Halloween 2024: The Time Travellers' Party [D2]

[somitomi]

You would only be worried about bessie aura reading you if your aura is scummy

Good point

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

I wonder if certain aspects of the chosen signaling system restricting its ability to transmit the intended message clearly and accurately could contribute this percieved failure and I would like to hear your opinion on the matter.

[JC_DADDY25]

I think the question should be how long is Thea going to keep this up?

Do you think what thea is doing is alignment indicative ?

I do not.

[bessie]

Morning woof!

Or we could discuss science fiction in general, I just finished reading a book called Space Opera, it's about a universe that decided, in lieu of war, every resource dispute should be solved with a grand music competition. It has a very Douglas Adams vibe, it has a species that are basically time traveling red pandas. Well, sort of, the exist at all points of their personal timeline including "roads not taken" simultaneously, which I think is a fucking rad idea. (too bad I finished it too late to throw it in the suggestion box )

I am intrigued and may have to read this book. The characters in Finnegans Wake (one of my favorite books) exist at all points in time simultaneously.

Bessie having me + my 2 townreads at the top of their readlist. The confimation post analysis having goated results??? Hype .

I think the point of Seven expecting bessie analysis but also not making a post for bessie to analyse is a good insight.

Confirmation post analysis is the way.

Santy, I'm town but I have a fever/have been sick in bed all day. I'm just going to sheep you for now.

I would like to award -1 for this town claim, but I understand being sick as I am currently having issues with allergies. Noting this for now.

Outstanding flavour

hey y'all who's mafia?

Not acceptable as a confirmation post, but I like it. Acknowledges the hard work put in by the Mod in creating an enjoyable experience for the players (even though she is scum), and gets to the point of scumhunting with a direct, concise statement.

Can confirm I'm scared of Bessie

vote: Seven

Would also vote Bessie but it'd be entirely in the hopes she is scared back

Voting for scum, sensible choice. And I’m scared of a lot of things including spiders, the dark, and people, but a vote isn’t one of them.

Confirm.

An effort to correct a past mistake. Acceptable because he is a relative newbie to the game. Would be unacceptable from an experienced player.

You too?
Well, look what it got us, he switched to... someone from Power Rangers apparently.

Suspicious for the same reason it was suspicious when Seven did it.

Prod received, didn't realize game started im at a bachelor party this weekend and have been drunk for roughly 24 hours going for 48 see you guys after the hangover

Acceptable opening post. Some forum meta for Santy. On xkcd we are very accommodating with real life excuses or issues that may affect posting and assume that any IRL post content is truthful unless there is a reason to suspect otherwise.
And as compensation, I expect great things from Makhaira on Monday.

It's like an aura read thing, she's very powerful

I like the worst’s astute powers of observation.

You would only be worried about bessie aura reading you if your aura is scummy

Why scummy? Why not respectful?

[JC_DADDY25]

Why is JC above null?

Do you feel I should be below?

If so, why do you feel that way?

[AdumbroDeus]

Prod received, didn't realize game started im at a bachelor party this weekend and have been drunk for roughly 24 hours going for 48 see you guys after the hangover

Adum probably already fake claimed or something

Vote: Adum

Bro, you're confusing me for Seven. But I'm sure I can make up a fakeclaim if you really want!

Or we could discuss science fiction in general, I just finished reading a book called Space Opera, it's about a universe that decided, in lieu of war, every resource dispute should be solved with a grand music competition. It has a very Douglas Adams vibe, it has a species that are basically time traveling red pandas. Well, sort of, the exist at all points of their personal timeline including "roads not taken" simultaneously, which I think is a fucking rad idea. (too bad I finished it too late to throw it in the suggestion box )

I am intrigued and may have to read this book. The characters in Finnegans Wake (one of my favorite books) exist at all points in time simultaneously.

I'm a big fan of Finnegan's Wake too! Joyce right?

[AdumbroDeus]

And I do definitely recommend space opera, and not just because I'm planning on referencing the Keshet from that book all good...

(The pandas that exist at every point of their timeline simultaneously)

[AdumbroDeus]

So @seven what's the solve?

@Santy same question

Not immediately but when you feel both have sufficiently answered your questions could you explaining your thought process behind this question.

Level of seriesness, why you chose them, etc.

Because seven normally has a solve based on nothing right now and I think town seven is more likely to throw an actual answer back.

Santy because I trust their instincts and I was interested if they had anything yet. Insert paranoia about santy pocketing me.

vote thea

I asked the question should accept the answer.

This answer doesn't make me feel better about the question at all.

While Seven does tend to create scumreads based on wild theories relatively early in the game, I don't think it's been a solve this early AND this has been a pretty low info game which makes it even less likely.

