Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[Santygrass]

fred has done nothing bessie has done nothing and if we're building winning endgames we cannot throw out town!thea like this, we actually finally have some depth in this game

Bessie has done stuff imo. Dont think enough for me to be okay towning them, but not nearly the same level of nothingness that Fred has provided

[Seven]

love the gusto but you're wrong here, not saying bessie/thea isnt possible but you know thea is elim bait you're better than this

I don't scum read Thea for the bit. I scum read her for her reads.

ok walk me thru whats off

Santy below null when he's obv town. JC high above null. I think it's suspicious that you and bessie also have JC as town.

[AdumbroDeus]

I think the scum team is bessie/Thea/Mak, potentially JC instead of Mak.

Por qué?

And what changed your mind on Wam? What made you think Wam was scum before?

[Santygrass]

Fred/Seven/+1 if I had to make a current solve atm.

Dont think Seven and thea are paired . But thea and Fred are not unpaired

[Makhaira]

I don't scum read Thea for the bit. I scum read her for her reads.

ok walk me thru whats off

Santy below null when he's obv town. JC high above null. I think it's suspicious that you and bessie also have JC as town.

fair on santy point, now im making excuses for the slot but I think paranoia re: santy is warranted, recent replace scumplay shows potency. being real I think this is the first game Ive seen JC like make contributions that actually help him be solved and show he is trying to solve so I think JC townleans are legit here. but I can see from your POV youd expect scum!me to give myself early excuses to not push a slot im historically aggro on

if im with bessie there is no reason for me to bus here or push her in any way you know this

[Santygrass]

And with that Im off to sleep. No way Im going to be around for EoD.

If Im nightkilled my current reads are still around the same to my last ordered list of people.

Sus on Thea/Seven/Fred , there should be the yeet today or I will be mad. Specially if one of my townreads is wagoned *menacing look*

[Makhaira]

And with that Im off to sleep. No way Im going to be around for EoD.

If Im nightkilled my current reads are still around the same to my last ordered list of people.

Sus on Thea/Seven/Fred , there should be the yeet today or I will be mad. Specially if one of my townreads is wagoned *menacing look*

I promise I will kick and scream in thread until deadline to make sure there is a flip

[Santygrass]

Mak, to add on the thea read on me making no sense. Go to their first read image. I was town slightly above null (I was already pushing them) , and their top two townreads were the people I openly advocated to be town on thread (somi and wam). That already threw me off because we also had the same sus in seven, but yet they werent townreading me more haha , I think if it was genuine their readlist I should've been higher there for sure.

But then just dropping me , at the time I was letting thea breathe and voting elsewhere with no explanation or call out is sus af. Thats not paranoia imo, that more potential of a fake read and a progression that just isnt there

[Makhaira]

very willing to believe I am wrong on thea here but like thea over fred is pants on head, Id argue thea over bessie here is also worse EV. anyway point is I want to give thea one more day phase to make good on this bargain and I think yeeting thea here gives scum way harder NK choice economy assuming its town!thea

[AdumbroDeus]

Ok, the angle shooting question was about fredd and it got mod blessed.

I have a theory that I'd like Fredd to answer about before explaining and I was hoping to not explain til I could confirm so it wouldn't affect the answer.

If he doesn't get into thread by 1 I'll explain it.

[AdumbroDeus]

That 1 is EST

[Santygrass]

very willing to believe I am wrong on thea here but like thea over fred is pants on head, Id argue thea over bessie here is also worse EV. anyway point is I want to give thea one more day phase to make good on this bargain and I think yeeting thea here gives scum way harder NK choice economy assuming its town!thea

I am okay with this ftr (since why Im voting Fred atm).

Just making sure I leave it stated the sus on thea for them to be questioned tonorrow. Same on Seven the Wam read/sus is probably fake and they should be held accountable bang bang

[Makhaira]

@Adum ok I think I put my finger on it. so you came into the game with like a little light meta RP, and then you kind of go straight into open question probing. feels like closed handed play, basically not trying to give away intent behind the question to really get a genuine "observation" of slots you probably feel you have less experience with? so you were trying to be sterile and not too emotive in your approach so as not to influence responses to get more of a "raw" take from the slots you were poking? hence the stiffness, or atleast thats the vibe Im picking up in the early game from you

[Santygrass]

Good night, gl everyone

[Makhaira]

Calm down, sugar coma

literally quoting the first post of yours I could find to ping you, get in here ASAP knucklehead deadline is in under 3.5 hours and you're tied in the lead for elim today, imo you should claim but even just you showing up would be a massive improvement

[Makhaira]

@Adum ok I think I put my finger on it. so you came into the game with like a little light meta RP, and then you kind of go straight into open question probing. feels like closed handed play, basically not trying to give away intent behind the question to really get a genuine "observation" of slots you probably feel you have less experience with? so you were trying to be sterile and not too emotive in your approach so as not to influence responses to get more of a "raw" take from the slots you were poking? hence the stiffness, or atleast thats the vibe Im picking up in the early game from you

specifically open-ended question probing is what im getting at here to be clear

[Makhaira]

Bessie posting almost all filler is suss and thea seeming to have a positive reaction to her first post that actually provides slivers of reads set off scum pings for me but that would be strangely obvious buddying for the slot, maybe scum!thea trying to pocket bessie? Or maybe I'm not parsing these quotes correctly

Not true. I posted a Woof-Grr list with reasons. Have you done the same?

