Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[Santygrass]

Moody how does your rating system work?

Technically goes from -10 to +10, but you'd have to be dead to get much above a 5 in either direction, plus is town, minus is scum, zero is neutral.

Yeah, I was asking clarification about the *process* in the system, if it makes sense. Want to know what made you reach the negative , and why it increased over your last analysis (even though it was a slight increase)

[Santygrass]

@Wam reminder that Im still interested in your bessie read~

[Santygrass]

My only issue with this, is that you changed your "style of play" and the way you post reads on day 2 after people kept asking about these reads that you were putting together during the day 1 phase.

You were the one who kept saying you were making progress, then you put up some list with negative numbers next to everyone's name on day 2 and said you came up with something different. It was pingy then and it's pingy now. Especially when you asked for a sub momentarily, and the way you're acting now.

Why did you only reply to this JC btw?

I think I have been kinda shadily poking at you and Im surprised that both:
* You havent adressed me
* Still maintain your vote on Seven despite what Wam claimed (and also ignored my ping suggesting that you should change your vote)

Hello Santy, I am comfortable with my vote where it's at.

Also Hihi , you're based .
Is your solve still the same as SoD ?

[Freddino18]

Mostly curious to know from your post by post analysis which are the positives and which are the negatives, from my read it just seems like you just described the posts, and having trouble also where do you see the Fred connection as well

Have you not seen JC poking me?

[moody7277]

Four of the first 11, and 10 of 49 posts are in some way about Fred. It can be inferred that the drop in proportion after N1 is due to JC being able to chat with Fred in order to express some hints as to what Fred should be doing going forward.

content is positive
content about several players is more positive
content solely about one or two players over multiple days is negative (except in the case of Bessie, for whom it is part of her meta)

reads are positive

setup spec after about mid-D1 is slightly negative, except immediately after day starts when flips can be used to adjust theories of the game

votals are NAI

fluff if sparse is NAI, but if it takes up too much of a slot's posting it is negative

This is of course my interpretation, YMMV.

[JC_DADDY25]

Our focus should be Seven today.

I know, there's probably no chance in this getting done because of Wam "clearing" her, but I stand by my read. The way I see it, starting from her lie about believing openly voting to extend the day was unfair, her comment about only caring about what people say at the beginning and end of day, and now her guilty on Bessie. She gets away with lying way too much and that won her and Bessie Baldur's Gate mafia.

Mak is taken out N1, more than likely because it would be a coin flip on whether EGW or Thea get protected so taking out Mak makes sense there.

Day 2 EGW claims Tree Stump and Wam soft claims a read on Seven, Wam needs to go but can't risk EGW having more than a one shot, so taking out EGW is priority.

Seven claims cop with a guilty on Bessie, Wam counter claims and clears Seven as a VT. Makes me feel like the gambit wasnt to elim Bessie, putting herself on the block, but to get Wam to claim and share his read officially so it "clears" her through endgame.

A miselim this day phase, another tomorrow, and scum wins.

[JC_DADDY25]

Four of the first 11, and 10 of 49 posts are in some way about Fred. It can be inferred that the drop in proportion after N1 is due to JC being able to chat with Fred in order to express some hints as to what Fred should be doing going forward.

content is positive
content about several players is more positive
content solely about one or two players over multiple days is negative (except in the case of Bessie, for whom it is part of her meta)

reads are positive

setup spec after about mid-D1 is slightly negative, except immediately after day starts when flips can be used to adjust theories of the game

votals are NAI

fluff if sparse is NAI, but if it takes up too much of a slot's posting it is negative

This is of course my interpretation, YMMV.

What is my meta?

[Freddino18]

I'd like to point out that we have the opportunity to do something really funny to Madge: Vote to extend the day

[moody7277]

What is my meta?

You're laconic, you're straightforward. That gives you somewhat the same meta as wam, which is probably why I "read [you] as non town in every game we've played." Since that's maybe 3 or 4 games tops, it's still a thin notebook.

[JC_DADDY25]

Damn you, now I need to go Google laconic

[Seven]

Can you answer the following three questions?

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

@JC can you answer these when you have the chance?
@Moody could you also answer these and lay out what your PoE is post Wam's claim?

2. No.

Why is that? Also, are you able to be convinced with reason, or is your heart set on it?

[Santygrass]

Mostly curious to know from your post by post analysis which are the positives and which are the negatives, from my read it just seems like you just described the posts, and having trouble also where do you see the Fred connection as well

Have you not seen JC poking me?

I read that in the moody summary (as in some mentions). But two players interacting / one questioning other can be whatever ( W-V / V-V / W-W) . If moody says hey think W-W is more likely, there has to be a reason for it

[JC_DADDY25]

Wouldn't consider myself laconic, because I am interested. I just don't take notes and keep track of everything people said as much as some others, and I don't try to psychoanalyse every word in a post.