And Santy is new to the forum, I can't see expecting this meta period.

This reads as setting up an impossible standard and I don't see a town motivation for that.

Plus I don't like sheeping in reaction to being questioned on this, even if it's explained (some of it implicitly).

I also reviewed pyp and dancers and it really doesn't match well with their town behavior.

Wam's my top elim pick at the moment.

(I'll note that this is separate from my reads of Santy, who I want to wait for their conversation with Laser aka Thea to percolate more, and Seven who I'm hoping for more after they feel better)

[moody7277]

unvote

Vote the worst

You would only be worried about bessie aura reading you if your aura is scummy

unvote

And that ends my personal RVS, YMMV. Guess I'll have to hunker down and try to squeeze something out for reads. Plus I don't know if the worst has played with bessie enough to know she doesn't do those as she declared in Dancers.

[bessie]

I'm a big fan of Finnegan's Wake too! Joyce right?

Yep! And to say that I am a Joyce fanatic would be an understatement!

Page 1 of one of my copies of Finnegans Wake.

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[somitomi]

You too?
Well, look what it got us, he switched to... someone from Power Rangers apparently.

Suspicious for the same reason it was suspicious when Seven did it.

I disagree for the same reason I did when Seven did it.

Why scummy? Why not respectful?

I'm gonna let wam answer this, but let the record show that I think the answer is obvious.

Page 1 of one of my copies of Finnegans Wake.

Holy smokes what happened to your book? Did you do this to it!?

[moody7277]

Adum-- lot of searching for motivations for questioners, has focused down on wam recently as most scummy. +2.5

bessie-- votes Madge (and Bessie never ever random votes), woof-grr list mostly fun, post quoting most players. +1

Fred-- discussion of first pfp choice, then switches, mostly fluff so far. -0.5

JC-- interested in Thea's post restriction (NAI), asks Thea about her read of him. +0.5

Mak-- votes Adum. insufficient data

Santy-- setup spec about multiball, asks Thea if she's town, votes for her later, asks Seven for past mod perspective on win con, points out lurkers, leans wam and somi town, asks Seven for reads, explanation of somi and wam reads, likes agreeing with Bessie. +1.5

Seven-- also wanted conf post analysis, wincon phrasing standard, avatar analysis of Fred (someone had to), votes Thea along with Santy +0.5

somi-- asks Santy about multiball, concurs with Seven on wincon phrasing, asks Thea about post restriction, distrust of Seven (and so it begins), likes Adum. +1

the worst-- some fluff, scared of Bessie (who isn't), votes Seven, asks Mak about vote on Adum. +0.5

Thea-- has decided to post in movie quotes, which makes her a bit oracular, likes Bessie's reads post, reads chart for most players with worst and Seven most scummy. +0.5

wam-- RV Madge, agrees on multiball, asks Seven and Santy to solve, answers Adum about reasons behind his question, votes Thea, asks JC about Thea's posting, switches vote to the worst. +0.5

@wam: How much more experience with Santy than Dancers do you have? It doesn't seem to me like you'd have enough to have "instincts" about them.

@bessie: IIRC the last sentence fragment of Finnegan's Wake blends into the first one, right?

[AdumbroDeus]

I'm a big fan of Finnegan's Wake too! Joyce right?

Yep! And to say that I am a Joyce fanatic would be an understatement!

Page 1 of one of my copies of Finnegans Wake.


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One of us, one of us!

I'm only disappointed you didn't mention this earlier!

Page 1 of one of my copies of Finnegans Wake.

Holy smokes what happened to your book? Did you do this to it!?

Note that she says "one of my copies", that's a copy for highlighting important things, making notes and the like. She likely has at least one pristine copy, it is after all one of her favorite books.

[Seven]

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bessie got me these a few years ago. Progress is going well. In that time, I've made it a page through Finnegan's wake and two pages through Ulysses.

[Santygrass]

Why is JC above null?

Do you feel I should be below?

If so, why do you feel that way?

Was waiting for thea to answer me first but I feel impatient and probs I will forget if I dont answer now.
To me, with the content you posted in thread you're hard null, not above or null. So I want to see what made thea have that read on you, and not have a particular read on some other people that posted more

[Santygrass]

And Santy is new to the forum, I can't see expecting this meta period.

This reads as setting up an impossible standard and I don't see a town motivation for that.

Plus I don't like sheeping in reaction to being questioned on this, even if it's explained (some of it implicitly).

I also reviewed pyp and dancers and it really doesn't match well with their town behavior.

Wam's my top elim pick at the moment.

