Are we human or are we dancer mafia (game over, Dancers win!)

[Seven]

I've low-key just fallen in love with Madge.

[madge]

got plenty of love to go around, are you gonna answer my question? check yes or no

[Theallieza]

Actually, I'd consider it essential that we get a full claim from everyone today.

Why?

Town power roles are false positives for Wam. The net benefit of being able to secure clear results outweighs the value of any PR remaining not claiming.

[madge]

not to give mafia advice but as if wam is living through the night, since nobody has claimed doctor (oh and fred if you're doctor, DON'T CLAIM, seriously at this poiint claim VT before u claim doctor)

[Theallieza]

Daily bark!

#1 and #2 are logical reasons to infer that I am/was gambiting, but are not reasons that support the idea that I am scum. #3 is not logical and contradicts your statement that I was looking for reactions. Which is it: am I trying to quickly eliminate you, or am I looking for reactions?

Your premise is incorrect. #1 and #2 are reasons I think you are non-town, i.e., scum.
#3 is a logical assessment that is supported from #1 and #2.
Both, You are looking for reactions from the players to gage if you an push a quick elimination of me.

I am skeptical that scum!Seven would feel the need to hard push for an elimination on you unless we are in LyLo. There are almost certainly many easier eliminations available, with lower risk consequences. This isn't really the kind of play Seven likes to make as mafia because he considers losing any of his teammates to be an unacceptable outcome.

Do you think Wam is lying? Are both scum?

@bessie

Without going into details.im happy the only way my result on Seven is wrong is if he's a godfather specifically aimed at my role.

Are you at all concerned that your claimed result “Seven is vanilla town” contradicts Seven’s direct and soft claims?

I find it very strange that "Seven is lying" was not a possibility that you seem to be entertaining.

Actually, I'd consider it essential that we get a full claim from everyone today.

I don’t support mass claims.

I know, but in this case I will have to insist.

[Seven]

got plenty of love to go around, are you gonna answer my question? check yes or no

Yes.

[Seven]

Actually, I'd consider it essential that we get a full claim from everyone today.

Why?

Town power roles are false positives for Wam. The net benefit of being able to secure clear results outweighs the value of any PR remaining not claiming.

The logic here isn't right. If there was a doctor, they would have been on EGW last night.

[JC_DADDY25]

The only wrong way to play Mafia is to deliberately sabotage your own faction. Let me play how I play.

My only issue with this, is that you changed your "style of play" and the way you post reads on day 2 after people kept asking about these reads that you were putting together during the day 1 phase.

You were the one who kept saying you were making progress, then you put up some list with negative numbers next to everyone's name on day 2 and said you came up with something different. It was pingy then and it's pingy now. Especially when you asked for a sub momentarily, and the way you're acting now.

[Theallieza]

Why?

Town power roles are false positives for Wam. The net benefit of being able to secure clear results outweighs the value of any PR remaining not claiming.

The logic here isn't right. If there was a doctor, they would have been on EGW last night.

I don't think there is a doctor, but I also don't think it changes the point (actually I think EGW was the doctor, such as it is, but perhaps I'll be proven wrong by one of the remaining claimants). There is no value in claim WIFOM at this stage.

[madge]

got plenty of love to go around, are you gonna answer my question? check yes or no

Yes.

do you like to be in love with people who hate ur guts because that is what the situation is rn

(for the record I do love Seven/etc in real life but in the context of the game right now I'm frustrated at her not answering my direct questions, and this is how I express it. I don't know if anyone picked up on this but i'm just a little bit theatrical)

[madge]

is Mak gonna be around today or do i have to decide something for myself?

[Seven]

Town power roles are false positives for Wam. The net benefit of being able to secure clear results outweighs the value of any PR remaining not claiming.

The logic here isn't right. If there was a doctor, they would have been on EGW last night.

I don't think there is a doctor, but I also don't think it changes the point (actually I think EGW was the doctor, such as it is, but perhaps I'll be proven wrong by one of the remaining claimants). There is no value in claim WIFOM at this stage.

I mean it completely nullifies your point. You're saying the advantage is that it prevents Wam from obtaining false positive results, but Wam won't be here to obtain any results.

[Theallieza]

The logic here isn't right. If there was a doctor, they would have been on EGW last night.