Kind of like your mention of me using a metaphor. I don't even remember that honestly.

[Santygrass]

Four of the first 11, and 10 of 49 posts are in some way about Fred. It can be inferred that the drop in proportion after N1 is due to JC being able to chat with Fred in order to express some hints as to what Fred should be doing going forward.

content is positive
content about several players is more positive
content solely about one or two players over multiple days is negative (except in the case of Bessie, for whom it is part of her meta)

reads are positive

setup spec after about mid-D1 is slightly negative, except immediately after day starts when flips can be used to adjust theories of the game

votals are NAI

fluff if sparse is NAI, but if it takes up too much of a slot's posting it is negative

This is of course my interpretation, YMMV.

Also noted. Will try to later look for myself, though in my lenses Fred is very likely town haha. But mostly want to see of the connection makes sense.

Thanks for the elaboration of how you interpret things

[Seven]

Tbh I dont see the relation or 'scum' approach to picking uo a PR soft and feeling a need to 'town them up'. Doesnt make sense? Like, why?

You are right in that the post when they claimed to be waiting for mod confirmation on something was PR indicative, and thats about it? You can see my progression on Wam on my D1 notes, and how despite EGW having some question that seemed fair to contest my tr on them from their entrance, I ended up sticking with it and confbiasing it.

Is there anything in specific of the read that seems fake to you? Or is more like you thought a scenario/worldview in your head and are trying to apply it to what happened? Cause its what seems like to me.

Cause honestly I remember reading the Wam post and thinking 'oh maybe they will come with simething spicy' but didnt move the needle on how I was reading them. I think them claiming cop in specific with the clears is a good look, the same level ish~ of the entrance read I made on them and feel good about

I'll take a look through your D1 comments on Wam. The reason it pings me as fake is because Wam is a scummy player, so it comes off as TMI. My view is also colored by my experience—the only time I've hard town read Wam was when I was scum. I am not, however, speaking from the point of view of pre-flipping you, so please put that idea aside.

[Santygrass]

I'd like to point out that we have the opportunity to do something really funny to Madge: Vote to extend the day

pls no. Dayphase being this long is already making my WIM struggle just because it makes it easy for myself to procastinate. Im hoping that the last day for stuff to gain more traction or something

[Santygrass]

Tbh I dont see the relation or 'scum' approach to picking uo a PR soft and feeling a need to 'town them up'. Doesnt make sense? Like, why?

You are right in that the post when they claimed to be waiting for mod confirmation on something was PR indicative, and thats about it? You can see my progression on Wam on my D1 notes, and how despite EGW having some question that seemed fair to contest my tr on them from their entrance, I ended up sticking with it and confbiasing it.

Is there anything in specific of the read that seems fake to you? Or is more like you thought a scenario/worldview in your head and are trying to apply it to what happened? Cause its what seems like to me.

Cause honestly I remember reading the Wam post and thinking 'oh maybe they will come with simething spicy' but didnt move the needle on how I was reading them. I think them claiming cop in specific with the clears is a good look, the same level ish~ of the entrance read I made on them and feel good about

I'll take a look through your D1 comments on Wam. The reason it pings me as fake is because Wam is a scummy player, so it comes off as TMI. My view is also colored by my experience—the only time I've hard town read Wam was when I was scum. I am not, however, speaking from the point of view of pre-flipping you, so please put that idea aside.

Hmm, gotcha. fwiw its not the first time Im called out for easily hard towning slots that are usually consensus sus in games (And Im mostly right!) , I guess I do have an unusual way to read and follow the approach of people

[Santygrass]

Our focus should be Seven today.

I know, there's probably no chance in this getting done because of Wam "clearing" her, but I stand by my read. The way I see it, starting from her lie about believing openly voting to extend the day was unfair, her comment about only caring about what people say at the beginning and end of day, and now her guilty on Bessie. She gets away with lying way too much and that won her and Bessie Baldur's Gate mafia.

Mak is taken out N1, more than likely because it would be a coin flip on whether EGW or Thea get protected so taking out Mak makes sense there.

Day 2 EGW claims Tree Stump and Wam soft claims a read on Seven, Wam needs to go but can't risk EGW having more than a one shot, so taking out EGW is priority.

Seven claims cop with a guilty on Bessie, Wam counter claims and clears Seven as a VT. Makes me feel like the gambit wasnt to elim Bessie, putting herself on the block, but to get Wam to claim and share his read officially so it "clears" her through endgame.

A miselim this day phase, another tomorrow, and scum wins.

If im Interpreting this correctly, Scum!Seven always implies Scum!Wam , or do you think there is a way or world in where Wam is town and Seven scum?

[JC_DADDY25]

I'm seeing it as town wam and scum seven, Seven being godfather and needing Wam to counterclaim and confirm his result to everybody, and not just a soft claim.

Is it a lock?

Nope.

I just feel stronger about this than the other wagons.