(I'll note that this is separate from my reads of Santy, who I want to wait for their conversation with Laser aka Thea to percolate more, and Seven who I'm hoping for more after they feel better)

I think that categorizing me as someone "new to the forum" is fairly reductive. Like, even in dancers it was aware of my range / that I was a good wolf / player in general. But Im interested in bolded. Can you elaborate on that?

[Santygrass]

No pfp change + scummy focus (trying to rolehunt rather than solve alignments)

As for thea is just vibes not vibing. But if I need to put some other words aparts from failing the simple answer to the are you town question, is that they feel particularly boxed/stiff when talking, and making post just to have some sort of 'presence' than I usually see is more wolf shaped

Seems perfectly normal to think about what Fred's avatar means after he said it's always some secret breadcrumb thing, but it's possible I'm biased because I had done that a bit. I agree with your assessment of Thea though, this is rather active lurky

Speaking of posts I forgot to address :wowee:

Anyways what you say is fair, like I dont think having that thought process or focus is scum indicative in a vaccuum. But looking at context, that being the only "read" seven is having on the game, and the thought process only throwing some sort of role indicative answer and nothing in regards to alignment is what is more scummy than towny tbh

[Santygrass]

Thea-- has decided to post in movie quotes, which makes her a bit oracular, likes Bessie's reads post, reads chart for most players with worst and Seven most scummy. +0.5

Moody, where does the +0.5 come from this sort of assesments on the play so far? I feel like you summarized some things thea has done, but all are things that are NAI and just slotted a positive result , or are not comunicating what did you make slightly like thea here

[Santygrass]

Fred-- discussion of first pfp choice, then switches, mostly fluff so far. -0.5

Also, the negative from Fred comes from the pfp switch, or the fluff posts? If the latter is answer , why Adum fluff posts are like not mentioned at all in your overview/weighted?

[somitomi]

Speaking of posts I forgot to address :wowee:

Anyways what you say is fair, like I dont think having that thought process or focus is scum indicative in a vaccuum. But looking at context, that being the only "read" seven is having on the game, and the thought process only throwing some sort of role indicative answer and nothing in regards to alignment is what is more scummy than towny tbh

All right, that line of thought makes sense.

[moody7277]

Thea-- has decided to post in movie quotes, which makes her a bit oracular, likes Bessie's reads post, reads chart for most players with worst and Seven most scummy. +0.5

Moody, where does the +0.5 come from this sort of assesments on the play so far? I feel like you summarized some things thea has done, but all are things that are NAI and just slotted a positive result , or are not comunicating what did you make slightly like thea here

Bold mine. That is why Thea is only at a +0.5, which is just barely town leaning, because it isn't indicative one way or the other. My +/- grades on people are like Thea's chart, except without the artistic talent.

Fred-- discussion of first pfp choice, then switches, mostly fluff so far. -0.5

Also, the negative from Fred comes from the pfp switch, or the fluff posts? If the latter is answer , why Adum fluff posts are like not mentioned at all in your overview/weighted?

Bold mine. Adum exploring the motivation of the people who were slinging questions I feel is a much more townie activity than any fluff might be scummy. What I've seen from Fred so far is reactions to people trying to puzzle out his avatar.

[AdumbroDeus]

And Santy is new to the forum, I can't see expecting this meta period.

This reads as setting up an impossible standard and I don't see a town motivation for that.

Plus I don't like sheeping in reaction to being questioned on this, even if it's explained (some of it implicitly).

I also reviewed pyp and dancers and it really doesn't match well with their town behavior.

Wam's my top elim pick at the moment.

(I'll note that this is separate from my reads of Santy, who I want to wait for their conversation with Laser aka Thea to percolate more, and Seven who I'm hoping for more after they feel better)

I think that categorizing me as someone "new to the forum" is fairly reductive. Like, even in dancers it was aware of my range / that I was a good wolf / player in general. But Im interested in bolded. Can you elaborate on that?

I'm not talking about range, just pure meta. Even if you are a player who tends to draw really wide ranging conclusions (bad or good) based on really limited information he'd have no way to know.

That way you'd be able to compare their attempted solves to past solves and get an idea of if they're playing organically with their thought process.

The reason for the bold is was to look if Wam had a habit of asking these types of questions as town and meta >all in terms of understanding motivations for behavior.

[Santygrass]

Thea-- has decided to post in movie quotes, which makes her a bit oracular, likes Bessie's reads post, reads chart for most players with worst and Seven most scummy. +0.5

Moody, where does the +0.5 come from this sort of assesments on the play so far? I feel like you summarized some things thea has done, but all are things that are NAI and just slotted a positive result , or are not comunicating what did you make slightly like thea here

Bold mine. That is why Thea is only at a +0.5, which is just barely town leaning, because it isn't indicative one way or the other. My +/- grades on people are like Thea's chart, except without the artistic talent.

