Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[Theallieza]

About which part?

JC. I’m about 97% sure he’s a hit.

Can you elaborate on this?

[bessie]

Sorry the daily bark is a bit late tonight. I got home from work late.

Woof!

How am I role fishing? You inferred you had a diary power. I am pointing out that you have claimed or soft-claimed 2.5 powers.

I have claimed one thing only. Any other allusions are illusions of your own making. My diary = OOG (Out of Game @Fred) commentary. My statement to Wam was because I picked up yesterday that he had an inno on me after saying he was confident I was town with the only reason being "gut."

You need to go back to my original post where I noted the possible soft claims also you need to look at the context of your original diary post:

Ebwop I have the answer I wanted from the mod so.im good to.go.

You’re good to go. I wrote it in my diary instead.

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This response to Wam made me think that you published it in your diary for Wam to read.

Re: breadcrumbs. You know that I am notoriously bad at breadcrumbs. Your statement to Wam looked to me like you were claiming a power.

This quote goes along with the following Fred quote, in which Fred faked concern and offered to unvote, but didn’t.

Hi Fred! Do you have any updated reads?

1. Did not see the answer, was on for a few minutes, missed the post that said yes, and when I came back people were already calling me out for lying. Much like my mom telling me to do laundry, now that I'm in trouble, I ain't doin that shit.

2. Yes, not telling you though. I do have a game plan though, which hinges on your flip. If Seven was lying, we get a scum, if not, I start in on my next scum read.

To note: At this point, Bessie is pushing for my reads list so hard that I will be voting for her, regardless of EOD needs, until one of us is dead. I am officially Pissed Off

1. So you are now making up an excuse for not unvoting, like you had offered to do. Noted.
2. You can’t specifically not tell only me something. In withholding content, you are withholding content from the entire thread.
3. Go back to my original post. How is this a “hard” push? And I do not agree with the new reason you now have for voting for me. Your vote may or may not be valid. But your reason is anti-town.

Hey @Bessie what's your role?

Ask Seven he allegedly knows.

vote bessie

Sorry, is there a reason we're not voting for bessie? Seven has never claimed to be anything other than VT, Wam says he's VT, VT wouldn't lie (Seven would, but I digress), voting for bessie will get us info about Seven and whatever source of info he has, go some tiny way to confirming wam, etc. If bessie flips town then we have a huge mess to untangle but that mess seems to involve two people who lied (Seven, Wam) and so seems on net a good thing? Like seriously, I hope on the pages I haven't read yet bessie is getting yeeted because at this point I don't see how we can choose someone else.

Madge, I do not agree with your reason for this vote, if your reason is Seven’s claim.

@Seven: Don't weasel unless it's to actually clarify beyondf what my questions anticipate. Is this result you have on bessie a) an actual bona fide in-game investigation result of some sort, or b) is it your way of claiming your Very Accurate Read? If a), is the investigation unambiguous (e.g. 'bessie is scum' or 'bessie and heury are incompatible alignments') or is it ambiguous (e.g. 'bessie was the only one who visited EGW last night', given scum could have a ninja?)

Interesting that you ask these questions following your vote, not before. Are you interested in the answers, and will they influence your analysis? Or are you just trying to appear like you are analyzing?

3: Bessie being a butt.

Noted.

Asking for you to share reads is positive for town

Asking for an essay is negative for my mental health and your odds of not being voted. I appreciate you're trying to make me seem like scum, but this is me doing it for you, so please use this as your evidence and kindly stop asking.

Are you seriously threatening to vote for Santygrass because they are encouraging you to post some content?

By the way, I did not ask you to write an essay, I only requested an update on how you were currently reading the game. You want to call me names, fine, I don’t mind and it doesn’t affect how I read you. But quit misrepresenting my content. Because that is not something I will allow you to do.

The only wrong way to play Mafia is to deliberately sabotage your own faction. Let me play how I play.

Fred, we’re not telling you how to play. We’re encouraging you to participate.

Do you think Wam is lying? Are both scum?

I think it is possible that Seven is scum, and that Wam has a false result.

I find it very strange that "Seven is lying" was not a possibility that you seem to be entertaining.

I consider every possibility. And, um, not only am I considering the possibility that Seven is lying, I have accused him of lying. Why did you even make this remark?

The logic here isn't right. If there was a doctor, they would have been on EGW last night.

This is your opinion, not a statement of fact.

@bessie for tonight: I don't recall you putting up a Woof->Grr list since at least start of D2. If you have, could you point it out to me, otherwise can you do one now?

Perhaps.

Bessie, requesting your claim.

Noted.

I'd like to point out that we have the opportunity to do something really funny to Madge: Vote to extend the day

And as a bonus you will have some extra time to post more reads!

