe I'll check out the game if it still exists and somebody can link it, but I wonder if boom just did it better mechanically. Similarly to how I think creative use of the quotes would allow you to express more complex thoughts I think.

It was Newbie New Year from ~2012, I think. I think it may be one of the games that bessie managed to salvage from our old site, but I'm not sure.

It may have been an experiment that failed. I found it fun to do and an interesting challenge to find quotes that accurately expressed my thoughts at the time, I think the quality of data that I got out of it was lower than I would have hoped.

[Seven]

I don't really agree with this. We played a game a few years back where BoomFrog did nothing but Woof and Grr at people for the better part of D1 and I do not recall it being difficult for people to engage or interact with him despite the lack of complex thought. Maybe I just don't have BoomFrog's genius, but I disagree that it is impossible in principle to engage with someone whose thoughts are very brief.

You were the only person who expressed this concern, and it was in a "I want you to explain all of your reads in more detail" sense, which I wouldn't have done even if I were playing normally. Specific reads, yes, but the whole thing? Not a chance.

Maybe I'll check out the game if it still exists and somebody can link it, but I wonder if boom just did it better mechanically. Similarly to how I think creative use of the quotes would allow you to express more complex thoughts I think.

It was Newbie New Year from ~2012, I think. I think it may be one of the games that bessie managed to salvage from our old site, but I'm not sure.

It may have been an experiment that failed. I found it fun to do and an interesting challenge to find quotes that accurately expressed my thoughts at the time, I think the quality of data that I got out of it was lower than I would have hoped.

Boom actually did end up having to quit the gambit 3/4ths into D1. And yes we do have the game: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

[Wam]

Yeah but look which idiot was the mod

[Santygrass]

Partly feels like Im antivibing with slots that are more likely town based on mech (masons clsiming early) / some previous read (in case of mak).

And sense that my view is similar to Wam. Which is something in a vaccuum makes me feel good about my townread on them? But then by looking at PoE or my read of scum maybe planning to get Adum over today with last message. I feel like they coul be simply mafia and kinda make sense. So im currently with mixed feelings there. And just troubled with the game in general

Why do you think that last role interaction message was potentially scum out to get me?

Because either you are scum (I dont think this is the case) , or a scum role (either be fake loud poster or tailor or whatever) interacted in some way and provided a red on you.

Its like , fairly obvious thats something scum will latch on to get you yeeted since its best scenario for them (free argument to push without committing on a read+vocal townie out with a yeet. Specially if they tried to kill you like you are theorizing, scum indeed wants you dead.)

[AdumbroDeus]

Partly feels like Im antivibing with slots that are more likely town based on mech (masons clsiming early) / some previous read (in case of mak).

And sense that my view is similar to Wam. Which is something in a vaccuum makes me feel good about my townread on them? But then by looking at PoE or my read of scum maybe planning to get Adum over today with last message. I feel like they coul be simply mafia and kinda make sense. So im currently with mixed feelings there. And just troubled with the game in general

Why do you think that last role interaction message was potentially scum out to get me?

Because either you are scum (I dont think this is the case) , or a scum role (either be fake loud poster or tailor or whatever) interacted in some way and provided a red on you.

Its like , fairly obvious thats something scum will latch on to get you yeeted since its best scenario for them (free argument to push without committing on a read+vocal townie out with a yeet. Specially if they tried to kill you like you are theorizing, scum indeed wants you dead.)

The scum incentive is obvious, I mean mechanically given what we know mechanically and what's been claimed/soft claimed.