Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[AdumbroDeus]

Vote count 2
2. Wam - 0:
3. Bessie - 3: Seven, Freddino18, madge
6. Madge - 0:
7. Seven - 2: Bessie, JC
8. Theallieza - 0:
9. Santygrass- 0:
10. Freddino18 - 1: moody7277
11. moody7277 - 1: Theallieza
12. JC_DADDY25 - 2: Santygrass, Wam

Not voting: No one

With 9 remaining it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 3 ends on friday, September 20th at 12 am EST

[madge]

no content but i just actually looked at the deadline and oh joy of joys i will actually legitimately 100% be driving during the deadline leadup phase, thank christ, the rest of you get bent and finish the day without me (if we make it that long i guess)

[moody7277]

@bessie for tonight: I don't recall you putting up a Woof->Grr list since at least start of D2. If you have, could you point it out to me, otherwise can you do one now?

[Santygrass]

got plenty of love to go around, are you gonna answer my question? check yes or no

Yes.

:wowee:

[Santygrass]

The only wrong way to play Mafia is to deliberately sabotage your own faction. Let me play how I play.

My only issue with this, is that you changed your "style of play" and the way you post reads on day 2 after people kept asking about these reads that you were putting together during the day 1 phase.

You were the one who kept saying you were making progress, then you put up some list with negative numbers next to everyone's name on day 2 and said you came up with something different. It was pingy then and it's pingy now. Especially when you asked for a sub momentarily, and the way you're acting now.

Why did you only reply to this JC btw?

I think I have been kinda shadily poking at you and Im surprised that both:
* You havent adressed me
* Still maintain your vote on Seven despite what Wam claimed (and also ignored my ping suggesting that you should change your vote)

[Santygrass]

Is it that you made up a reason after being asked and didn't think it through fully?

No. I am hedging against Wam being scum.

See kids this is why you shouldn't gambit so much as scum. No one trusts you when you're town.

Do you usually gambit too?

[Wam]

No. I am hedging against Wam being scum.

See kids this is why you shouldn't gambit so much as scum. No one trusts you when you're town.

Do you usually gambit too?

I have been known to.

[Seven]

@Fred I’ve been thinking about it and I think it’s essential that we have your claim.

[Seven]

Can you answer the following three questions?

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

@JC can you answer these when you have the chance?
@Moody could you also answer these and lay out what your PoE is post Wam's claim?

[Seven]

Wam : Pretty confident on Wam being town. Their entrance to the game was one of the townier post that striked me when reading up, just from a perspective approach, I dont see scum having those reads / nuance that were spicy and not doing much with them. And the more I think about it the repeated names are always more likely to come from a town that had a process and switched reads rather than a scum that legit can fake a perspective or doesnt proofread their own list and have 2 mistakes and is not able to fake and care about how their reads are being perceived (which is something always more important to scum rather than town). So yeah Wam is my most confident town and I'll fight for them if needed

I'm having difficulty believing this pre Wam claim read.

I think it's more likely that you picked up that Wam was a PR from these posts on the pages prior:

@Madge @Wam I don't have anything further I wish to claim (yes, I'm aware this just makes it further look like I'm gambiting). But Wam, you of all people know that I'm good.

Your also lying and whilst I don't always agree with it a lot of people have a elim all liers policy.

That's L-2, please hold

I'm waiting for an answer from the mod then I will post wams game winning solution. Or.some approximation of that.

Ebwop I have the answer I wanted from the mod so.im good to.go.

But you are constructing your read as if you didn't anticipate that and were basing the read on his content throughout the game:

Anyways i feel vindicated with Wam as my most confident town lets go

[Freddino18]

@Fred I’ve been thinking about it and I think it’s essential that we have your claim.

Bessie first

[Seven]

Bessie, requesting your claim.

[Santygrass]

Wam : Pretty confident on Wam being town. Their entrance to the game was one of the townier post that striked me when reading up, just from a perspective approach, I dont see scum having those reads / nuance that were spicy and not doing much with them. And the more I think about it the repeated names are always more likely to come from a town that had a process and switched reads rather than a scum that legit can fake a perspective or doesnt proofread their own list and have 2 mistakes and is not able to fake and care about how their reads are being perceived (which is something always more important to scum rather than town). So yeah Wam is my most confident town and I'll fight for them if needed

I'm having difficulty believing this pre Wam claim read.

