Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[Santygrass]

i think i'm more scared of rolling opposite alignments to bessie than of like, being read by her. being scumread (especially if it's accurate) only makes me more powerful i'm not like.. that scared of that

@wam why are you conducting your interrogation of me assuming that bessie is town?


i kinda wonder if i actually think thea's reads belong to thea. they're like, a soft reflection of the ~general vibe~ of the thread but i don't feel like they feel that authentic? maybe the somi townread is a little interesting but i think it's fairly easy to find.

maybe i'm interested in more unique perspectives on why people scumread seven. i'm also curious why people other than wam scumread me i guess.

Im waiting for thea to reply to me, but I'll just say I agree with this statement for now, and that JC read was the only outlier from this pattern I found

[Santygrass]

So Fred is claiming that he had not read his role yet before that confirmation post, but he had a profile picture that he says he usually uses as a breadcrumb to his role that he had changed prior to his first post. Confirmed by his post on regards to making sure it wasn't directly tied by the title to what his actual intent was...

Is that right?

If Fred doesnt give a good explanation for this , Im okay with yeeting them today for this sin.

Slightly prefer Thea/Fred wagons. Lowkey also liked how Seven snapped at Fred as well

[Santygrass]

Santy how many wrong wagons are you allowed to be on for it to be fair for you to get yeeted on principle?

I am the embodiment of skill issue please . So, like, maybe thats not the best standard to judge me on. Usually Im way better at townreads (so if I die try to at least sheep my trs for a phase) and overall WIM that makes me a dangerous townie for wolves. In fact in champs I was mostly wrong after catching one wolf, but lived long enough to be able to reassess on my wrong pov and get the last two back to back~


But also, dont think I'll live long enough to gather paranoia and that be a worry

[Santygrass]

I'm here for a good time not a long time

[Santygrass]

@makhaira what is your idea of my scumrange btw?

And also would appreciate elaboration on your opinion/read on Adum

[madge]

Okay sorry for not doing my modly duties the past few days, my partner was running an ultramarathon (100k/~60mi) and I had a busy day besides, but also punctuated with lots of broken up sleep and whatnot. I'm back and ready to post the votals - let me know if there are errors.


Votals:
the worst - 1 (wam)
moody - 1 (adum)
Thea - 1 (santy)
Seven - 1 (the worst)
Fred - 2 (Seven, mak)

With 12 players alive it's 7 votes to hammer.

Deadline for D1 will be 4 PM China time, 3 AM US eastern, 8 AM UTC, all on the 5th of November. That is approximately 1 day and 3 hours from now.

See countdown: https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/6 ... -countdown

[Makhaira]

Santy how many wrong wagons are you allowed to be on for it to be fair for you to get yeeted on principle?

I am the embodiment of skill issue please . So, like, maybe thats not the best standard to judge me on. Usually Im way better at townreads (so if I die try to at least sheep my trs for a phase) and overall WIM that makes me a dangerous townie for wolves. In fact in champs I was mostly wrong after catching one wolf, but lived long enough to be able to reassess on my wrong pov and get the last two back to back~


But also, dont think I'll live long enough to gather paranoia and that be a worry

crazy how nonresponsive this is lmao

[Makhaira]

My "idea" of your range is still under development but the dataset is largely your replacement play in the only game we've played together

Yes I understand the irony of how nonresponsive this is

[Makhaira]

Adum is a vibe/tone read but I'm a little out of practice on reading Adum

[Makhaira]

Awwww ewwww this is a plurality game how lame

[Santygrass]

Santy how many wrong wagons are you allowed to be on for it to be fair for you to get yeeted on principle?

I am the embodiment of skill issue please . So, like, maybe thats not the best standard to judge me on. Usually Im way better at townreads (so if I die try to at least sheep my trs for a phase) and overall WIM that makes me a dangerous townie for wolves. In fact in champs I was mostly wrong after catching one wolf, but lived long enough to be able to reassess on my wrong pov and get the last two back to back~


But also, dont think I'll live long enough to gather paranoia and that be a worry

crazy how nonresponsive this is lmao

Its nonresponsive because there isnt a number of wagons being wrong that are "okay/understandable" to yeet me on principle that are different from any other player tbh

[Theallieza]

Why is JC above null?

The Dude abides.

[AdumbroDeus]

Probably coming through subconsciously in my posting not deliberately. but pocketing would be in a situation of scum santy not town santy so I have implied both there.

