I'm writing this post overnight, but will try to add any immediate thoughts on overnight happenings
at the end.in my next post, to avoid this getting too long.
Public service comment to The Snide Sniper and patzer: do not put someone at L-1 (i.e. 1 vote off hammer), unless there's a risk of a tie, as it a) risks mistakes like patzer's apparent mistaken hammer, and b) reduces the risk of scum deliberately hammering to cut short the day. If you wish to express internet without placing a vote, and there's no strong need for the vote, just state who you'd vote for explicitly.
I don't think patzer's hammer was deliberate for two reasons. Firstly, the timestamps of their and TSS's post are the same, so ninja is quite plausible. Secondly, if it had been deliberate, it would be strictly against the rules for him to make his follow-up post confirming the hammer, I believe (actually, some would even argue that her follow-up post had more than was reasonable for a post-hammer post). That being said, patzer has played before, so should know that L-1 is a dodgy point to put us in when there's no strong need, so some scum points there.
Finishing off the reads:
wam:
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Post 1: Votes Sabrar (D1 tradition), LG leans are early, but doesn't disagree, although points out not to trust BF.
Post 2: Ebwop to clarify the previous post.
Post 3: Asks heury why he asked somi for his opinion. Gives point to BF for noticing mod vote, -1 all else. Joke switches vote to Madge then unvotes. Thinks BF gambit/non-gambit is NAI; LG seems like usual LG, if a bit faster with reads (NAI); huery is more involved, thinks town indication.
Post 4: Challenges heury suggesting pretending to play town meta will be too hard.
Post 5: Asks HA why TSS won't be vote.
Post 6: Heury more active than his scum game with him. Not liking recent content though. Stands by giving BF town points for mod vote comments. Challenges moody re -0.5 for wam factor. Challenges HA for why TSS content shows them not scum. Has TSS at null.
Post 7: Giving somi town lean for vote to catch HA's attention, and doesn't think scum!somi would be so pushy. Would be surprised if mod vote valid. Thinks scum is in group {patzer, TSS, heury}. Has me, BF, LG, somi in town group.
Post 8: Explains scum read of TSS, getting vibe of newbie scum trying to make reads list without showing TMI, missing what expected from newbie town.
Post 9: Wondering why Suzaku read of patzer not stronger scum read.
Post 10: asks Suzaku to expand bessie read.
Post 11: Clarifies Suzaku question re. patzer.
Post 12: Asks patzer re. activity town; waiting for my case on TSS.
Post 13: Agrees with LG re. heury everyone town. Thought I was reaction fishing.
Post 14: Concerned Heury elim feels easy. But still thinks Heury is scum, and considering multiple factions could mean no support for scum. Reads list: me town (reaction fishing, doesn't think I pivot to LG); LG town (tunnelling matches meta, and putting good pressure); Suzaku town (posts are townie, but could be leaving options open); somitomi town (thinks scum somi would keep quieter); BF town lean (comes across as town, but seen BF able to fake it); moody town lean (some good points, but wants updated reads list); bessie neutral (difficult reads, and D1 pass); TSS scum lean (earlier reads list scum vibes, later better, but could still be scum newbie); patzer scum (disagree with activity levels usage, scum!patzer has potential LG partner - pings should trump activity); HA scum (odd posts even on re-read); Votes HA, giving TSS D1 newbie pass.
Post 15: L-3.
Post 16: Around for deadline, worried thread is dead.
Post 17: Questions why LG not planning on voting.
On The Snide Sniper: most of wam's early comments related to The Snide Sniper are by way of challenging or asking about heury's comments about him. He initially places TSS as null, but this slides to scum fairly easily, in my opinion. I'd view this more negatively, but his initial neutral read is after my vote. He also winds it back and is happy to give TSS a newbie pass, when he could have potentially have kept the pressure on for longer himself. I don't think scum!wam would have backed down, as there was no real reason to, unless he's buddies with The Snide Sniper.