I still dont think this answered my question. You bolded what I thought was you saying thea summary was NAI , you confirmed it. The question still stands, what is that thea posted that made you slightly town lean her?

[Santygrass]

And Santy is new to the forum, I can't see expecting this meta period.

This reads as setting up an impossible standard and I don't see a town motivation for that.

Plus I don't like sheeping in reaction to being questioned on this, even if it's explained (some of it implicitly).

I also reviewed pyp and dancers and it really doesn't match well with their town behavior.

Wam's my top elim pick at the moment.

(I'll note that this is separate from my reads of Santy, who I want to wait for their conversation with Laser aka Thea to percolate more, and Seven who I'm hoping for more after they feel better)

I think that categorizing me as someone "new to the forum" is fairly reductive. Like, even in dancers it was aware of my range / that I was a good wolf / player in general. But Im interested in bolded. Can you elaborate on that?

I'm not talking about range, just pure meta. Even if you are a player who tends to draw really wide ranging conclusions (bad or good) based on really limited information he'd have no way to know.

That way you'd be able to compare their attempted solves to past solves and get an idea of if they're playing organically with their thought process.

The reason for the bold is was to look if Wam had a habit of asking these types of questions as town and meta >all in terms of understanding motivations for behavior.

For the first part I get that your point is that wam question would be moot / not really be conclusive if they wanted to solve me / see if my solve was organic right? Unless Im misindurstanding.

Which is something I agree, but at the same time I dont think that was Wam intention when asking me or seven at all haha~ . Like they werent looking for solving me or seven in specific, but rather to have a direction to throw something, hence why those elections, which makes sense approach wise with how afterwards they just took my answer and rolled with it (voting thea).

I think its motivation to progress in thread that is having a slow start + the interaction with me and seven I see something as rather bold and overall Im townleaning the approach in particular here.

Also Im a very stalwart preacher of lolmeta, but you may have something in regards to last paragraph to keep in mind. And would have more weight if people who played more with wam can confirm this is an oddity , or something that is more common in their wolf game rather than town game

[moody7277]

Moody, where does the +0.5 come from this sort of assesments on the play so far? I feel like you summarized some things thea has done, but all are things that are NAI and just slotted a positive result , or are not comunicating what did you make slightly like thea here

Bold mine. That is why Thea is only at a +0.5, which is just barely town leaning, because it isn't indicative one way or the other. My +/- grades on people are like Thea's chart, except without the artistic talent.

I still dont think this answered my question. You bolded what I thought was you saying thea summary was NAI , you confirmed it. The question still stands, what is that thea posted that made you slightly town lean her?

The whole self-imposed post restriction is attention grabbing, which I would think is contra-indicated for scum. Gun to my head, I'd say it's Thea's positive reaction to bessie's reads list. Then again, +0.5 is the least possible town lean in my system.

[AdumbroDeus]

For the first part I get that your point is that wam question would be moot / not really be conclusive if they wanted to solve me / see if my solve was organic right? Unless Im misindurstanding.

Yep, and specifically if it's something you normally did in this stage in the game so comparison for organicness could be done.

Even for seven I don't think it had value for sorting. I do think it had value for laying misyeet traps for at least one of you.

Which is something I agree, but at the same time I dont think that was Wam intention when asking me or seven at all haha~ . Like they werent looking for solving me or seven in specific, but rather to have a direction to throw something, hence why those elections, which makes sense approach wise with how afterwards they just took my answer and rolled with it (voting thea).

I think its motivation to progress in thread that is having a slow start + the interaction with me and seven I see something as rather bold and overall Im townleaning the approach in particular here.

Disagree, a solve is a solve. Consider that you might be giving too much benefit of the doubt for the same reason I find it scummy, because on it's face, it's a ridiculous request.

Whether being bold is AI depends on the player, Wam is past that from my fly on the wall estimation of his play. "Starting discussion" again isn't AI, even if town does get value generally. Discussion is a tool to be used to create information to sort. I don't see the town incentive for the question and when pressed further I don't see a town motivation.

Also Im a very stalwart preacher of lolmeta, but you may have something in regards to last paragraph to keep in mind. And would have more weight if people who played more with wam can confirm this is an oddity , or something that is more common in their wolf game rather than town game

It's more being used as a negative here, if they do this as town (or more generally ask questions that are meaningless or even help scum more than town) just to get the ball rolling, it's not AI inherently.

But in general my play style is trying to get into people's head and understanding their thought process to discern motivations so meta>all because it's confirmed "how somebody thinks in a given role".