Don't be obtuse please. Being paranoid about being pocketed implies you already have a townread on somebody but being paranoid about it. Accusing somebody of pocketing you/trying is not the same thing.

Town lean is mainly gut feel but I think the below show a bit of a giving opions clearly and not.caring what others think attitude which to me is town.

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78499#p78499

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78502#p78502

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78607#p78607

Not unreasonable.

[Theallieza]

I wonder if certain aspects of the chosen signaling system restricting its ability to transmit the intended message clearly and accurately could contribute this percieved failure and I would like to hear your opinion on the matter.

You are too close to the truth to be truly funny, sir. But I like your sense of humor.

[Theallieza]

Not immediately but when you feel both have sufficiently answered your questions could you explaining your thought process behind this question.

Level of seriesness, why you chose them, etc.

Because seven normally has a solve based on nothing right now and I think town seven is more likely to throw an actual answer back.

Santy because I trust their instincts and I was interested if they had anything yet. Insert paranoia about santy pocketing me.

vote thea

I asked the question should accept the answer.

This answer doesn't make me feel better about the question at all.

While Seven does tend to create scumreads based on wild theories relatively early in the game, I don't think it's been a solve this early AND this has been a pretty low info game which makes it even less likely.

And Santy is new to the forum, I can't see expecting this meta period.

This reads as setting up an impossible standard and I don't see a town motivation for that.

Plus I don't like sheeping in reaction to being questioned on this, even if it's explained (some of it implicitly).

I also reviewed pyp and dancers and it really doesn't match well with their town behavior.

Wam's my top elim pick at the moment.

(I'll note that this is separate from my reads of Santy, who I want to wait for their conversation with Laser aka Thea to percolate more, and Seven who I'm hoping for more after they feel better)

This guy knows what he's talking about.

[Theallieza]

Confirm.

An effort to correct a past mistake. Acceptable because he is a relative newbie to the game. Would be unacceptable from an experienced player.

Actually that was a genuine confirm, hadn't read my role until then

Now why on Earth would you want to do that?

[AdumbroDeus]

Mobileposting, so formating is going to suck a bit.

@AdumbroDeus what makes you think that Wam was trying lay misyeet traps for Seven or me? I see zero indication of that (They townleaned me, and are not jumping on sussing Seven despite it being something easy to jump on)

And I think going by meta of 'if you did this before is okay, and if its something new then your scum' is like, not good as an analysis of a player. Feels almost reductive to game context and nuances and how easily can shift a player. I am a very adaptive player myself and have seen countless times these time of "meta" reads just be wrong.
I say lolmeta because I sont trust them to be accurate in most scenarios (there are instances in where I do trust them, or use them to compliment a read. But usually weight them more if there is history of those players playing together and having good accuracy at finding each other)


For the reply to the second part quoted. Why it being a ridiculous request is scummy? I dont get it.
I like how it was made and the interactions and desire to progress. Look at the worst posting 'who is mafia?' for example. In a vaccuum is the same thing, asking for people to tell who they think is scum, just more open ended and very skippable. Wam created a back and forth, and had the intention that if they got something, to support it. Why is that scummy?

You can disagree with the boldneds being AI or depending in playerstyle, but still the reason for scumreading it you are giving seems very flawed to me. Almost like you are already scumreading them and just want to make reasons so it fits / backwards process.

And for the last part, I also read people empathizing with how they are approaching the game / solving. Its kinda what I did to Wam and see the intention of their question + vote afterwards adding up and how I ended up townreading them

I'm gonna resist the urge to exchange walls with you cause I don't think it will help anymore. I don't think you're giving my thought process a fair shake because it doesn't match with how you think about the game and that isn't AI.

I know you're lolmeta, but it's similar to how I addressed a similarly subtle issue with Thea aka laser last Halloween game (who I should've stuck on but que será será). So if you want to understand my approach, worth looking there.

Laying a mis-elim trap doesn't mean it worked (neither of you tried to make a full solve) and doesn't mean it was intended to bear fruit immediately. The fundamental issue is the incentives and lack of a motivational explaination for a more experienced player, and I don't find the counters convincing.

And I don't think you understood what I was saying about meta, eliminating for all/none in a given alignment via counter-examples. Nuance is why I said "inherently".

[AdumbroDeus]

Vote: Wam

We have about a day left til deadline.