I think it's more likely that you picked up that Wam was a PR from these posts on the pages prior:

@Madge @Wam I don't have anything further I wish to claim (yes, I'm aware this just makes it further look like I'm gambiting). But Wam, you of all people know that I'm good.

Your also lying and whilst I don't always agree with it a lot of people have a elim all liers policy.

That's L-2, please hold

I'm waiting for an answer from the mod then I will post wams game winning solution. Or.some approximation of that.

Ebwop I have the answer I wanted from the mod so.im good to.go.

But you are constructing your read as if you didn't anticipate that and were basing the read on his content throughout the game:

Anyways i feel vindicated with Wam as my most confident town lets go

Tbh I dont see the relation or 'scum' approach to picking uo a PR soft and feeling a need to 'town them up'. Doesnt make sense? Like, why?

You are right in that the post when they claimed to be waiting for mod confirmation on something was PR indicative, and thats about it? You can see my progression on Wam on my D1 notes, and how despite EGW having some question that seemed fair to contest my tr on them from their entrance, I ended up sticking with it and confbiasing it.

Is there anything in specific of the read that seems fake to you? Or is more like you thought a scenario/worldview in your head and are trying to apply it to what happened? Cause its what seems like to me.

Cause honestly I remember reading the Wam post and thinking 'oh maybe they will come with simething spicy' but didnt move the needle on how I was reading them. I think them claiming cop in specific with the clears is a good look, the same level ish~ of the entrance read I made on them and feel good about

[Santygrass]

Also though I posted my D1 notes a little later in the day, they were made during the nightphase and are mostly reflected on the readlist without elaboration that I posted SoD3 (I have Wam as town there)

So L+ratio, basically

[moody7277]

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

1. I already had wam as lean town before his claim, and who he says he investigated makes sense game-wise with him town (you due to read issues, Thea because they're influential), so I figure the claim puts him at +5
2. I don't think the game is complicated enough to have result manipulation roles. That type of power to me sounds like on the edge of bastardy. That being said, I think GF might be a possibility, but I'm going to do a naive look at it for question 4 and leave the other possibility for Cynical View.
3. Again, I want to emphasize that I'm am not good at picking up on these, so my opinion of them is going to be crap. I think the one by Madge not knowing if scum have daychat is more likely to be real. Fred's general confusion about rules seems to be more newer player than AI.

4. Here's what I have for PoE:
2. Wam - town
3. Bessie - ?
6. Madge - town
7. Seven - town
8. Theallieza - town
9. Santygrass- ?
10. Freddino18 - ?
11. moody7277 - town
12. JC_DADDY25 - ?

I'm also getting a creeping horror that Bessie might be scum, more than just the 3/4 chance that my PoE would suggest.

[Seven]

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

1. I already had wam as lean town before his claim, and who he says he investigated makes sense game-wise with him town (you due to read issues, Thea because they're influential), so I figure the claim puts him at +5
2. I don't think the game is complicated enough to have result manipulation roles. That type of power to me sounds like on the edge of bastardy. That being said, I think GF might be a possibility, but I'm going to do a naive look at it for question 4 and leave the other possibility for Cynical View.
3. Again, I want to emphasize that I'm am not good at picking up on these, so my opinion of them is going to be crap. I think the one by Madge not knowing if scum have daychat is more likely to be real. Fred's general confusion about rules seems to be more newer player than AI.

4. Here's what I have for PoE:
2. Wam - town
3. Bessie - ?
6. Madge - town
7. Seven - town
8. Theallieza - town
9. Santygrass- ?
10. Freddino18 - ?
11. moody7277 - town
12. JC_DADDY25 - ?

I'm also getting a creeping horror that Bessie might be scum, more than just the 3/4 chance that my PoE would suggest.

So assuming 3 scum, you only have one person in the question mark group that you need to determine is town and you have a solve. Who do you think you have the best shot at figuring out?

[moody7277]

Interestingly, I think my best chance at a read is JC. Just need to pick up where I left off on him late D1 on post by post.

