Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[Seven]

The way I see it, starting from her lie about believing openly voting to extend the day was unfair

I'm not sure why you believe I lied about disagreeing with public votes for deadline extensions. I believe the possibility of extending the phase is necessary. I stated that here:

That being said, there are situations where extensions are warranted due to irl complications or replacements, so some leeway is necessary. I generally go about this through private requests, private votes, mod discretion, or role quirks.

You mentioned that I voted for an extension in PYP. There was a reason for it: Boom had been V/LA for most of the phase.

her comment about only caring about what people say at the beginning and end of day,

Why is this scum indicative? This is my analysis of mafia and something I have stated in prior games. I believe that the start of the game and the EoDs are the critical parts of the game, everything in between is just about getting from one point to the next.

She gets away with lying way too much and that won her and Bessie Baldur's Gate mafia.

Actually, telling the truth won me Baldur's Gate. Laser had a recent insight that I don't seem to gambit when I'm mafia. It's really simple to get by when you're playing in a conformative manner.

Mak is taken out N1, more than likely because it would be a coin flip on whether EGW or Thea get protected so taking out Mak makes sense there.

Day 2 EGW claims Tree Stump and Wam soft claims a read on Seven, Wam needs to go but can't risk EGW having more than a one shot, so taking out EGW is priority.

Seven claims cop with a guilty on Bessie, Wam counter claims and clears Seven as a VT. Makes me feel like the gambit wasnt to elim Bessie, putting herself on the block, but to get Wam to claim and share his read officially so it "clears" her through endgame.

A miselim this day phase, another tomorrow, and scum wins.

Interesting! For the record, George's ability was a N1 ability only. He wasn't able to use it anymore.

[Santygrass]

so, do we have enough to change to moody? me and heury get us equal with gluelock. mak, EGW, you interested?

moody is trending more townie for me rn so not really looking to go this way

heury or JC imo

*Inmediatly starts to doubt his own vote switch*

[JC_DADDY25]

if you die I promise I will look into this very seriously

Wish Mak would follow through on this.

Nice Mak related crosspost lmao

I didn't even notice. Thought you were replying to my post to show his reads.

[Seven]

I'm seeing it as town wam and scum seven, Seven being godfather and needing Wam to counterclaim and confirm his result to everybody, and not just a soft claim.

Is it a lock?

Nope.

I just feel stronger about this than the other wagons.

For the record, a Godfather would not show up as "Vanilla Town" to a Vanilla Town cop. (Unless wam received clarification that it would). It is an illogical interpretation of the role and I believe Adum would see it as such.

Why is that? Also, are you able to be convinced with reason, or is your heart set on it?

Is that a no then?

[JC_DADDY25]

No

[Theallieza]

Quick mostly-distracted thoughts:

I feel like JC is probably Town here. His play just feels so disconnected from everyone else it's really hard for me to believe he is actually paired with someone.

Santy is kind of a toss-up for me. I really like their content D3 and they come across as very authentic. OTOH, I am reasonably certain that they are a far better player than I am and I think there's a decent chance they could snow me easily. I still find Somi's play to be quite scummy. Though if Seven is Town I am somewhat less inclined to believe in scum!somi.

Which leaves the scum team as moody, bessie, and I guess Madge? I have higher confidence in Fred's townslip than Madge's and bessie is very unlikely to push Fred the way that she has as a teammate.

[Seven]

Quick mostly-distracted thoughts:

I feel like JC is probably Town here. His play just feels so disconnected from everyone else it's really hard for me to believe he is actually paired with someone.

Santy is kind of a toss-up for me. I really like their content D3 and they come across as very authentic. OTOH, I am reasonably certain that they are a far better player than I am and I think there's a decent chance they could snow me easily. I still find Somi's play to be quite scummy. Though if Seven is Town I am somewhat less inclined to believe in scum!somi.

Which leaves the scum team as moody, bessie, and I guess Madge? I have higher confidence in Fred's townslip than Madge's and bessie is very unlikely to push Fred the way that she has as a teammate.

I’ve actually come to the exact opposite conclusion.

[Theallieza]

About which part?

[Seven]

About which part?

JC. I’m about 97% sure he’s a hit.

[Seven]

Four of the first 11, and 10 of 49 posts are in some way about Fred. It can be inferred that the drop in proportion after N1 is due to JC being able to chat with Fred in order to express some hints as to what Fred should be doing going forward.

Is this a slippity slip, Thea?

[Santygrass]

Quick mostly-distracted thoughts:

I feel like JC is probably Town here. His play just feels so disconnected from everyone else it's really hard for me to believe he is actually paired with someone.

Santy is kind of a toss-up for me. I really like their content D3 and they come across as very authentic. OTOH, I am reasonably certain that they are a far better player than I am and I think there's a decent chance they could snow me easily. I still find Somi's play to be quite scummy. Though if Seven is Town I am somewhat less inclined to believe in scum!somi.

Which leaves the scum team as moody, bessie, and I guess Madge? I have higher confidence in Fred's townslip than Madge's and bessie is very unlikely to push Fred the way that she has as a teammate.

Ehhh , in my head JC and bessie were pushing Seven with similar arguments nuances so it was something I was keeping track of. But idk if its recency bias but I can see the stubborn town tone and its tripping me on my PoE / possible solves, since if JC is town I feel game is def a bit more hard.

For example the team you propose of Moody/Madge/Bessie would imply that when the votecount was 5 Gluelock and 3 Moody , Madge was townreading and against the Gluelock wagon, and Bessie just didnt care and voted Fred. Feels like a team that didnt felt moody was in danger.
Probably the people present in that EoD can correct me if wrong, but there wasnt a feeling that moody was safe that EoD right for the scum team to act that way if its the case?