I've tended to agree with a lot of what wam has said and done during the game. A lot of his pressure, especially around heuristically_alone pre-empted things I would have done had I been around at the right time. The only issue I really have with him is the relative limit of interactions with others outside of heuristically_alone. Likely Town.
bessie:
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Post 1: Welcomes TSS, remembers patzer, asks BF why need to feed Madge ego, and why not spoken about her (bessie). Asks HA to explain reasoning re. my question coming from town mindset (doesn't agree). Doesn't do RVS.
Post 2: remembers BF has pulled gambit as mafia, but can't remember details. Thinks BF decides gambits before game. Asks HA how this impacts his view of BF in this game. I say we too many times in my first post, asks HA why it couldn't come from mafia mindset. Finds HA mindset interesting.
Post 3: somitomi avoided answering heury's question - negative; reminded moody why researched BF meta; asks me what I thought about wam's removal of his vote and votes Madge. Reminds me re. heury was mafia in High School Halloween, not SK. Repeats somitomi didn't answer heury's question.
Post 4: promises reads and analysis at weekend. @TSS - participating is positive, scum can do reads too. BF''s gambits are NAI. Apologises for missing somi's response and asks for more reads. Disappointed by mod vote not showing up. Setup spec of 7 town, 2 mafia, 1 survivor, 1 cult. Is a reactive player. somitomi's content is much same style, but Suzaku not having issues there. Mod vote was to test seriousness. Noted 19 member Pizzazz Facebook group (seems forced). Thinks TSS is playing like a newbie, expecting game to be more casual; not on her elimination list for today.
Post 5: Likes to think she plays the same regardless of alignment, doesn't think meta excuse not to read her, especially when there are other consistent players. Sees my Pizzazz group comment. Asks somi whether he thinks mafia!heury could be that cheeky. Will come back to BF question re. flavour for scum groups. Thoughts match LG re. TSS town tell, doesn't understand why BF convinced. Been thinking about use of we. Newbie paranoia dependent on player. TSS newbie read stronger than any alignment reading. Not liking HA's reads, especially wam read due to asking about meta to support read, but not using it, and not acknowledging her earlier response re. BF meta. Asks HA if he has any actual scum reads/BF reason. patzer has more content to reevaluate reads. Also surprised by my agreement re. TSS town. Asks me how likely anyone would bus a teammate in this setup. Encourages TSS, suggesting they just give thoughts as they have them.
Post 6: don't change spoiler tags, please.
Post 7: Answers flavour question, matching my setup thoughts.
Post 8: Suzaku can ask her questions if they would help. Disagrees with Suzaku re. we. Not around for deadline, asks for questions to come earlier. Asks somitomi re. reconciling remarks with having TSS/heury at bottom of list. Posts ordered list without further explanation (heuristically_alone, Suzaku, patzer bottom, me LG, BF top).
Post 9: Had flavour thoughts for a while.
Post 10: Asks people to post about deadline. Leaning on voting heury, but doesn't want to make L-2.
Post 11: Not asking somi what thinks of HA and TSS as team, but rather why if HA is bussing not reflected in reads. Interesting trying to link HA and TSS. Votes HA: early townread of me didn't agree with, did not answer her question re. not mafia tell; never acknowledged response for BF meta request, and similar feeling about wam request.
@bessie, sorry I think I missed the question re. bussing a teammate likelihood. Under the assumption that there is only one mafia faction with 2 players in at game start, I'd think it fairly unlikely, but not impossible, but it would depend on the player (I could see it from BoomFrog or LaserGuy for example, but not so much from one of the less experienced players like patzer), and I don't think they'd push hard on it from the get-go, without a get-out option.
As others have noted, and I think I said earlier, I find bessie hard to read. I'm not getting any strong town or scum pings off of her. I find her positioning of Suzaku in her woof-grr list odd, and look forward to any explanations she may have for why he's down there (plus others, like why am I at the top? Why is patzer low?). I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now that a combination of tiredness and the premature hammer denied her the chance to explain it.
Ran out of time for BoomFrog. Will try to do that in the next few days.
Revised list:
Town
Suzaku
somitomi
wam
The Snide Sniper
moody
BoomFrog*
bessie
LaserGuy
patzer
heuristically_alone
Scum
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