@bessie let me know if you are here. If not I would really appreciate if we can set up or agree some time for the both of us to be in thread since I want to chat in realtime with you a bit~

Hi Santygrass! I should have given you the standard introduction I post I my first post of every game. I’m in California. I work a regular day job, so I’m unavailable from 8am until about 6:30pm or later, depending how swamped I am at work. I usually play for 1-2 hours every evening when I get home from work and am usually available all day on weekends with the following exception. I have a labrador retriever that demands dinner, frequent back scratchys and tummy rubs, and rides in the car to the farmer’s market on weekends. I can’t play for hours at night like I used to do so the best time to catch me is evenings and weekends.

[madge]

More stream of consciousness, work whigning, etc. Really didn't get a chance to read properly so I hope I didn't miss anything.

Given it's been like 2-3 days since SoD and Mak isn't around I'm guessing I'm thinking for myself today. That's OK, we're now doing the part of the game that I actually like!!!!

JC: I'm reading through your case around Seven and is your position that Seven baited Wam into claiming that Seven was a VT in order to give Seven credibility as a VT? What? I really don't understand. Okay, so you clarify that Seve nis scum godfather in your situation, then all this makes sense I guess?

@Fred: I love you. Vote to extend the day, I love it.


Readslist - now in order!
Townie:
Thea(behaviour, result)
Wam(claim)
Fred (vibes)

Neutral:
Seven (claim,result)
Moody* (other people's opinions)

Voteable:
Somi/Santy* (vibes, other people's opinions),
JC (vibes),
Bessie (result)

In order
(indicates where my read comes from)
*denotes people who were alts to a town wagon

I think Thea is solid town: scum!wam defending scum!bessie wouldn't dare put the last member of the scum team (there's no way they have 4 right?) as another town read.

Claims:
Seven - scum result on bessie
Wam - VT cop. VT result on Seven, Thea

Non-Vibes, Facts, Extra Firm Reads:
Mak - conftown, will sheep

Conditional reads: If Santy flips scum then Thea is almost certainly town (because if Thea was Santy's scummate he wouldn't try to specifically dig up this point), and Seven is a sliver more likely to be scum.


Since everyone's doiung it:

My PoE:
Thea - town
Wam - town
Seven - town?
Fred - town?
Moody - ?
Somi/Santy - ?
JC - ?
Bessie - scum?

Again, I am most comfortable voting for the scum result haver (bessie). I will move if needed for elim but won't be around at deadline so idk

[madge]

I just realised I haven't been keeping track of who has claimed VT but basicall everyone has at this point and i ain't going back through the thread right now lol

[Wam]

Sorry been busy.

So.bessie read

Confirmation post analysis to start hits townie points esp the but around Thea https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=72951#p72951

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73333#p73333

Think the pickup of moody reactuon was town

This post https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73635#p73635

Feels relaxed and gut read is that bessie is more relaxed as town

If fred flips.scum bessie is unlikely to be scum as I don't think she would bus so hard here https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73832#p73832

This is the only bit that I'm questioning. Would town Bessie have more doubts about sevens claims, I.e. misdirection etc than instantly denying it https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=74837#p74837

[Freddino18]

I feel like everyone agrees that it's either Bessie and Wam or me and Seven, with various others being posited as the third partner in both groups. Either one of those groups is right, or someone plays a damn good fiddle. Personally, I don't think anyone here is part of the Charlie Daniels Band. We all know who's voting who, so let's just get it over with. I will be at an event EOD, and may or may not be able to post at deadline.

[Wam]

I feel like everyone agrees that it's either Bessie and Wam or me and Seven, with various others being posited as the third partner in both groups. Either one of those groups is right, or someone plays a damn good fiddle. Personally, I don't think anyone here is part of the Charlie Daniels Band. We all know who's voting who, so let's just get it over with. I will be at an event EOD, and may or may not be able to post at deadline.

Point me to one person who has called a bessie wam team?

[Seven]

Vote: Deadline Extension

[Seven]

JC: I'm reading through your case around Seven and is your position that Seven baited Wam into claiming that Seven was a VT in order to give Seven credibility as a VT? What? I really don't understand. Okay, so you clarify that Seve nis scum godfather in your situation, then all this makes sense I guess?

For the record, a Godfather would not show up as "Vanilla Town" to a Vanilla Town cop. (Unless wam received clarification that it would). It is an illogical interpretation of the role and I believe Adum would see it as such.

@Madge
@bessie, given the above, what exactly is the "manipulation" that you believe took place.

[Freddino18]

Vote: Extension

[Santygrass]

@Bessie noted! Will keep that in mind and be around 7:30pm your time (Should be possible if I did my time conversions correctly haha)

[Seven]

Fred, Thea and I have already requested bessie’s claim. Could everyone else do so in their next post?

[Santygrass]

Sorry been busy.