[Freddino18]

I'm also getting a creeping horror that Bessie might be scum, more than just the 3/4 chance that my PoE would suggest.

Compromise: Kill bessie, shoot me tomorrow. I want out lol

[JC_DADDY25]

The only wrong way to play Mafia is to deliberately sabotage your own faction. Let me play how I play.

My only issue with this, is that you changed your "style of play" and the way you post reads on day 2 after people kept asking about these reads that you were putting together during the day 1 phase.

You were the one who kept saying you were making progress, then you put up some list with negative numbers next to everyone's name on day 2 and said you came up with something different. It was pingy then and it's pingy now. Especially when you asked for a sub momentarily, and the way you're acting now.

Why did you only reply to this JC btw?

I think I have been kinda shadily poking at you and Im surprised that both:
* You havent adressed me
* Still maintain your vote on Seven despite what Wam claimed (and also ignored my ping suggesting that you should change your vote)

Hello Santy, I am comfortable with my vote where it's at.

[JC_DADDY25]

Can you answer the following three questions?

1) Do you believe Wam is town based on his claim or otherwise?
2) Do you believe his results are legitimate / non-manipulated?
3) Do you agree with the town slips from Madge and Fred? If not, which steps in the reasoning do you think either of them falls apart?

@JC can you answer these when you have the chance?
@Moody could you also answer these and lay out what your PoE is post Wam's claim?

1. Yes.
2. No.
3. No, it's easily faked with the right coaching.

[moody7277]

JC

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post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town

Here's where I left off last time with a rating of -0.5.

D1 rush
post 12: sad about Bessie's disappointment
post 13: wanted to ask wam about his reads post
post 14: correction to my interpretation about post 3, about who Fred wanted pinged
post 15: Glue votable
post 16: available for deadline
post 17: sus of Madge's lack of posting availability
post 18: promise of vote before deadline
post 19: votes heury
post 20: switches to Glue
post 21: doesn't like alternate wagon to Glue

D2
post 22: Wants to proxy for Mak, Seven votable
post 23: asking about cited post
post 24: Seven read independent of Glue flip
post 25: response to Fred about post 24

Normally I wouldn't be piqued by the metaphor, but with the flavor of this game...

post 26: response to Seven about Fred, says no connection with Glue, Seven still scummy
post 27: fluff
post 28: future meta spec
post 29: upset with Fred's lack of posting reads
post 30: Fred should post notes
post 31: wants bottom 3 from Seven
post 32: votes somi
post 33: somi vote based on Seven's bottom 3
post 34: somi subbing out
post 35: suggests Madge should vote

Still seems kind of go with the flow, and also a lot of focus on Fred.

D3
post 36: votes Seven
post 37: "because he's scum"
post 38: response to Santy wanting further explanation, says no point
post 39: j'accuse at Seven for NKing EGW
post 40: dismissive of Seven's claim
post 41: asks Madge about vig
post 42: solve is {Seven, Santy, Madge}
post 43: fluff
post 44: no gojoe
post 45: poke at Fred for wanting a sub
post 46: volunteers for Seven's solve, claims VT

bit of a gap here

post 47: Fred sus for not going through with D1 promise of reads
post 48: happy with vote
post 49: wam is town, results are wrong, townslips not real

Cynical view is saying JC and Fred are connected. I'm not entirely unconvinced of that, he's focused on Fred quite a lot while completely ignoring Thea and mentioning Madge only once. Rating -1, which means he's not the town among my 4 unknowns.

[JC_DADDY25]

JC

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post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town

Here's where I left off last time with a rating of -0.5.

D1 rush
post 12: sad about Bessie's disappointment
post 13: wanted to ask wam about his reads post
post 14: correction to my interpretation about post 3, about who Fred wanted pinged
post 15: Glue votable
post 16: available for deadline
post 17: sus of Madge's lack of posting availability
post 18: promise of vote before deadline
post 19: votes heury
post 20: switches to Glue
post 21: doesn't like alternate wagon to Glue

D2
post 22: Wants to proxy for Mak, Seven votable
post 23: asking about cited post
post 24: Seven read independent of Glue flip
post 25: response to Fred about post 24

Normally I wouldn't be piqued by the metaphor, but with the flavor of this game...

post 26: response to Seven about Fred, says no connection with Glue, Seven still scummy
post 27: fluff
post 28: future meta spec
post 29: upset with Fred's lack of posting reads
post 30: Fred should post notes
post 31: wants bottom 3 from Seven
post 32: votes somi
post 33: somi vote based on Seven's bottom 3
post 34: somi subbing out
post 35: suggests Madge should vote

Still seems kind of go with the flow, and also a lot of focus on Fred.