[JC_DADDY25]

If Heury flips town, Somi + Seven are scum.

if you die I promise I will look into this very seriously

Wish Mak would follow through on this.

[Santygrass]

Spoiler (Show/Hide)

Meant the coalition on gluelock* doesn't look great and that I prefer moody elim to glue*

Can you explain how you made that mix up in the first place? Also update me on your reads.

Vote count 3
1. Makhaira - 0:
2. Wam - 1: EGW
3. Bessie - 0:
4. heuristically_alone - 0:
5. Gluelock - 3: Moody7277, Wan, Madge
6. Madge - 2: Gluelock, Seven
7. Seven - 0:
8. Theallieza - 0:
9. somitomi - 0:
10. Freddino18 - 0:
11. moody7277 - 2: Theallieza, Makhaira
12. JC_DADDY25 - 0:
13. EGW - 1: Freddino18

Yes Extension - 6 : Theallieza, EGW, Makhaira, Bessie, Madge, Wan
No Extension - 0 : Seven

The deadline is set for Friday September 6th at 12 am EST.

They were right next to each other on this votecount which is on the same page as my post, I was scrolling up to it and looking at people on each specific wagon and just mixed them up when I typed up the post because I just was typing it up too quickly and got the wagons mixed up

Current reads in order from town to scum:

EGW - no way scum!EGW banks on holding on to a "true" scum read on me hoping to get a powerswap post deadline extension, I'd be genuinely shocked

Freddino18 - slot seems to genuinely not give a fuck about anyone else's perception of his slot which skews town for me, also his posts make me laugh

Seven - good acting re: faking stylistic flourish in ego defense on them being "wrong" and changing their mind on EGW if this is scum!Seven which is def not impossible, slot seems to be actually updating

Wam - seems to be trying to sort atleast some slots

Madge - slot is a little too self centered to be scum imo, genuinely seems to be in her own world this game and doesn't seem to be really "playing off" of any other slots or considering others' viewpoints, I would borderline consider the slots play griefing to their mates as scum tbh. Maybe entirely uncoordinated is the word I'm looking for here which skews town to me. Consistent AtE muddles the slot tho

Theallieza - levelheaded and has had some unique insights that actually keep the ball rolling, seeing some genuine sorting effort but I know scum!Thea is fully capable of faking this well so slot ranks slower due to risk of snow

somitomi - notoriously hard player for me to read, has some posts that would require better "acting" so to speak to pull off as scum so very slight town lean but also has some weird takes and reactions

Bessie - even harder slot for me to read. I think I've only seen scum!bessie once and I still feel like I didn't learn anything about her scum meta. Truest neutral read in the game for me. I generally have to just rely on her voting patterns to read her, her prose is so static its inscrutable to me

Gluelock - entrance to the game was kinda dumb and unhelpful (babyjesus vibes for any mafiascum forum veterans) but the wagon on the slot came too easy imo, I share thea's wariness here

moody7277 - I don't understand why what catches this slot's attention caught said attention, their focus feels alien to me and therefore not towny, but their post count analysis seems a little incongruent for a wolf that is playing a very passive role in the game so far

JC_DADDY25 - I feel bad having JC this low with him townreading me but I feel like JC generally is suss on my slot and I don't really feel like I've done anything to "earn" a townread from him so it just feels weird. also in full disclosure I am very biased against this slot due to previous in-game trauma related to treatment I've received from this slot (i.e. I'm still seething over being vigged in PYP) so this is kind of a self-pres/late game risk profile reduction placement)

heuristically_alone - taking the "oh I'm so absentminded this game awww shucks" approach feels opportunistic, don't get any feel that there is a genuine interest in solving from this slot

Mak reads, ordered from most town to scum

EGW
Fred
Seven
Wam
Madge
Theallieza
Somitomi (me now!)
Bessie (Neutral read. Town above, scumreads below)
Gluelock
Moody
JC
Heury


Is Mak a slot that is scary lategame ? As in, how likely was Mak a fearkill ? (I dont think it wasnt the case, but dont have the meta to be sure and affirm it lol)

[Santygrass]

I'm seeing it as town wam and scum seven, Seven being godfather and needing Wam to counterclaim and confirm his result to everybody, and not just a soft claim.

Is it a lock?

Nope.

I just feel stronger about this than the other wagons.

ohhhhhhhh

[Santygrass]

Surface level not a fan of the stuborness in the view, but at least I think is nuanced enough and JC seems to have belief in it that I kinda believe / is making me doubt

Unvote
Vote: Moody

Lets see how I feel about this for a bit~

[JC_DADDY25]

Damn, I think we lost Mak.

Hopefully he's just tied up with WoW, but he hasn't posted anything since the end of d2. May be possible he went away when EGW did.

[Santygrass]

If Heury flips town, Somi + Seven are scum.

if you die I promise I will look into this very seriously

Wish Mak would follow through on this.

Nice Mak related crosspost lmao