So.bessie read

Confirmation post analysis to start hits townie points esp the but around Thea https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=72951#p72951

https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73333#p73333

Think the pickup of moody reactuon was town

This post https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73635#p73635

Feels relaxed and gut read is that bessie is more relaxed as town

If fred flips.scum bessie is unlikely to be scum as I don't think she would bus so hard here https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=73832#p73832

This is the only bit that I'm questioning. Would town Bessie have more doubts about sevens claims, I.e. misdirection etc than instantly denying it https://ramenchef.net/nxf/viewtopic.php?p=74837#p74837

From a skim I dont think Im much convinced of a particular point here? But will try to read into more detail later

[Santygrass]

I feel like everyone agrees that it's either Bessie and Wam or me and Seven, with various others being posited as the third partner in both groups. Either one of those groups is right, or someone plays a damn good fiddle. Personally, I don't think anyone here is part of the Charlie Daniels Band. We all know who's voting who, so let's just get it over with. I will be at an event EOD, and may or may not be able to post at deadline.

Can you give names to these? As to who is sussing those pairs from your point of view.
I recon bessie is sussing both you and Seven, but other than that I dont think anyone else is talking about those pairs much?

I mean, yesterday I felt like the main considerations are moody / JC / bessie , with couple of people sussing seven or you but not having enough traction to be considered as possible yeets today

[Santygrass]

Why are we voting to extend the deadline?

[Freddino18]

Oh, I don't know, I suggested it to be funny and also so I wouldn't have to take time away from Magic. I only actually voted for it after Seven did because I felt like my bluff was being called.

[Freddino18]

I feel like everyone agrees that it's either Bessie and Wam or me and Seven, with various others being posited as the third partner in both groups. Either one of those groups is right, or someone plays a damn good fiddle. Personally, I don't think anyone here is part of the Charlie Daniels Band. We all know who's voting who, so let's just get it over with. I will be at an event EOD, and may or may not be able to post at deadline.

Can you give names to these? As to who is sussing those pairs from your point of view.
I recon bessie is sussing both you and Seven, but other than that I dont think anyone else is talking about those pairs much?

I mean, yesterday I felt like the main considerations are moody / JC / bessie , with couple of people sussing seven or you but not having enough traction to be considered as possible yeets today

Wam is also pushing really hard that Bessie is town, and has been pushing at me and Sev as the alternative. Little bit of pressure on Seven from Somi, and the rest I do not remember well enough to say.

[Theallieza]

I feel like everyone agrees that it's either Bessie and Wam or me and Seven, with various others being posited as the third partner in both groups. Either one of those groups is right, or someone plays a damn good fiddle. Personally, I don't think anyone here is part of the Charlie Daniels Band. We all know who's voting who, so let's just get it over with. I will be at an event EOD, and may or may not be able to post at deadline.

Can you give names to these? As to who is sussing those pairs from your point of view.
I recon bessie is sussing both you and Seven, but other than that I dont think anyone else is talking about those pairs much?

I mean, yesterday I felt like the main considerations are moody / JC / bessie , with couple of people sussing seven or you but not having enough traction to be considered as possible yeets today

Wam is also pushing really hard that Bessie is town, and has been pushing at me and Sev as the alternative. Little bit of pressure on Seven from Somi, and the rest I do not remember well enough to say.

No, he hasn't been pushing you/Seven at all. Wam has a clear on Seven and believes you are Town. This is his solve.

Interestingly I think the fred 9ne is stronger. I could easily see madge putting something similar as a mafia goon.

But working through it.

Town
Wam
Seven
Thea

Meta town read - bessie

Town slip madge, Fred

Means scum team is Moody, JC, santy.

vote JC

[Theallieza]

I don't really feel an extension is necessary, btw. I'll vote for it if there is a strong desire for it, I guess.

[Santygrass]

I feel like everyone agrees that it's either Bessie and Wam or me and Seven, with various others being posited as the third partner in both groups. Either one of those groups is right, or someone plays a damn good fiddle. Personally, I don't think anyone here is part of the Charlie Daniels Band. We all know who's voting who, so let's just get it over with. I will be at an event EOD, and may or may not be able to post at deadline.

Can you give names to these? As to who is sussing those pairs from your point of view.
I recon bessie is sussing both you and Seven, but other than that I dont think anyone else is talking about those pairs much?

I mean, yesterday I felt like the main considerations are moody / JC / bessie , with couple of people sussing seven or you but not having enough traction to be considered as possible yeets today

Wam is also pushing really hard that Bessie is town, and has been pushing at me and Sev as the alternative. Little bit of pressure on Seven from Somi, and the rest I do not remember well enough to say.

Wam is claiming a VT check on Seven, so not voting or sussing them. They have been towning seven since D2 (because Wam said they checked Seven n1)

[Freddino18]

Well I didn't go back and read so... you caught me

[Santygrass]

Appreciate thea coming in with the receipts haha~

[Santygrass]

Well I didn't go back and read so... you caught me

I-
Hm

Do you think bessie and wam are both scum?

[Theallieza]

About which part?

JC. I’m about 97% sure he’s a hit.

Can you elaborate on this?

Answering my own question, but rereading JC and parsing through the nonsense, yes, I think I can see where you are coming from here. I wouldn't put it at 97% by any stretch, but I can see this as possibility.

[Wam]

So I initially wondered if Fred's weird takes about teams we're then getting confused between chat and thread but they are so out there I just think fred isn't paying attention. Rather than being alignment indicative.