D3
post 36: votes Seven
post 37: "because he's scum"
post 38: response to Santy wanting further explanation, says no point
post 39: j'accuse at Seven for NKing EGW
post 40: dismissive of Seven's claim
post 41: asks Madge about vig
post 42: solve is {Seven, Santy, Madge}
post 43: fluff
post 44: no gojoe
post 45: poke at Fred for wanting a sub
post 46: volunteers for Seven's solve, claims VT

bit of a gap here

post 47: Fred sus for not going through with D1 promise of reads
post 48: happy with vote
post 49: wam is town, results are wrong, townslips not real

Cynical view is saying JC and Fred are connected. I'm not entirely unconvinced of that, he's focused on Fred quite a lot while completely ignoring Thea and mentioning Madge only once. Rating -1, which means he's not the town among my 4 unknowns.

If only you were right. Pretty sure you read me as non town in every game we've played.

[Santygrass]

Moody how does your rating system work?

[moody7277]

Moody how does your rating system work?

Technically goes from -10 to +10, but you'd have to be dead to get much above a 5 in either direction, plus is town, minus is scum, zero is neutral.

[Santygrass]

JC

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post 1: afk message
post 2: catching up message
post 3: sus of Fred due to him wanting to hammer Glue
post 4: thread progress slow
post 5: cont from post 4
post 6: asking Fred about response
post 7: asking Fred about further content from Glue
post 8: notes Seven's opinion of extensions
post 9: asking Fred about his "no NK" comment
post 10: follow up on question in post 9
post 11: Seven scummy, Fred/Glue connection, bessie, EGW, Mak town

Here's where I left off last time with a rating of -0.5.

D1 rush
post 12: sad about Bessie's disappointment
post 13: wanted to ask wam about his reads post
post 14: correction to my interpretation about post 3, about who Fred wanted pinged
post 15: Glue votable
post 16: available for deadline
post 17: sus of Madge's lack of posting availability
post 18: promise of vote before deadline
post 19: votes heury
post 20: switches to Glue
post 21: doesn't like alternate wagon to Glue

D2
post 22: Wants to proxy for Mak, Seven votable
post 23: asking about cited post
post 24: Seven read independent of Glue flip
post 25: response to Fred about post 24

Normally I wouldn't be piqued by the metaphor, but with the flavor of this game...

post 26: response to Seven about Fred, says no connection with Glue, Seven still scummy
post 27: fluff
post 28: future meta spec
post 29: upset with Fred's lack of posting reads
post 30: Fred should post notes
post 31: wants bottom 3 from Seven
post 32: votes somi
post 33: somi vote based on Seven's bottom 3
post 34: somi subbing out
post 35: suggests Madge should vote

Still seems kind of go with the flow, and also a lot of focus on Fred.

D3
post 36: votes Seven
post 37: "because he's scum"
post 38: response to Santy wanting further explanation, says no point
post 39: j'accuse at Seven for NKing EGW
post 40: dismissive of Seven's claim
post 41: asks Madge about vig
post 42: solve is {Seven, Santy, Madge}
post 43: fluff
post 44: no gojoe
post 45: poke at Fred for wanting a sub
post 46: volunteers for Seven's solve, claims VT

bit of a gap here

post 47: Fred sus for not going through with D1 promise of reads
post 48: happy with vote
post 49: wam is town, results are wrong, townslips not real

Cynical view is saying JC and Fred are connected. I'm not entirely unconvinced of that, he's focused on Fred quite a lot while completely ignoring Thea and mentioning Madge only once. Rating -1, which means he's not the town among my 4 unknowns.

Mostly curious to know from your post by post analysis which are the positives and which are the negatives, from my read it just seems like you just described the posts, and having trouble also where do you see the Fred connection as well