I don't think there is a doctor, but I also don't think it changes the point (actually I think EGW was the doctor, such as it is, but perhaps I'll be proven wrong by one of the remaining claimants). There is no value in claim WIFOM at this stage.

I mean it completely nullifies your point. You're saying the advantage is that it prevents Wam from obtaining false positive results, but Wam won't be here to obtain any results.

That's not the only advantage, no. There are others I can see but I don't think there's any value in discussing optimal strategies for mafia.

[Theallieza]

You think Scum!Seven is faking a invest result on you? Why?

Since Bessie has addressed this, I can feel free to give my opinion. Scum!Seven would know the only way they could convince town to elim Bessie is by giving a fake result against her. The fact Seven only claimed a N2 result is a bit pingy.

Okay, scum teams. My reads have been crap this game (followed two of my scummier reads to miselim twice), but based on them I would have {Fred, somi/Santy, Madge} or {Fred, somi/Santy, JC}. My townier reads are saying Seven is scum, so I have to decide if I put trust in them ahead of my own shaky impression of the state of the game.

I don't know what's worse, Seven just keeps doing that, or that it works just often enough that Seven feels justified doing it.

Unrelated, but I really don't like how moody reacted to Seven's claim. Kind of a weird, not wanting to take sides but also not really trying to see how it could be the case either.

[Freddino18]

not to give mafia advice but as if wam is living through the night, since nobody has claimed doctor (oh and fred if you're doctor, DON'T CLAIM, seriously at this poiint claim VT before u claim doctor)

madge, ffs, I already declared that I wasn't claiming. Besides, doctor slot was the stumper.

[Seven]

I don't think there is a doctor, but I also don't think it changes the point (actually I think EGW was the doctor, such as it is, but perhaps I'll be proven wrong by one of the remaining claimants). There is no value in claim WIFOM at this stage.

I mean it completely nullifies your point. You're saying the advantage is that it prevents Wam from obtaining false positive results, but Wam won't be here to obtain any results.

That's not the only advantage, no. There are others I can see but I don't think there's any value in discussing optimal strategies for mafia.

You don't have to say the other advantages, but can you state that removing false positives for Wam isn't actually an advantage? Otherwise it will drive me crazy and I will turn into a Dancer.

[Theallieza]

I mean it completely nullifies your point. You're saying the advantage is that it prevents Wam from obtaining false positive results, but Wam won't be here to obtain any results.

That's not the only advantage, no. There are others I can see but I don't think there's any value in discussing optimal strategies for mafia.

You don't have to say the other advantages, but can you state that removing false positives for Wam isn't actually an advantage? Otherwise it will drive me crazy and I will turn into a Dancer.

It is if Wam survives the night. If he doesn't, well, that gives us info as well.

[Theallieza]

I don't get the resistance to claiming that this forum has developed over the years. It's almost always to Town's benefit to be open with information. Refusing to claim until LYLO is massively anti-Town.

[Theallieza]

Unofficial VC:

Bessie (3):Seven, Fred, Mdage
Seven (2): Bessie, JC
Fred (1): moody
JC (2): Santy, wam
moody (1): Thea

Not voting: No one!

[Seven]

That's not the only advantage, no. There are others I can see but I don't think there's any value in discussing optimal strategies for mafia.

You don't have to say the other advantages, but can you state that removing false positives for Wam isn't actually an advantage? Otherwise it will drive me crazy and I will turn into a Dancer.

It is if Wam survives the night. If he doesn't, well, that gives us info as well.

To be clear, I am not arguing against claims. I am generally for claiming. Isn't the only claim remaining from bessie?

Your justification is so strange though. Most of us assumed Wam would be dying tonight. The fact that you're not assuming that is bizarre. Why do you think Wam will be living if a) everyone but bessie, Madge, and Fred have claimed VT, and the latter two have implied they are VT? And b) if there was a doctor, they would have been on EGW N2?

[Seven]

Is it that you made up a reason after being asked and didn't think it through fully?

[Theallieza]

Is it that you made up a reason after being asked and didn't think it through fully?

No. I am hedging against Wam being scum.

[Seven]

Ok.

[Seven]

@Thea what do you think of Madge’s slip in the world where Wam is scum

Can you answer this before day end in case you die and we don't have your voice.

[Wam]

Is it that you made up a reason after being asked and didn't think it through fully?

No. I am hedging against Wam being scum.

See kids this is why you shouldn't gambit so much as scum. No one trusts you when you're town.