On Freddino, I had a town lean on for response to me but he's claiming he hasn't read his role til after then.

The thing that complicates things is his lying last game and his unusual thought process to the game in general, so I'm genuinely unsure what to make of this alignment-wise.

[Makhaira]

I am the embodiment of skill issue please . So, like, maybe thats not the best standard to judge me on. Usually Im way better at townreads (so if I die try to at least sheep my trs for a phase) and overall WIM that makes me a dangerous townie for wolves. In fact in champs I was mostly wrong after catching one wolf, but lived long enough to be able to reassess on my wrong pov and get the last two back to back~


But also, dont think I'll live long enough to gather paranoia and that be a worry

crazy how nonresponsive this is lmao

Its nonresponsive because there isnt a number of wagons being wrong that are "okay/understandable" to yeet me on principle that are different from any other player tbh

This is a fair point but I wasn't asking you to give some universal answer but more was trying to see how confident you were feeling about this game/playerlist in the moment. I agree the "correct" answer is "nuance" but that kind of answer is a bit evasive. But even that does atleast partially answer my question. Not going to press the issue but I'll the leave door open if there more you think would be probative about the discussion

Adum is right tho this day phase flex by probably because I was drunk for like half of it

@Adum give me the tl;dr sell on wam wagon. Also do you agree or not with Fred and Worst being considered here? If I'm being inclusive maybe bessie too? I think thea we have to play a wait and see game to determine if it's a commit to the bit situation or if it's an interitive restriction of some kind

I will have availability tomorrow afternoon for sure but it may be a bit sporadic. But yeah giddy up people we need to get the game moving

[Makhaira]

Flex for flew is the craziest autocorrect lol

[Makhaira]

And iterative*

jfc I just flew across the country I'm going to bed

[Theallieza]

Vote: Wam

We have about a day left til deadline.

Time is strange. A moment can be as short as a breath or as long as eternity. Don't linger. (I will be out for the evening tomorrow and most likely won't be around at deadline for much more than a vote.)

[Freddino18]

Vote: Wam

We have about a day left til deadline.

On Freddino, I had a town lean on for response to me but he's claiming he hasn't read his role til after then.

The thing that complicates things is his lying last game and his unusual thought process to the game in general, so I'm genuinely unsure what to make of this alignment-wise.

Helpful tip: If it's funny, I do it. Absolutely cackling last game.

[moody7277]

Awwww ewwww this is a plurality game how lame

Considering what Madge said she went through in Dancers, it wasn't likely to be anything but (even if she was scum).

Vote: Fred

[Wam]

Readslist incoming, written on a phone on a train so probably even worse grammar and spelling than my normal.posts!

Town

Adum - town
I actually think they are town but misguided town. Don't think scum adum picks that but if my play to push for a mis elim and pushes that hard.

Santy - lean town
See previous post

Somi - lean town
Generally a gut read but feels involved

Jc - lean town
I'm seeing more effort to.solve from Jc this game.

Makhaira -lean town
Mixed but generally think they are trying to solve.

Thea - lean town

Been quiet on what I think of the film quotes. As someone who has played a lot.with boomfrog I'm assuming it's a similar gambit. Do something odd wait for response. Think this is more likely to be town Thea beacause scum Thea would want to blend better. My previous vote was I reckoned scum Thea may drop the act if enough pressure was applied. Given they ignored it think it's good.

Neutral
Bessie - neutral
There is very little content by bessies usual standards.

Moody - neutral
Weird one for me. Going into this reread/iso my impression was that moody hadn't posted much. Having done the iso there.is much more.contwnt than I had remembered so not sure why it didn't go in my brain! Buy looking at what is there not much oringial so staying neutral

Seven - neutral

Seven has felt very quiet by.their normal standards I'm.chalking this up.to the illness they flagged and will reasses day2 if I'm still here.


Scum

The worst - scum
I have explained my reasoning earlier nothing has changed my mind. @the worst who are your reads?

Weird/probably scummy
Fred

So.adding onto the issues highlighted by JC here

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78682#p78682

Fred had 4 posts in thread before his confirm

1. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78433#p78433 direct response to a ping showing votals so knew game.had started.

2 https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78505#p78505

3. https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78507#p78507

4.
https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=78509#p78509

So why on earth did they feel.i necessary to confirm......

1st choice elim for me is still the worst, 2nd choice is the worst. Would take a lot.for me to look outside those two.