@Seven level with me here am I crazy for wanting to yeet bessie on this alone? this is crazy dismissive and clearly shows she is not reading my slot at all

[AdumbroDeus]

very willing to believe I am wrong on thea here but like thea over fred is pants on head, Id argue thea over bessie here is also worse EV. anyway point is I want to give thea one more day phase to make good on this bargain and I think yeeting thea here gives scum way harder NK choice economy assuming its town!thea

It's more because we have no time limit for how long Thea will be like this, but Fredd being pants on head early game and having awesome insight later is as best as I can observe, his pattern. Maybe if Thea responded to my question I'd feel differently.

@Adum ok I think I put my finger on it. so you came into the game with like a little light meta RP, and then you kind of go straight into open question probing. feels like closed handed play, basically not trying to give away intent behind the question to really get a genuine "observation" of slots you probably feel you have less experience with? so you were trying to be sterile and not too emotive in your approach so as not to influence responses to get more of a "raw" take from the slots you were poking? hence the stiffness, or atleast thats the vibe Im picking up in the early game from you

Yep. Well that and not wanting to spoil interactions I was watching that other people were engaging in.

Same reason I didn't say my read of you before.

[Makhaira]

adum you cannot tell me with a straight face you want town!fred in endgame over town!thea

[Makhaira]

thats crazy talk, fred is cool had had some neat ideas last game but like he did a lot of other really questionable shit

[AdumbroDeus]

I think the scum team is bessie/Thea/Mak, potentially JC instead of Mak.

I'm not seeing Mak-scum and would love an explanation.

[Seven]

I think the scum team is bessie/Thea/Mak, potentially JC instead of Mak.

Por qué?

And what changed your mind on Wam? What made you think Wam was scum before?

Previous reasons for voting suspecting Wam:
-Asking me about the solve on the first page seemed tonally off. I actually disagree with your reason for suspecting it. I do think it's something that town!Wam would have asked me after the way I entered the game. My entrance was tonally different from how I entered PYP. It's more about the tone to me. Wam is much more gusto as scum than he is as town, and his getting right into the scum hunting is more indicative of scum!Wam.
-Following Santy's vote on Thea seemed like he was just trying to be consistent with his answer to you. [link]
-He took the worst's aura thing way too seriously and misinterpreted it.
-The line about Santy pocketing him was tonally off.

I've changed my mind after rereading because
-Mak, bessie, and thea are more suspicious.
-The offvibes I was getting from Wam are explainable if he and Santy are neighbors/Masons.
-Upon rereading, I like that he switched votes soon after sheeping Santy. That sort of vote hopping is more town indicative to me.

Regarding Mak/bessie/Thea (Sub: JC)
-For Mak the reads here give me the vibe like they are more meant to position things in the game. Particularly the conservative read on Santy, the generic stiffness regarding your play, and the besse/thea reads. Regarding the former two, I think you and Santy are pretty strongly towny and I think scum are more likely to be reluctant in acknowledging that, in order to keep options open. Regarding the bessie/thea, it's a rather convoluted take. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one or both of them is/are his partners. The thing that really sticks out like a red flag though is his JC read. It's a huge deviation from how Mak has read JC in the past, and I don't think JC has warranted that degree of being town read.

-bessie's content has been very fluffy and she has said some things that are in alignment with my secret scum-bessie meta. I also am having a hard time believing her response to you in her most recent daily bark here.

-Thea is suspicious to me for similar reasons, as the above: her read on Santy and JC don't seem warranted. I get the same positional vibe as I do with Mak's reads.

-JC is actually playing alright so far, just not to the extent that the above three have expressed. I really only have him as a sub because the way these three are reading him is peculiar.

[Makhaira]

seven just flip fred and when its red you wont have to be so paranoid and live in a fun world where me you and JC are all town and get along =)

no pocket I pinky promise double super secret no backsies with a cherry on top

[Makhaira]

like seven seriously same to you, you cannot tell me you take town!fred in melo over town!thea with a straight face

[AdumbroDeus]

thats crazy talk, fred is cool had had some neat ideas last game but like he did a lot of other really questionable shit

If Thea either showed they would use movie quotes to explain complex thoughts or promise sundown was literal (in mafia game days) I'd agree.

If we were to keep Fredd around it would be specifically for his reads.