[Santygrass]

Four of the first 11, and 10 of 49 posts are in some way about Fred. It can be inferred that the drop in proportion after N1 is due to JC being able to chat with Fred in order to express some hints as to what Fred should be doing going forward.

Is this a slippity slip, Thea?

How so?

[Santygrass]

@bessie let me know if you are here. If not I would really appreciate if we can set up or agree some time for the both of us to be in thread since I want to chat in realtime with you a bit~

[Theallieza]

Four of the first 11, and 10 of 49 posts are in some way about Fred. It can be inferred that the drop in proportion after N1 is due to JC being able to chat with Fred in order to express some hints as to what Fred should be doing going forward.

Is this a slippity slip, Thea?

How so?

The day/night chat status of the game has not been revealed and most players have been assuming it is daychat in discussions that I can recall.

[Santygrass]

Is this a slippity slip, Thea?

How so?

The day/night chat status of the game has not been revealed and most players have been assuming it is daychat in discussions that I can recall.

What? Im not sure if Im getting it hahaha. What is "daychat in discussions" , shouldnt that be only here?

[Santygrass]

If scum cant communicate like usual then my EoD read regarding Moody is just poopoo LoL . Now Fred saying it was bad communication kinda has more strenght too

[Theallieza]

How so?

The day/night chat status of the game has not been revealed and most players have been assuming it is daychat in discussions that I can recall.

What? Im not sure if Im getting it hahaha. What is "daychat in discussions" , shouldnt that be only here?

In our games sometimes we play where mafia can chat in day and night, sometimes night only. Some games this is stated in the rules, others, as with this one, it isn't.

AFAIK, everyone so far who has alluded to this seemed to be working under the assumption that mafia had daychat.

[Santygrass]

The day/night chat status of the game has not been revealed and most players have been assuming it is daychat in discussions that I can recall.

What? Im not sure if Im getting it hahaha. What is "daychat in discussions" , shouldnt that be only here?

In our games sometimes we play where mafia can chat in day and night, sometimes night only. Some games this is stated in the rules, others, as with this one, it isn't.

AFAIK, everyone so far who has alluded to this seemed to be working under the assumption that mafia had daychat.

Hmm gotcha. How common is for mafia chat to be night only?

I now see Seven is pointing that moody assumed in the pairing that the chat was night only

[Theallieza]

What? Im not sure if Im getting it hahaha. What is "daychat in discussions" , shouldnt that be only here?

In our games sometimes we play where mafia can chat in day and night, sometimes night only. Some games this is stated in the rules, others, as with this one, it isn't.

AFAIK, everyone so far who has alluded to this seemed to be working under the assumption that mafia had daychat.

Hmm gotcha. How common is for mafia chat to be night only?

I now see Seven is pointing that moody assumed in the pairing that the chat was night only

I think daychat is slightly more common night only in recent years. When I first started playing *mumble* years ago it was probably >90% night chat only.

[Theallieza]

EBWOP: I think Day is slightly more common than night only nowadays.

[Santygrass]

About which part?

JC. I’m about 97% sure he’s a hit.

Also, can you elaborate on this part?
im kinda with theallieza here thinking JC recent posts were kinda towny

[Santygrass]

EBWOP: I think Day is slightly more common than night only nowadays.

Got it , ty for clarification. I'll think about it, but that being a real slip kinda makes the pieces fit (Moody being scum and the team D1 being discoordinated both ring true if the slip is real)

[Theallieza]

Quick mostly-distracted thoughts:

I feel like JC is probably Town here. His play just feels so disconnected from everyone else it's really hard for me to believe he is actually paired with someone.

Santy is kind of a toss-up for me. I really like their content D3 and they come across as very authentic. OTOH, I am reasonably certain that they are a far better player than I am and I think there's a decent chance they could snow me easily. I still find Somi's play to be quite scummy. Though if Seven is Town I am somewhat less inclined to believe in scum!somi.

Which leaves the scum team as moody, bessie, and I guess Madge? I have higher confidence in Fred's townslip than Madge's and bessie is very unlikely to push Fred the way that she has as a teammate.

Ehhh , in my head JC and bessie were pushing Seven with similar arguments nuances so it was something I was keeping track of. But idk if its recency bias but I can see the stubborn town tone and its tripping me on my PoE / possible solves, since if JC is town I feel game is def a bit more hard.

For example the team you propose of Moody/Madge/Bessie would imply that when the votecount was 5 Gluelock and 3 Moody , Madge was townreading and against the Gluelock wagon, and Bessie just didnt care and voted Fred. Feels like a team that didnt felt moody was in danger.
Probably the people present in that EoD can correct me if wrong, but there wasnt a feeling that moody was safe that EoD right for the scum team to act that way if its the case?

FWIW, I found it very difficult to get any traction or interest in votes for moody. With EGW and Seven pushing hard for Glue and all three of bessie/moody/madge in the thread for EoD, I think they probably had room to move if needed.

bessie's preference is always to vote her strongest scumread regardless of the thread state. She will move her vote to secure an elimination when necessary and regardless of her alignment probably expected to have to do so.

[Santygrass]

Noted , appreciate the insight regarding Moody traction there. I'll add it to the pile of homework and stuff to reread and check (spoiler Im going to procastinate it all hmmyes)

For now I'll be going to bed gn thread. Yell at me if you see me online fr

[Freddino18]

How so?

The day/night chat status of the game has not been revealed and most players have been assuming it is daychat in discussions that I can recall.

What? Im not sure if Im getting it hahaha. What is "daychat in discussions" , shouldnt that be only here?

(daychat) (in discussions that I recall)